Ranking of Vocalists

Vocal ranking of male and female idol vocalists

PLEASE READ BEFORE QUESTIONING/LOOKING AT THE CHART. Please do not repost chart without copying the background information. Don’t take the chart out of context.

Following is the ranking of idols and young vocalists that we’ve analyzed so far here at KpopVocalAnalysis. This list only includes idols who’ve debuted in 2014 or earlier. Idols who have debuted after 2014 were not analyzed due to the lack of material and the possibility of improvements happening shortly after the debut of an idol. Thus no debuts after 2014 shall be included in this chart. If a vocalist of any group that debuted in 2014 or prior is not present in this chart, that would be because their final rating would be at most average or due to lack of material for an analysis.

In 2013, we from KpopVocalAnalysis gathered together as fans, as vocal enthusiasts, and some of us as vocal instructors and vocalists ourselves to bring education and knowledge and to satisfy the curiosity of a community within a fandom. The following rankings we shall post have one thing that most others don’t have, hard work. Unlike what fans like to call the “opinion of experts,” mostly done by PD’s, Composers, and Music Critics, we have not only taken the time to listen to each single vocalist in these rankings individually, one by one, but we also have provided more than a simple sentence to describe how they use their voices/instruments. We have compiled a ranking system through our very own upbringing and learning process in order to properly categorize and find similarities between vocalists, technically.

Most other rankings take into consideration tone, emotion, and the individual taste of the listener. They normally don’t take the time to search through every vocalist there is and truly evaluate whether or not they’re truly good technical vocalists. Most of the time, these rankings aren’t even put together by vocalists or vocal instructors. So long story short: we have taken the time and consideration to give each individual vocalist a fair chance and listen through many videos and performances in order to fully understand how they utilize their voices. Our only aim was ever to teach and help each fan be aware of the truth behind the vocalists’ singing abilities. After working through more than 120 vocalists over the period of two years, we have gathered enough information to correctly categorize and rank them against one another. This list is not meant to be offensive. The criteria is not only attached to the rankings, but also to the main part of this blog. Each vocalist in the chart has been fairly analyzed before and if there are any questions as to why a vocalist is ranked as they are, the explanation is well within each vocalist’s individual analysis.

So after being able to finalize this big project and finally come up with a ranking chart and more than 100 analyses in the blog, we have reached our goal. To educate, to have a reliable source fans can rely on to find each and every vocalist they’ve ever been curious about and read about them all. Of course this is not the end of what we’ve started, many more vocalists will still be analyzed within the Korean music industry. So without any further ado, enjoy the rankings.

If there’s a question as to why a vocalist is ranked where they are, each individual vocalist in this chart has an analysis. So before calling anyone biased or before resorting to name calling, take the time to read these analyses carefully. If even after reading the analyses, there are questions and oppositions, don’t hesitate to maturely explain why you disagree with this chart. Keep in mind this chart is about VOCAL TECHNIQUE and vocal technique ONLY.

The rankings will be regularly updated as vocalists improve or regress.

LIST OF ANALYSES

Males:

Females:

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Last updated : December 25th, 2016

No change to be done as of: May 28th, 2017

Overtime, an Idol’s vocal technique may either improve or deteriorate, therefore this list shall be constantly updated when new material surfaces and significant changes are consistently seen in the vocalist’s technique. Also, when more detailed analyses are given on idols, an idol may no longer be on the list or my find himself/herself in a higher or lower position.

This ranking is not to be taken out of context or to be used in any sort of way for petty arguments between fandoms nor to create fanwars. It’s a ranking created in order to give a visual interpretation and summarize the overall idea of the blog with each vocalist’s rating compared to one another. It is not created to offend anyone and is to be taken as seriously as one might wish to and should not interfere with anyone’s choice as a fan or affect how you see your favorite singer.

Even so, we are very open towards opinions and suggestions. If you find that an idol is not in the correct position, or that somebody else deserves a spot and we didn’t list them, do let us know. Link us to the idol’s performance and we will analyze it. If your reasoning is proven we will alter the ranking. As with what we’ve mentioned before, this list will be updated regularly.

We would also like to remind you that the ranking is completely objective and is solely based on VOCAL TECHNIQUE. Emotions, stage presence, entertainment factor, tone will all be ignored as they are purely subjective. If you feel that your bias is an emotional singer, someone else may not. Things that are subjective cannot be used as valid reasons for an idol’s rank.

Please refer to our judging criteria here if you are unsure how we determine an idols rank. If someone is placed above another Idol, it usually means that they are a more consistent vocalist, have better and more developed placements and registers, and is more resonant than the people below them.

FYI

These rankings include idols and young solo artists only. This means vocalists like Sohyang, Park Hyo Shin, Naul, etc are not considered idols, therefore, they are not ranked.

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763 thoughts on “Ranking of Vocalists

  1. I think AOA yuna deserves an analysis too, sometimes she seems to be a stronger vocalist than choa but idk. What do you think of Hyejeong ? she’s actually not that bad

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  2. I’m so shock that Hyorin was decreases so much! And I thought that She is better than Taeyeon & Luna (I think way back before in 2013-2014 when I discovered this website LOL)

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    1. I would need more context. How long ago was that? Where did you see it? Because Taeyeon improved and if those were my thoughts prior to Wendy’s analysis, again they are just guesses. Pandayeu gets the final word since he analyzed them.

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  3. how would you rank Jihyo(Twice), Yuju, Seunghee (OMG), Seunghee(CLC) , Yeonjung(WJSN), Sejeong(Gugudan),Rose(Blackpink) and jinsol(April) overall based on their technique? and who do you think will have the most potential ?

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  4. I wonder if you have watch hidden singer IU’s episode where Shannon hitting the IU’s famous high note . I find it quite weird and unstable where IU’s is good? what do you think ?

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    1. Yes, we’ve seen it. IU’s high notes aren’t good, they’re just louder. Shannon’s are softer, headier, lighter, controlled. I don’t know what you consider “unstable” because there was no shaking, no wobbliness, no faltering in pitch. She just didn’t use throat tension, air pressure or volume to sing. She controlled her voice, differently from IU who yells with a lot of tension when singing those three high notes. IU is a lot less “stable” because her voice sounds like it’s about to crack from the excessive air and throat pressure.

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      1. I know but the thread is referring to a comparison between Shannon and IU so I thought you were saying IU is confident which is why she was louder than Shannon but like I still don’t know if confidence is why.

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    1. You should ask the people who say it, because I’m not them. There’s no way for me to know what they mean. Potential can mean being a diamond in the rough, showing natural talent but lacking refined skill.

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  5. Good morning admins!
    couple of questions if you guys don’t mind 🙂

    1) Yeonji is ranked slightly higher than Luna. From what I gather, despite luna having a semitone(?) lower in the lower range and a semitone higher in the upper range and D5/Eb5 compared to yeonji’s Eb5, it is because Yeonji has more consistent and bigger resonance than Luna and does better above her supported range(better placement and balance), at least in her mix. Is this somewhat accurate?

    2) for the proficient girls, is Eunji the one who does the best outside her supported middle register range? I know Taeyeon has some supported and resonant Eb5s here and there but mostly is just tight and strained whereas Eunji seems to be able to maintain some support on Eb5? Not enough to call them supported but the support is there somewhat, as well as very nice placement. Like her Eb5s don’t really sound bad, and her E5s aren’t that bad either? Wendy mixes well too so maybe her? I could be way off the mark, so please do correct me if I am mistaken 😀

    thanks!

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    1. Hey at least you know it’s morning lol
      1. Yes, better tone production, control and consistency sets them apart.
      2. Wendy mixes well but the tension is there, more so than Taeyeon for an example. As for Eunji, her mixing is nice but the tension is there on Eb5. But yeah their mixing in itself is better than other girls.

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  6. Just want to share a bit. I was once very judgemental about your blog here. I thought how can you rate a singer ? What the hell is vocal technique or does it even important. ? But time after time I finally start to understand what you are talking about , my ear begin to notice a singer technique level , what is the meaning of vocal technique and how it’s measureable & not just a bs.
    So i just want to say , keep up the good work

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  7. Kpop have many singer with good vocals, but for live performances, sohyang is the best kpop singer for me.,,she just not sing, but she also tell the song.,,
    from my observation, other kpop singer sing with good vocal just to show to the audience that they cang sing with high note,.,they can’t sing with tell the story n feeling of song..

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    1. Lol i think sohyang is too offensive as a singer , unless you are an opera fans , It’s difficult to really enjoy her singing.
      Kpop is like what it says , a pop music , pop = popular ,
      the singer doesn’t have to be highly technical , as long as their music are enjoyable then they are good enough.
      Personally i prefer vocalist in AA to P level. Since they have adequate vocal technique and also making easy-listening music

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      1. No offense but you just sounded a tad rude here. Offensive as a singer? Difficult to enjoy her singing? Well, you’re entitled to your opinion but it’s unfair to compare Sohyang with Kpop because she’s a gospel singer, not an idol. Kpop is the most internationally-recognized, but IMO, Korean music really have to thank these non-idols amazing technical singers as well because when I started listening to Kpop, I was under the impression that they really don’t care about singing talent whatsoever. At least a singer like Sohyang proves that Korea can produce immensely talented singers.

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    2. You are right.. Sohyang is the best technical singer from all the singers rated here, followed by jung dong ha. But let’s not forget, this list compiles Kpop idols/singers only, and sohyang isn’t really a kpop idol/singer. She’s a gospel singer. I love Sohyang too..

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      1. Kpop is more performance based , complete & complex performance which combines sing , dance , concept with modern instrumental as their music base..i don’t believe kpop idol are less talented. they are trained to do 2 things well together which is sing & dance and it isn’t easy at all to do. Ailee is an example of both good singer & good dancer at the same time. I don’t believe sohyang is more talented overally

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  8. Not kpop , but what rank lady gaga is ? I can’t explain in detail but i think she is at least good vocalist ? She is above Demi Lovato & adele imo. People overlook her singing skills Because of her controversial style but i think she is quite skilled vocalist. Am i right ?

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    1. Yes you are right. Please look through the comment section of other pages before asking because you’re not the first nor the last to ask. Also this question is kind of unrelated to this page. She would be a good to great mezzo soprano.

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  9. Hi, I see all your hard work in this blog and I don’t want to sound annoying but, do you think some members of Seventeen have potential? I know they’re very talented at producing, dancing and writing but i’m not sure about singing. How would you rank Seungkwan, DK, Woozi, Joshua and Jeonghan?

    Thank you for your attention and sorry for my bad english.

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    1. Your English is perfectly fine. I’m sorry but we won’t rate vocalists without an analysis but DK can support and Seungkwan can produce resonance so that means they’re skilled enough. Unfortunately they’re the only two members who can support so that makes all the other ones fairly less skilled.

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    1. Copy-paste:
      “I’ll answer only because I am somewhat familiar with her. Charice Pemepegco has matured into what I believe would be most likely classified as a mezzo soprano. She tends to sing with a lot of tongue tension and a pushed down larynx, even in her lower range. She’s had some nice moments of support even down to E3, but her mix becomes really throaty, shouty and pushed even around Bb4. I’ve heard some occasional good moments up to C5 perhaps when she was younger, but never consistently. Most filipina vocalists try to imitate western vocalists, particularly those of african american descent. They do it by pushing their larynxes down with their tongues rolled back, which makes their voices sound much thicker than they naturally are, so they sound forced and pushed. All this causes a lot of tension. Charice would not be rated anywhere above average if even that high. I’m not sure she’s even able to produce resonance without tension.”

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  10. I think I have said this before (or maybe not) but this is the best idea for a blog ever. Thank you so much for the hardwork. I know nothing of music and vocal technique, but through your blog I’ve been able to educate myself a tiny bit (really tiny bit xD) and I really enjoy reading your analyses.

    This chart is really useful, not to mention pretty 😉

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    1. A diferença é que são vozes diferentes. Um full lyric é uma voz exclusive para tenores e sopranos. Barítonos e mezzos só podem ser lyric, sem light ou full lyric. Grossa não é uma boa definição porque Full Lyrics tem um som maior do que o dos light lyrics, mas barítonos e mezzos podem ter voz leve, só que mais grave e que ficam numa região mais grave de alcance de notas. Por um exemplo, Junho e Key não barítonos de voz grossa, mas o John Park e o Hwanhee são. A diferença de um full lyric para um light lyric é o tamanho da voz, e a maturidade do som, um barítono e uma mezzo são realmente um outra categoria de voz. As vozes tem 3 grandes categories, mezzo, soprano e contralto, ou tenor, baixo e barítono. E aí além disso, eles tem sub-categorias como spinto, light lyric, full lyric, dramatic, leggero e coloratura. Dramatics e spintos também tem “voz grossa.”

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  11. I love this chart so much haha. I come back here occasionally when I’m too lazy to read an analysis over. It’s so convenient (and satisfying…)
    I always feel like I should be happy when some of my favorite idols are in average to above average but then I look up and note most of my favorites are actually in proficient and I feel sad for those average ones that I like lol. Hopefully the few stragglers in my bias list can make their way up there sometime! ;u;

    On the note of average though, I’m curious–by average is it kind of like average among most singers (within the world or kpop) or average among people in general? I’m assuming the former (considering that most people with no vocal training are weak (I’m pretty sure I read that somewhere?)). Like the ones who are in average are legitimately just the typical singer.
    Maybe you don’t even consider “average” to be correlated to the world of singers? Like it’s just a rating that’s not connected to the overall singer population?

    This is probably a dumb question, haha. And it’s probably hard to understand (sorry!) but I’m curious as to how you describe the average singers in that regard.

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    1. It’s average within professional vocalists, not average within normal people. Normal people are mostly weak vocalists, which is why all sub-vocalists from every group that I know of would fall under the weak rating. Because they’re not trained to be main vocalists, so they can’t sing like an averagely trained vocalist. Average in our rating could be associate with any contemporary vocalist, K-pop or not. No, your question makes perfect sense.

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      1. Oops, I totally forgot I asked this. Thank you for the answer! It was probably kind of a weird question. But I was wondering since I always feel like average is not that good, when in reality they’re still average within the professional vocalists >A<
        Thanks again ❤

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    2. So is Leo at the level of an untrained Mezzo who at least has some correct pitch trying to sing a typical Tenor/Mezzo song ? 😀 Oh, well he’s got clean legato, that’s better than most people

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    1. They’ve been asked about:

      “0:23 His breathing is a bit shallow, not that his tone production is shallow he just sounds like he is overcompensating air a bit much. 0:37 He does it too, but a bit more nasality is present. He’s also a bit tighter. 1:33 His F4’s aren’t badly placed. It’s hard to focus on their singing at times cause they all sing a lot together, so I can’t focus on individual vocalists. I’m not sure if it’s nerves but the airflow isn’t always even, I think it’s possibly nerves at times. None of them are completely incapable of supporting but this isn’t enough for me to have any conclusive opinions. 2:14 His Aye vowel closes his throat a bit and he pushes too much chest. 2:19 G#4, strained too chesty, too throaty. I wouldn’t say any of them are any better than average but also not any worse. Except for the pink sweater, he gets the most nasal out of them 4. I’m really not sure what to think of them just yet.”

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      1. Oh thank you, you aswered pretty fast. I have another question, do you think K-pop vocalist have to be more than A or AA to sing their songs? I mean, when I see Sohyang singing I think if it’s really necessary to have that technique, which level do you personally believe is enough in order to sing K-pop or even those covers on Immortal Song.

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      2. It’s too general of a statement to make cause K-pop is too broad of a genre. It could be anything so it really depends on the song.

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  12. I’d like to thank you for taking the time and going through all the hard work to make all these analyses!
    I do have one question though. Since you only analyze Main and Lead vocalists, when you categorize one as a “weak” vocalist, do you mean that they are weak in general or that they’re weak as Main/Lead Vocalists?
    Let’s take Jung-A for example, does her being weak mean she’s on the same level as idols like Juyeon or U-ie or that she’s weak compared to someone like Raina, an idol that shares the same position as her?
    Thanks!

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  13. I took the liberty of adding some idols that were considered not-worth-the-time to be analyzed (either beause they’re rappers or because they aren’t that great) using your ranking chart and various replies to comments on your other analyses as reference points. All of them are Lead Vocalists (but also rappers therefore making them unfit to analyze) or get lengthy parts of the group’s songs despite not being that competent.
    I don’t expect a full analysis of them and I’m sorry if this is a waste of your time, but could you possibly check my ranking and tell me if it’s accurate? I know you can’t be 100% sure unless you actually full-on analyze them but just a rough estimate would be more than great.
    Thanks a lot in advance, your work is always a pleasure to read!

    (added idols are signified by a *)

    1. Luna
    2. Taeyeon
    3. Hyolyn
    4. Raina
    5. Narsha
    6. Sunye
    7. JeA
    8. Yeeun
    9. Seohyun
    10. Jessica
    11. Minzy
    12. Gain
    13. Sunny
    14. Tiffany
    15. Soyou
    16. Soyeon
    *17. Sunghee (KARA 2007-2008)
    *18. Sunmi (Wonder Girls)
    19. Gayoon
    20. Min
    21. Krystal
    *22. Hyomin (-ara)
    *23. Areum (T-ara 2012-2013)
    *24. CL (2NE1)
    *25. Eunjung (T-ara)
    *26. Lizzy (After School)
    27. Jiyoon
    28. Bom
    29. Seungyeon
    30. Gyuri
    *31. Kahi (After School)
    32. Jung-A
    *33. Fei (miss A)
    *34. Suzy (miss A)
    *35. Nana (After School)
    *36. Kaeun (After School)

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    1. You’re not specifying ratings. I’d rather you give them ratings than putting them in order cause the rating is more general than putting them against each other. Sunghee and Sunmi seem unlikely to be average so I don’t know where they’d be or if they’d be higher than Gayoon. Honestly I can’t verify if this is right. Also why did you skip SO many female idols even though they’re still in groups?

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      1. Sorry, hope it makes more sense now:

        1. Luna – 4.5
        2. Taeyeon – 4
        3. Hyolyn – 3.5
        4. Raina – 3.5
        5. Narsha – 3
        6. Sunye – 3
        7. JeA – 3
        8. Yeeun – 2.5
        9. Seohyun – 2.5
        10. Jessica – 2.5
        11. Minzy – 2.5
        12. Gain – 2.5
        13. Sunny – 2
        14. Tiffany – 2
        15. Soyou – 2
        16. Soyeon – 2
        *17. Sunghee (KARA 2007-2008)
        *18. Sunmi (Wonder Girls)
        19. Gayoon – 1.5
        20. Min – 1.5
        21. Krystal – 1.5
        *22. Hyomin (T-ara)
        *23. Areum (T-ara 2012-2013)
        *24. CL (2NE1)
        *25. Eunjung (T-ara)
        *26. Lizzy (After School)
        27. Jiyoon – 1
        28. Bom – 1
        29. Seungyeon – 1
        30. Gyuri – 1
        *31. Kahi (After School)
        32. Jung-A – 1
        *33. Fei (miss A)
        *34. Suzy (miss A)
        *35. Nana (After School)
        *36. Kaeun (After School)

        What I did was basically add the ones I was interested about in the ranking based on hints you had provided at others asking about the same idols.
        More specifically, you said that Hyomin and Eunjung are both weak but Hyomin has a better techique than Eunjung, CL is better than Bom but still a weak vocalist, Lizzy is between Seungyeon/Gyuri’s & Krystal’s level, that Kahi is better than Jung-A but still not that great and lastly that Fei, Suzy and Nana are bad to (maybe) weak. I placed Kaeun under Nana (I actually found no mention of Kaeun so I took a risk with her as well as Areum being placed under Hyomin) and as for Sunghee and Sunmi you weren’t quite sure about them but said that they may be weak to average.
        I tried to read as many of your replies as I could to get as much details as I could, I’m sorry if I took something out of context.
        As for the others I skipped, I thought I would make it more complicated if I included the full list so I only kept the groups/idols I was interested about. I meant no disrespect of course, I recognise and appreciate all of their efforts.
        Again, sorry for dragging you into this and thanks for taking the time to reply!

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    1. Did you perhaps take the time to actually read her analysis before making such a confident statement? Because the analyses would say otherwise.
      https://kpopvocalanalysis.net/2016/10/23/alis-vocal-analysis/

      https://kpopvocalanalysis.net/2015/02/16/davichi-vocal-analysis-lee-haeri-newly-updated/
      https://kpopvocalanalysis.net/2015/12/25/shannons-vocal-analysis/
      https://kpopvocalanalysis.net/2016/06/02/csjh-the-graces-vocal-analysis-lina-newly-updated/

      You can first read the analyses, then you are welcome to explain exactly how Ali is better than any of the vocalists within the good rating. ^ ^

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  14. Just in order to have a better understanding of this ranking, which western female pop vocalists would you rank in the categories Average, Above Average, Proficient and Good?
    Sorry for the silly question but I don’t even know half of the people in here, so it could be easier to me to understand if I compare them to those who I know.

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    1. Well have you read the criteria page? That should give you a better understanding. Above Average? Not sure, perhaps Jessie J. Average? Perhaps Adele. Average to Above Average perhaps Ariana Grande and Demi Lovato. Proficient or Proficient to Good, Tori Kelly, Good or Good to Great Lady Gaga and P!nk, Great would be like Jojo and Excellent like Beyoncé. Weak would be like Selena Gomez, Taylor Swift, Sia, Christina Aguilera perhaps, on a good day maybe average.

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      1. why is ariana average to above average? can you tell me more? because from what i heard she’s the best vocalist in the industry as of the moment/? shouldnt she be like great or somewhat , by having the ability to whistle ? sorry if im wrong.

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      2. Being able to whistle is very irrelevant to one’s vocal ability. Simply being able to access that register means nothing if the vocalist, in this case Ariana Grande, sings often with a pushed falsetto, tight in the throat and with a high larynx when she can’t access her whistle. Not to mention the whistle is just one register, which does not excuse the straining that happens within the C5 ~ B5 range whenever she mixes in that range. I’ll copy paste the paragraph I wrote on her technique:

        “Ariana Grande
        D3 ~ E7

        Very considerable decline in vocal technique throughout the years. When she was 14 resonance, good placement and stable support were present up to about C5/C#5 and perhaps even higher as she aged, but throughout her days as a cast member of Victorious, she used a very shouty, nasally placed and uneven chest-dominant mixed voice, with lots of a swallowed tongue tension. This has been improved over the years, with considerable amount of support being brought back up into her mix and better tongue placement and mixing technique. However her voice still shows issues with tongue tension and nasality above B4, inconsistencies with support and placement and a high larynx above D5/Eb5. Support is only present up to B4 and down to F#3, however due to her nasality the support is the only thing that allows the voice to be well projected, lacking the full resonance in her chest voice and good placement. Her head voice is inconsistent and she mostly uses a falsetto, which often travels into the sixth octave instead of her whistle register, causing a lot of vocal strain. Often sings outside her supported range although possessing an extremely consistent high mixed range.

        Rating: Average or Average to Above Average Vocalist”

        She’s nowhere near being the best vocalist in the industry right now. We have vocalists like Beyonce, Lady Gaga and Jojo for that.

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  15. Wow, it seems like overall, Korean idols and non idols do a better use of their voices than American singers do.
    I haven’t done yet because this blog is so enormous and has such an interesting content so it takes time to read each and every alaysis so people can appreciate all your hard work.
    I discovered K-pop just a few weeks ago, and this blog yesterday, so which groups or soloist do you recommend me to listen to? I’m looking for those who are vocally talented, both boys and girls.

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    1. You should listen to Super Junior KRY, Spica, Mamamoo, EXO’s vocal line, Ailee, Shannon, Son Seungyeon, Sohyang, Lee Younghyun, Park Hyoshin, Naul, etc..

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  16. As for the new groups? Like Gfriend, Twice, Astro, Victon, Pentagon, Gugudan, SF9, Up10tion, Got7, Cosmic Girls, or those who debuted after 2013, which are the most talented? vocally speaking.

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    1. Uh…none of them have any vocalists rated higher than above average. Every sub vocalist of every group would be rated as weak, and some of these groups have mains and leads that would be rated as weak as well. I won’t say who, some others have average vocalists as leads and mains but that’s bout it.

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    1. Can she sing? Everybody can sing, but she has a lot of tension and very shallow support. I ask that you wait for a vocalist’s analysis to find out their final ratings since I don’t wish to guess ratings.

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    1. She’s the only vocalist we haven’t had the chance to analyze but were familiar enough to add into the chart. She will be analyzed by Pandayeu eventually.

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      1. I am sorry, but as this is our blog we will make executive decision on how we will run it without the approval of our readers. Yes, it may appear unfair, however she is 1 person. Very insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Also, it wasn’t as if her analysis wasn’t started it was just not finished. So any kind of issue you have…drop it. We are in charge of this blog we decide what we do with it, if you are unhappy then so be it nothing is going to change.

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      2. She’s the only vocalist in the chart not to get an analysis but it’s not like she won’t be analyzed, she just wasn’t yet. How’s that unfair? We know her well enough we just haven’t written it down.

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  17. Hello, why do you think that girl groups have on average only one average/above average vocalist? It’s usually 1 good vocalist out of 5/6/7 members. Do you think that’s good enough?
    I’m sorry if my question seems ignorant or naive and I guess the answer is quite obvious.. girl groups are not just about vocals and it all comes down to what’s more marketable. I just wanted to know your opinion on this because after seeing the female vocals ranking I got really discouraged because it’s always like: the good vocalist + other backup vocalists

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    1. That’s the same thing with guy groups as well. Rarely do any idol groups have more than one vocalist who’d be rated above average or higher. I don’t know what’s good enough honestly. It depends on their music, how much they challenge themselves. If their songs are full of strained high notes, it’s not enough because they’ll end up hurting themselves, but if their songs are fairly easy, like 2NE1 or BlackPink songs or IU’s own compositions, within a relatively narrow range, they won’t hurt themselves much so it should be okay. You don’t have to feel discouraged, this is why there’s a main vocalist, a lead vocalist and sub-vocalists.

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  18. Hi ahmin, just saying hi.

    I wanted to leave a positive thought. I used to think ”man, I hope this person improves and grows so they could climb the ratings”. I still think that for the weak to average and lower vocalists. For the A to AA and higher, I just think ”Man, I just hope they don’t regress”. Regression is the true enemy because finding the time to build consistent practice is tough. Ridding yourself of bad habits is tough. Seeing the maximum case of regression, Hyorin, was truly rough. There was a time where she was legitimately average to above average in support because she was having bad C5s for a short while. Honestly, when people see the rankings, I hope we can all think that those people don’t regress and stay healthy.

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  19. I am not the one who originally asked the ranking of these people, but I thought it would be cool if I give it a try.
    My ranking goes like
    Seunghee(oh my girl) I think her high notes are controlled and stable?
    Yuju(Gfriend) She strains sometimes and would be better if she could develop her lower notes better?
    Sejeong(gugudan) good at emotional singing but has a limited vocal range
    Yeonjung(wjsn) I don’t think there is a big gap between Yeonjung and Sejeong but Yeonjung strains quite a lot
    Seunghee(CLC) Her voice is pretty powerful, a little bit of control, high notes can be improved
    Jihyo(Twice) I find her pretty nasal breathing can be unstable at times, limited technique
    jinsol(April) She has a nice voice but her technique is limited, nasal high notes and not controlled
    Rose(Blackpink) I think she is also unstable and doesn’t have much technique
    Yebin(DIA) Can’t carry the main vocal position,no technique
    I can be very offtrack …. so please give me an idea if my ranking is alright? Thanks a lot 😀

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  20. Hey admins! I’d like to ask some questions!
    1. Do you can think any idols based on your observation who can potentially support(or even develop) whistle register?
    2. Does Jessica debuted with vocal ability higher from other member but just stay in place within the years of SNSD’s career or she’s improving but only a bit every single time? or even she’s regressed at some point? The reason I ask this is because I just recently discovered your blog so I don’t know her development is among those year she’s in SNSD(unlike Tae & Seo, who after reading their analysises I can tell that they keep improving & improving, or Fany who rather stay in place) & also cuz she has that “lazy” habit that makes me wondering if she improve, stay or regress)
    3. What rank do you think Perrie Edwards(Little Mix) & Ally Brooke(5th Harmony) would be?
    4. Is there any American/International male vocalist who falls under Excellent category? I read through your criteria page & you only mentioned female vocalist

    I hope this is not too much to ask! 🙂

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    1. 1. The concept of support in the whistle register is pretty arguable. The only idol who has been able to use it musically is Dia. Ailee and Wendy have shown the ability to access their whistle but not use it musically.
      2. She’s not regressed, she’s shown slow improvement and a stagnant state of development, so not a huge change over the reasons.
      3. I’m afraid I don’t know.
      4. Nobody we know of.

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      1. 1. What do you mean by arguable? Wendy has? wow I didn’t know, I hope she can improve & use it for musical purpose.
        2. Ahh that’s what I’m thinking. Because it seems to me like she didn’t move at all but I knew she improved tho just a bit & very slow unlike Tae or Seo.
        3. You really don’t know? How about if Taeyeon compared to them? Do you feel like they’re better or not?
        4. Really? So only female now? How about the one that falls under category Great?

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      2. 1. It’s arguable because theoretically disconnected registers like the whistle or falsetto registers can’t be supported because they’re disconnected.
        3. This is a Kpop vocal analysis website. I don’t follow little mix nor fifth harmony so yes really, I don’t know them well enough to rate them.
        4. We have some great male vocalists analyzed. I don’t know western ones.

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    1. I really liked Chocolat lol I like SHINee and SNSD, for their songs mostly lol I don’t think any member in matilda supports above B4.

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  21. Any chance you could make these graphics higher resolution? They’re very informative but I feel they’re small and not the easiest to read.

    Thank you for your time.

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    1. Have you tried opening them in a new tab? They’re actually huge files, the images are really big and you could see them in detail if you opened them in a new tab, I’m sure.

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      1. Ah I tried that, but it was still small. I’m not sure if it was my browser or wordpress, but it was artificially making the image smaller (604×1420) for some reason. I removed the extra code and it popped up quite large as you said. Thanks for the information.

        With that said, maybe you could actually hyperlink the pictures so that it automatically opens up the bigger image? I think that would help a lot, but that’s just my opinion.

        Thank you for your time! You do a great job here, as well as the other staff members.

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      2. You mean below the images themselves? Adding the hyperlink? I wasn’t aware that there was a problem with an extra code, how odd. Thank you!

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    1. You can’t lip sync on immortal song..
      Are you not familiar with Seventeen’s members at all? Could you be more specific with your question?

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  22. No, I am not. And I didn’t know they couldn’t lip sync D:, I’m sorrry.
    And I was talking about the two guys at the 4:02 minute and the one at the 3:11 who seems to be the cutest thing on this earth (?) xD. How did they in vocal terms?
    PS. Oh, also there’s one at 1:17, he sings a lot in that performance.

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    1. You should probably familiarize yourself with more aspects of K-pop and not listen to the crowd of fans that throw words like stable and lip synch around too easily. Lip synching happens on live concerts or weekend shows, but people don’t lip synch on King of Mask Singer, Immortal Song, Duet Song Festival, etc. Also Seventeen are quite popular and they’ve been asked about more than enough times on this blog that you could get a pretty good idea of their vocal ability from looking through the comment section of the blog.

      0:54 strained G#5 in a pushed head voice. 1:17 Joshua can’t support. 3:11 Yes Woozi is quite precious but he can’t support his voice either. 4:02 DK and Seungkwan, DK doesn’t support above F#4, Seungkwan may be able to support A4 but I mostly only hear him support up to G#4. I’ll copy-paste stuff that I’ve answered about them. Next time please look through the comments since it’s not like Seventeen is unknown or not asked about.

      “The gap between DK and Seungkwan is pretty noticeable. They both have support, they both have clean clear support in their voices, which already sets them apart from every other vocalist in Seventeen. None of the other ones can support almost at all, only DK and Seungkwan have that managed and learned. The difference between them is that DK sings within a narrower range and doesn’t usually mix very high. He stays within a pretty narrow range and tends not to strain too much because the higher notes are given to Seungkwan but in the following examples I’ll show you, you’ll hear the difference. The difference is DK seems to have a slightly better lower range than DK, with a bit more support but his support is indeed limited only up to F#4, above that he becomes tight, shouty and strained. Whereas Seungkwan maintains a lot more support and a better more opened approach up to F#4 and even above, up to G#4. Now that is also enhanced by the fact that DK is unable to produce resonance whereas Seungkwan produces it quite consistently. So the gap between them is pretty clear, Seungkwan has better technique than DK without a doubt. Now whomever you like more, that’s up to you and entirely up to you. People have some sort of problem with objectively saying someone is better than someone else and confusing that with liking someone more than someone else. If the other people you know like DK more, that’s fine. That’s a preference, not an objective acknowledgment of vocal skill and I hope you all know this.

      “I remember Ryeowook mentioned something about DK singing a part of the song correctly in pitch that Ryeowook couldn’t get right in studio. 0:40 that was a loud breath into the microphone lol It startled me a bit. 0:51 quick Bb2, not good but just noting. The rest is above F3, he sounds comfortable aside from some nasality. I hear some more airiness than before but it’s just for the sake of the song. 1:23 quick G4, tight. 1:27 that F4 was tighter than it needed to be. 1:30 his mouth is not opened enough, his jaw is locked and he’s not allowing it to drop to open up his singing more. His falsetto transitions aren’t bad, but there’s a noticeable drop in tone quality. His G4’s all sound tight throughout the choruses, which again isn’t news to me. 1:50 I hear more support here on those F4’s, 1:53 shouted but better jaw position. His pitch is more or less correct throughout. 2:41 2:43 2:44 he tries WAY too hard for those G4’s, they shouldn’t be as hard as he makes them sound like they are for him. He needs to relax and open up, those are just G4’s for him, that’s not supposed to be that difficult. This song has too many G4’s for him, that’s not song I’d like to hear from him. I’d rather hear Seungkwan singing this cause he could handle the G4’s. 3:45 That was really strained, he just shouted that Bb4. He knew though, that it wasn’t comfortable for him. The rest of the song he sounds tired like this song was a lot of work and he’s pushing his way through the rest of it.”

      “Seungkwan is singing in quite a comfortable range for him, 0:52 slight tightness around those G#4’s because of the vowel he was singing, but he sounds relaxed and supported throughout his part. Woozi sounds a bit too thin, a bit too airy. Even though he’s singing softly, he is using his throat a lot more than fully relying on his vocal cords in order to sing. I am not sure who’s singing the most in the chorus, but they’re singing up to G#4, I’m going to guess Seungkwan is the one handling it because it sounds like him. 1:49 DK sounds just fine as well for now, he sounds relaxed, this is a comfortable key where he can support comfortable. 2:11 and he used falsetto instead of mixing the G#4’s, which kept him from straining his voice in this range. Junghwan and Joshua also have the same issues as Woozi, with using their throats too much even within a reasonably low range due to lack of support. 3:08 his voice is kind of stuck in his throat and nose, which make him unable to project and maintain the pitch. 3:26 tension in this range, DK sounds tight up there above G4 but it’s not too bad. He likes to use his falsetto. 3:53 tightness on the Ee vowel, but that’s usual for most vocalists. 4:09 closed throat C5, very tight, high larynx. I mean reasonably speaking, within the lower part of the song, DK and Seungkwan did relatively well, Seungkwan can handle singing up to G#4. The rest of the members still lack true support, but that’s been established before.”

      “SeungKwan controls his voice really well when singing softly, that was pretty relaxed and stable, the beginning. 1:05 slightly tight in that part. That is a very comfortable one octave range, F#3 ~ F#4 for the most part, 2:19 A4 with some tension, he cracked shortly after so he might not have been well warmed up prior to this. He has very stable support throughout. 2:40 ish around that after, he has good placement. 2:50 good placement, but a bit pushed out. In the second clip he is singing airy and soft on purpose, but he is complete in control of his voice, he has very good pitch overall. His transitions into falsetto are nice too.”

      “Fifth time I’m asked about this.. lol
      I’ve seen this video before, it was shown to me. Both of them have very nice and forward tones, very nicely supported, some strain and tension happens in the higher parts but they can switch well enough into their falsettos. Their lower ranges are a bit overly quiet below E3 but they can carry some tone, they are at least average vocalists though so they’re definitely stronger than Kahi, Jungah or Lizzy.”

      I shall not reveal any ratings before they’re analyzed. Please check our future analyses list as well, since I believe Seventeen debuted in 2015, which means they could be analyzed in 2017.

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      1. Ohhh I think I’ve seen some comments about them but since I didn’t know them I just didn’t read them completely, then I discovered “Boom Boom” and I got interested, I didn’t even knew their names until you named them xD

        Who would you say is the third best vocalist in the group?

        Also, how can I recognize that someone is producing resonance?
        “A resonant sound is always going to be a projected sound, now resonance doesn’t mean loud, because a loud sound may still be pushed and strained. You may project but still have tension, but in true resonance tension should not be present.”
        I’m not sure how resonance sounds I mean, when I listen to Wendy I hear a big sound but I’ve read she doesn’t produce it. So the real question would be, how does resonance sound? I’m guessing is when the note sounds open and free, but I really don’t know.

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      2. Resonance sounds round, like there’s an internal echo in someone’s mouth that projects out. It sounds like it echoes and has layers of roundness. Wendy may project but her sound isn’t rounded out. I don’t know who the third best vocalist in Seventeen is.

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      3. It depends, I can’t speak for other people. For me it feels like my voice is really strong in my mouth and I feel like I can hear my voice hitting the walls and coming back to me.

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  23. Joy from red velvet has great growth since the debut so in about 2-3 years would it be possible to have an analysis of your technique? Even though you’re not a lead vocalist but you’re on lead vocalist level?

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    1. If she’s vocally skilled enough, but currently considering how Seulgi would be average, if Joy isn’t at least average to above average, she won’t be analyzed.

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    2. She has not shown great growth since debut. She essentially sings the same way she did when she debuted, therefore she will not be getting an analysis.

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  24. If you’re regularly updating this list, then are you including new artists as well? At the beginning of this posts it states that only 2014 and prior idols are included. But then it’s being updated so I just wanna know if newer artists are included. I’d really love to know if any members of iKON would make it on this list.

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  25. Just a small suggestion: maybe you should try a different theme color for the next chart. Reading the whole chart is very disturbing actually because the letters are like hidden under the image and the red color also makes it harder to look. The chart is awesome anw!
    Oh I forgot. In Slam Dunk’s sister 2, SM vocal trainer talked about Wendy’s vocal nodule and that she debuted with nodule. Is the nodule thing present when vocalists practice too much or strain high note too many times? Did Tiffany have the same problem too?
    And to improve vocalist’s technique, do they have to take a break/hiatus for vocal lessons or they can do comeback, go on schedule and improve at the same time? Since I feel like no idols seems to have any free time for vocal lessons even when they know they strain all the time.

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    1. You’ve provided no video link. Also just FYI YooA can’t support, so the chance of any note she sings being supported is very low. Also asking a question about 3 vocalists we have not analyzed in the Ranking of Vocalists page makes no sense, it’s easier for people to find questions and answers for these vocalists in the Future Analyses list.

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  26. i was amazed by your vocal analyses, but can i was curious about one thing. are u familiar with celine dion? is she just an average vocalist just like some say? (i saw your comment regarding western female artists so i wonder if u are familiar with celine dion)

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    1. Yes I am familiar with her. Thank you for your compliment btw. As for Celine, she produces resonance so she’s most definitely not average. I won’t give her a rating without analyzing her though.

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      1. Yes it can be exhausting lol I do believe it’s possible but it would really depend on how she redevelops her vocal habits.

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  27. Just as a question to the admins that I’ve been curious about for a while: Does an artist’s lack of vocal technique prevent you from enjoying a song? I only ask because if I were that knowledgeable about singing in general, I would probably be criticising singers, intentionally or otherwise. Thank you for all of the hard work you put into this blog! It’s greatly appreciated and as an avid music lover (and 24/7 singer), it’s always so interesting to hear about your opinions.

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    1. Not in studio most of the time unless they’re singing with a LOT of tension throughout a song. But if it’s a fairly simple song and it’s a studio track, I can enjoy it. Live, maybe not so much. I’m glad you like it! ^ ^

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  28. I’m just gonna be a little skeptical– how much did you listen to each singer’s voice? Did you only listen to title songs? Do you take into account maybe covers the singers have done of other songs (not all idol-y songs show the depth and breadth of a person’s vocals) I think you should tag what videos you used of their singing to come up with your results. Some of your rankings just don’t make sense when I think about certain vocalists on here.

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    1. I don’t mean to be rude but it feels like you are asking your question without looking at the whole of this blog at all. We don’t listen to title songs only, if you take the time to look at the individual analyses written for each individual vocalist, who each have links of the live performances used to analyze the vocalists you’ll see that at least for my personal analyses, there are more than 30 live performances of different songs for each vocalist from TV programs that include King Of Mask Singer, Immortal Song 2, Radio Tv Shows, Picnic Live, etc. All of these include solo songs, covers and title songs performed in very different environments. So again I don’t mean to be rude, but you being skeptical without going through the blog and reading the post above the charts and looking at the analyses doesn’t make sense to me personally, because had you read one or two analyses, you’d see your question would’ve been answered. So yes we use covers, and we DO link the performances and we have analyses on each vocalist so whoever you’re questioning, you can read their analysis and you’ll find out all the answers in the analysis. If you still feel skeptical because of specific vocalists that you might disagree with, after reading these vocalists’ analyses of course, Id be more than happy to clarify anything that’s not clear. ^ ^ Do you mind if I ask who and why?

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      1. I did in fact just see that you all do take into account different live performances. I hope I didn’t come across as offensive (when most ppl reply with, “I don’t mean to be rude,” they do, in fact, mean to be rude). It wasn’t my intention to come across in an offensive way.
        I’m still unsure about the rankings of a few people, but I will read your analyses in full first before I ask specifics.

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      2. It’s not that it was offensive, it’s just that it can be a bit tiring after doing this for years when people say they don’t agree with the analyses but all they do is look at the ratings and ignore the actual content of the analyses. So I hope you understand why this kind of question just makes me a bit tired of explaining that over and over. Actually I try to be careful with my words so I did not mean to be rude lol So it’s fine to disagree as long as it’s done after reading and with good examples and reasoning, it’s just most of the time people don’t even try to read… but thank you for your compliment! I am still quite curious as to what vocalists you’re referring to though.

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      3. I also want to say that I have a lot of respect for what you do since you take the time to reply to every comment and go very in-depth with your analysis!

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      4. Well as it says at the bottom below the ranking, it’s from December 2016 but there haven’t been any changes that would require an update for any of the vocalists, as far as we are aware.

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      5. Nevermind. I just read the rules and everything is purely technical. Sorry for questioning you!

        I am curious though– based on tone, originality, and vocal color, and technique collectively–how would you personally rank them (maybe do a top five-ten for males and females)?

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      6. Well you can’t because vocal color/tone will then be based on nothing objective. It will just be my personal preference which can’t be something to base a ranking off of. Technique is the only thing that’s not a personal preference. Again who did you have in mind?

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      7. You’re still not answering my question lol I don’t think I can answer with a combination of personal preference and technique. It’s either one or the other. My personal favorite voices are listed on the team page..”Favorite voices in K-pop: Junsu, Donghae, Tiffany, Onew, Sunye, Daesung, Suhyun, Changsub, G.NA, Jieun, Baekhyun, D.O., Bernard Park.”

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      8. I just meant some people base all their personal preference on technique and other don’t consider technique at all in their personal preferences. For instance– I pay attention to tone and emotion over technique when I decide my favorite singers, but others allow technique to take precedence over any other criteria.

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      9. Well this isn’t a ranking of “my favorite singers.” This is a ranking based on vocal technique only. This has nothing to do with who my favorite singers are, because favorite = personal preference. Who I like isn’t necessarily someone good at singing and someone who’s good at singing isn’t necessarily someone I like even though I might acknowledge that they have good technique. So don’t get me wrong but you’re confusing things here. None of us use technique to choose our favorite singers, it may be a reason we like a vocalist but it’s definitely not the only reason.

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      10. I think that you are confused by my intent– I wasn’t asking for you to turn this blog over for your personal preferences. I was honestly curious about your own personal favorites (no longer talking about the technical ranking list above). But thanks to you, I did look at the admin page and saw who your favorites are. I like Shinee too and I am happy that you also consider Destiny’s Child one of your favorite groups.

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      11. Wait but I copy-pasted my favorites didn’t I? I thought I did.. oh yes see yeah and that’s completely based on my love for their music and it’s irrelevant to their vocal ability. So are you going to answer my question now?

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      12. I’m a little curious about Hyolyn. I have been a fan of her since Sistar’s debut but have noticed a real decline in her capabilites. I’m not classically trained or anything– I just love music, but her throat just seems to be in really bad shape. I came on here mostly to see how she would be ranked and I was a little surprised (but happy I guess) to see her as high as she is. I already visited her specific page and saw that you answered questions about her recent performances. I think she has been sounding better, but I don’t know if she will get back to where she was. I was just wondering why she is as high up as she is (I’m her fan, just trying to be objective cause I’m getting scared by how her voice has changed for the worse).

        I was also shocked to see Taeyang above V and even Jungkook in the ranking. But I’m not classically trained and this was before realized the rank is 100% technique. But even then, I’m confused at how Taeyang is higher in rank. I know it’s not a competition against one another and just a ranking based on individual technique, but if you don’t mind explaining, that would be appreciated. I hope I’m not being annoying lol!

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      13. It’s all explained within her analysis but basically 2014 was her peak where she was a “good vocalist” but then she declined shortly after and went as low as to borderline above average. But she healed and got better but not as good as she once was. Well this isn’t a classical training ranking anyway. It’s not a huge difference, Taeyang Just has moments of slightly better support and he’s more consistent, again it’s not a huge difference. You’re not being annoying! But what exactly about Taeyang makes it weird?

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      14. Well did you read the analyses? Yeah I figured Taemin was one, people usually question him. K.Will sings with a lot of tension, he squeezes his throat a lot and has a lot of tension whereas Taemin has a lot less issues with vocal strain and his technique is healthier. His vocal tract shaping is a lot more relaxed.

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      15. Taeyang is just so whiny and nasally. Why doesn’t that knock him down more? I guess my question is, why do these issues not hold more weight in affecting his rank? I can understand Jungkook, but how does Taeyang have more support than V?

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      16. Nasality isn’t aesthetically pleasing but it’s also not unhealthy. It may not be pleasant to listen to, but it doesn’t hurt him. Support comes from being relaxed and when your vocal cords aren’t fully connected, you can’t produce a fully supported sound. Not to mention tension. Taeyang has just the same issues most of these vocalists have but he has a reasonable range where he’s able to maintain some support and his vocal cords are connected, V is very inconsistent with being properly connected. He’s not as nasal but that’s a placement thing, not a support thing. You’re correct though, the whininess isn’t technically good but it’s not linked to support as much as it’s connected to support.

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      17. *oops, i replied to the wrong comment above:*

        Okay… I see. This technical stuff is exhausting! Thank you for being patient with me and answering my questions!
        One more thing– is it possible for Hyolyn to ever get back to where she was? Is it possible to progress that much after damage?

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