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This blog was made with the intent to share knowledge and share vocal analyses from different vocalists in K-pop. Nobody in the blog is a hater or an anti-fan. The analyses give positive and negative points and are all constructive criticism, nobody is telling you to hate or not listen to your favorite idol vocalist. We’re only letting you know what their vocal skill based on what vocal technique and music theory is from a musically professional standpoint. If you’re confused about rankings, categories and such, click the about and our criteria page. This post will also include the information existing in that page if you’re unwilling to click through just click read more. Otherwise click About & Our Criteria and most questions should be answered. We try to back up all our points with substantial evidence from the singers’ performances, we thoroughly listen to their performances from past and present. No one in this blog claims to be an expert, we’re all learning and everyday we learn more and more, just as we respect your opinions, please respect ours, which were influenced by the knowledge we have and the way we’ve been taught. Thank you.

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This blog is dedicated to compile vocal analyses done by our contributors in order to satisfy everyone’s curiosity regarding their idols’ vocal. The analysis will be based solely on VOCAL TECHNIQUE, not tone, timbre, emotions, stage presence, etc.

The analysis might change according to their latest performance.

If you would like your idol to be analyzed feel free to drop the question in the comment box. If you feel that the analysis is not accurate, you could suggest a video or recording and give us the reasoning behind your disagreement. We will gladly alter the vocal analysis page of the respective idol if your reasoning behind it is proven.

Comments will be moderated. Constructive discussion are welcome. Bashful and hateful comments will be deleted. Every idol mentioned here are talented in their own way. Even so, we are focusing solely on their vocal capabilities and we try our best to give an objective analysis regarding the matters.

So far, we will use this system as our judging criteria. We will elaborate more once it’s established. It goes from best to worst.

TERMINOLOGY

Tones/Semitones/Notes/Key
A key of a song means within the key signature of the song. There are 12 notes in total, C C#/Db D D#/Eb E F F#/Gb G G#/Ab A A#/Bb B and back to C, completing one full octave. A tone is from a note up two semitones, so the distance between C and C#/Db is a semitone, whereas C and D are a full note apart. A major Key will follow a tone tone semitone tone tone tone semitone pattern, so C major is C D E F G A B C. Although there are no sharps or flats between E and F or B and C, they’re a semitone apart. # stands for sharp and b stands for flat and whether or not you name a note sharp or flat depends on the key, i.e. C# major and Db major are the same key with different names, C# D# E# F# G# A# B# C# and Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C Db, on a piano the same notes are played, just with different names.

Intonation
Being able to stay in pitch and in key. Good intonation means not going sharp, flat or singing a note that isn’t within the chord progression and/or key of the song. Going sharp means slightly above the pitch but not really hitting a note above, so like a note in between C and C#, and flat means a note that’s slightly below pitch, so a note in between C and B, for example.

Larynx Position/High Larynx/Low Larynx/Neutral Larynx
The larynx is the part of the body where the vocal cords are located. The vocal cords are very small and are divided into two parts that vibrate against one another in order to create sound. The speed of the vibration generally determines the pitch someone sings in. Much like tuning a guitar, the more stretched the vocal cords are and thinner they become, the higher the pitch and the thicker they are, the lower the pitch is. In order for a note to be hit, one should have a relaxed opened sound in the larynx, without any restrictions from the throat muscles. If the larynx is pushed down, it creates a froggy and fake “soulful” tone, if it’s pulled up, it creates a thinner, squeezed and tight quality to the voice. The natural state of the larynx is being neutral when it’s relaxed, if it’s forced either up or down, that means the muscles in the throat are creating tension and the larynx is trying to reposition itself in an uncomfortable and unnatural position to hit notes that are not within the individual’s supported range. 

Tonality/Tone Production
The way tone and sound is produced through good support. The voice comes out stable, without any laryngeal restriction nor tension, tone is clean and has the true sound of the individual’s voice type, without an uncentered pitch, excessive breathiness, nasality and tension.

Vibrato
The shift between two notes rapidly within, normally, a sustained note. The difference between the notes is usually less than a semitone. A forced throaty vibrato is usually produced artificially by using the throat, instead of the natural vibrato that comes out once the vocal cords are relaxed with good breath support.

Stability
The stability of the voice, meaning it’s not off pitch and it doesn’t sound wobbly, shaky and unsupported.

Registers
Chest voice, lowest range. Head voice, highest range. Mixed voice, the belting area of the voice.

Support
How the individual vocalist uses their correct breathing technique with the diaphragm to better support, project and hold their voice together.

Placement vs Resonance vs Projection
Resonance is the optimum sound a vocalist should focus on when singing. It is a full, clean and round sound that won’t sound thin, constricted or small. A vocalist who’s resonant will use different types of placements, i.e. their voice will be placed either in their chest, head or mask (cheekbones area, not nose) to project their voice, in each individual register. A vocalist may be able to be resonant in their mixed voice by normally placing their voice in their mask with chest resonance, or as they go higher, with head resonance. A resonant sound is always going to be a projected sound, now resonance doesn’t mean loud, because a loud sound may still be pushed and strained. You may project but still have tension, but in true resonance tension should not be present. Resonance is produced when the vocalist is able to support their voice. In other words, they have developed vocal cords that are able to connect fully in a healthy manner, without breathiness coming between them nor too much constriction, against the right amount of air pressure. Then the supported sound is enhanced with the proper placement of sound, while keeping the soft palate lifted, the larynx position not high, the swallowing muscles, jaw, tongue And throat relaxed and the jaw dropped so as to amplify the sound of the voice. The combination of an open throat, support, relaxed singing and proper placement is what creates healthy resonance in singing.

Vocal Range vs Supported Range vs Tessitura
Vocal range means the individual’s lowest singable note to the individual’s highest singable note.  A tessitura will depend on the individual’s voice type and where their voice sits most comfortably, shines the most and could project the best. A supported range includes notes outside the tessitura where the individual’s voice type may not be naturally inclined to project well in, however so due to the vocalist’s own ability, they’re able to still maintain tone production, support, projection and stability. e.g In classical music, sopranos’ tessituras are something in between A3/C4 to  A5/C6, however in contemporary music a soprano singing as high as C6 is very uncommon and unnecessary; a contemporary soprano, for an example Luna, is able to keep resonance consistently up until Eb5, which is almost ideal for a soprano who should be able to carry that resonance up until A5 without a problem. However so she’s also able to sing down to G3 with correct support, which although is outside her voice type’s natural tessitura, she’s still able to keep support and projection down there.

Musicianship/Musicality
Musicianship is the act of changing any song given to you and making it your own, usually on the spot. This includes melodic changes, rhythmic changes and added embellishments. Musicality is the act of interpreting music correctly according to each individual genre of music, by adding the correct use of vocal effects (e.g. raspiness, breathiness, growls, vocal runs, vibrato) and playing with the song musically by adding dynamics (e.g. singing softly, loudly, powerfully on the right moments of each song).

Passaggi/Vocal Bridges
A passaggio or a vocal bridge is an area of the voice where one’s voices transition naturally from one to the other in the modal register. Usually for males, the distance between the first passaggio, from chest voice to mixed voice, and the second passaggio, from mixed voice to head voice, is only about a 4th apart, whereas for females it’s about an octave apart. Passaggi are important for one to be able to tell what someone’s voice type is. A register break or the highest note you can sing in your chest/mixed voice before transitioning into head voice is NOT your first passaggio. The first passaggio is a note in your range where your voice naturally feels a switch of muscle coordination in your vocal cords. That doesn’t mean you can’t bring a chest dominant or balanced mixed voice above your first or even second passaggio. Lyric tenors usually have their passaggi around D4/Eb4 and G4/Ab4, whereas lyric baritones have their passaggi at B3 and E4. Lyric sopranos are usually at F4/F#4 and F5/F#5.

Legato/Staccato
A musical phrase usually will last a couple of bars. During a phrase, the melody may be played/sung smoothly connected without every note sounding chopped up, whereas staccato means emphasizing every single note separately with minor less than a second breaks in between every note. Legato is the most basic form of singing through correct breath control and support.

Agility
Vocal agility is an embellishment and it means, being able to sing many notes accurately and quickly, by separating each individual note while still being able to connect them within one sung vowel. Those are usually called melismas or vocal runs.

CRITERIA

Excellent Vocalist

  • All three registers are developed
  • Supported as close as possible from their highest to lowest extremities
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for sopranos falls somewhere within C3 ~ E3 (or lower) and G5 (or higher)
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for mezzo-sopranos falls somewhere within Bb2 ~ D3 (or lower) and F5 (or higher)
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for tenors falls somewhere within F#2 ~ A2 (or lower) and C5/C#5 (or higher)
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for baritones falls somewhere within D2 ~ F#2 (or lower) and A4/Bb4 (or higher)
  • Within their Voice Type’s tessitura they are consistently resonant
  • Complete support in the middle register and lower register
  • For females head voice must be completely resonant at will; for males head voice must be completely supported
  • Connection in the voice with no noticeable breaks when transitions are being made
  • Agility is present and pitch is controlled with good separation between individual note, potentially very complex runs are done from the bottom to the top of their ranges
  • Musicianship the ability to change a song and make it their own and Musicality having complete control over the voice in any given genre
  • Almost perfect intonation
  • Tonality is almost never lost

Great 

  • Developed registers, but one register may be lacking in development
  • Optimal resonance is achieved on a regular basis
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for sopranos falls somewhere within F3/F#3 and F#5/G5
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for mezzo-sopranos falls somewhere within Eb3/E3 and E5
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for tenors falls somewhere within A2/Bb2 and B4/C5
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for baritones falls somewhere within F#2/G2 and G#4/A4
  • Support is present in all registers, but maybe not to their lowest and highest extremes
  • Within in their voice type’s tessitura they are resonant and well projected, but not as resonant and well projected as Excellent vocalist
  • Connection in the voice with no noticeable breaks
  • Agility is present and pitch is controlled with good separation between individual notes
  • Great interpretation skills (Musicianship), but Musicality may not be as finely tuned as Excellent vocalist
  • Intonation is almost perfect
  • Tonality is almost never lost

Good 

  • One very well developed register or two well developed registers, with the others either being Average or Above Average
  • Able to sing through their first passaggio and second passaggi with support and resonance, and above
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for sopranos falls somewhere within F#3/G3 and E5/F5
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for mezzo-sopranos falls somewhere within E3/F3 and D5/Eb5
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for tenors falls somewhere within Bb2/B2/C3 and Bb4/B4
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for baritones falls somewhere within G2/G#2 and F#4/G4
  • Optimal resonance often present, but is not always achieved
  • Within their vocal type’s tessitura they are resonant and supported, but tonality can be lost at times.
  • Connection between registers is not always present
  • Some agility, but runs and transitions are not always controlled
  • Interpretation skills are present, has show musicality
  • Good intonation rarely goes off
  • At times can lose tonality by rarely does

Proficient 

  • One well developed or two/three somewhat developed register well balanced
  • Able to sing through their first passaggio and second passaggi with support and resonance
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for sopranos falls somewhere within G#3/A3 and D5/Eb5
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for mezzo-sopranos falls somewhere within F#3 and C5/C#5
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for tenors falls somewhere within C3/C#3 and G#4/A4
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for baritones falls somewhere within G#2/A2 and E4/F4
  • Consistently supported within their supported range
  • Resonates at times, but optimal resonance is not a regular occurrence
  • Connection between the registers is not present
  • Intonation is not perfect, off-key moments happen at times
  • Good tonality isn’t always kept, strain and tension are apparent at times

Above Average

  • One somewhat developed register with the others being average or weak
  • Able to sing through their first passaggio with consistent support and possible resonance up to their second passaggio
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for sopranos falls somewhere within A3 and C5/C#5
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for mezzo-sopranos falls somewhere within G3 and B4/C5
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for tenors falls somewhere within D3 and G4/G#4
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for baritones falls somewhere within Bb2/B2 and Eb4/E4
  • Inconsistent with resonance
  • Even in their supported range strain and tension can be present
  • Nasality can be present within the voice at times
  • Intonation issues can be frequent

Average

  • No register is developed considerably well
  • Able to sing through their first passaggio with adequate and consistent support
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for sopranos falls somewhere within Bb3 and Bb4/B4
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for mezzo-sopranos falls somewhere within G#3 and A4
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for tenors falls somewhere within Eb3 and F4/F#4
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for baritones falls somewhere within C3/C#3 and C#4/D4
  • Inconsistent with support, and if at all resonance, even if occasional resonance has happened
  • Good tonality is not present at all times, nasal placement is normally used
  • Frequent intonation issues

Weak

  • No developed registers
  • Unable to sing through their first passaggio with adequate and consistent support
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for sopranos falls somewhere within B3 and G#4/A4 (or less)
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for mezzo-sopranos falls somewhere within A3 and F#4 (or less)
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for tenors falls somewhere within E3/F3 and Eb4/E4 (or less)
  • Range wise, supported range without head voice for baritones falls somewhere within C#3/D3 and B3/C4/C#4 (or less)
  • Very inconsistent with support, strain,no resonance
  • Good tonality is not present
  • Out off tune singing is frequent

FYI, Among K-POP idols there is NO ONE who is considered Excellent/Amazing/Fantastic vocal-wise. They are Great/Good at best.

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9,532 thoughts on “About & Our Criteria

  1. I’m sorry for asking such a random question but can anyone tell me who the vocalists at the top of every page are? I only recognise Baekhyun(?),Taeyeon, Kyuhyun and Hwanhee. Thanks!

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      1. oh, thanks. since you mentioned pushing, btw, is there a difference between tensioned without support and tensioned with support? if so, then which of the two would be jinho’s G#4?
        i ask that because as i’m practicing with your support videos, i notice that the sound and the origin of the voice with and without support are completely different. as such, when i’m warmed up i can support as high as F4, but to go up to F#4 i feel like there’s an extra effort and the note usually sounds a bit “strong” but it’s not uncomfortable at all. it’s still different from when i can’t go up to G#4/A4 in the “supporting register” so i have to change the sound to the throat and even the volume changes absurdely and i can immediately feel the pressure on my throat, so i was wondering if it’s correct to say that the first one, even if i’m pushing the last notes it’s still somewhat supported.

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      2. I’d say that his was pushed with more tension than support. It wasn’t absent of support, but the tension was more prevalent than the support behind it. So yes it’s possible to have degrees of support. It’s not all black and white, things fall on spectrums.

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      3. Aah, so you can be pushing real hard but still have some support eventhough its much smaller than the push? I maybe doing this all the time…

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  2. Hello. I know that you usually don’t do western artists but since this has been a topic of such split opinions I really wanted to get a more professional view of it.
    Could you please be able to give an overview of this live cover performqnce at the AMAs? Thanks a lot in advance! And sorry for any inconveience

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    1. I’m sorry, but even though I’ve already watched the whole performance your question isn’t specific enough for me to bend the rules. An overview is too general. I don’t know what split opinions you’re talking about as well, as I’ve pretty much seen a consensus of facts vs fans sugarcoating if anything, but it’s not day and night in terms of how well she did split by the opinions of half of the people watching. So…yeah, I’m sorry I don’t mean to sound harsh but it’s just I don’t want to get ourselves involved in this without a good reason. What I can say is that Christina performed this just as she’s been performing everything for the past few years, there was no surprise at all. Her technique is the same as it’s been for quite a while.

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  3. Do you think there are any rappers in kpop who are mentionable as also good vocalists? And if yes who? Since there are some who are rappers but also do sing a lot

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  4. Ahmin, I know you don’t analyze western vocalists, but I have a specific question about something. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKZVGmD22Ak at 9:52, Elvis hits a C5 in chest mix. And he is, as far as I can see, a baritone with pretty good low notes.

    I wanna know, were those C5s in this video healthy or not? Is there a way for a baritone to hit a healthy C5 without using head voice or falsetto? Or do you think it’s not possible without using a damaging technique?

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  5. Hi Ahmin! I’ve been wanting to know how ok my registers are and I’ve been anxious if I’m doing a good job or not. If possible, could you also tell my voice type so that I can sing songs with the right ranges that aren’t damaging to my voice? Thank you!!
    Upper/Mixed: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Yxi09WCNyvdI2Zqg3Vwd5xGjs4otFpUV (
    https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UAlPq8bWIj-Y5_9NzPRZJ0G59fSLX7mG
    Middle/Low: https://drive.google.com/open?id=14uYA06c9t070YYSKPJxpeyoEfk_Rx33L (The fry was intentional)
    Lower: https://drive.google.com/open?id=14uYA06c9t070YYSKPJxpeyoEfk_Rx33L (How was the descending (run?idk)?
    https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jBmagsxCsMzxoF2p-ELfK91SxgEyyYWk
    TBH I don’t know if I’m a high baritone or a tenor with a low tessitura.

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    1. Haven’t I mentioned to you before what your voice type is? Also this isn’t the first time you send me a recording, so why are you nervous suddenly? haha Unfortunately I don’t have access to these files, so until you allow me access, I cannot answer.

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    2. I don’t mind the way you’re singing “I’d be eternally grateful holding you so close” part but the rest…might be a bit high for you and you’re just pushing through it. I would really suggest not belting songs if you’re not ready to sing those parts first softly. If you can’t sing in a soft mixed voice without pushing so hard, then you probably need to re-work on how you stretch your vocal cords cause this is just pushing air. I would really not suggest singing Mariah Carey songs. I hear a slight tongue tension throughout, it’s a bit of an accent. “You’re treating” “Sweet destiny” “Pray through the night” “I once as lost but now I’m found, I got my feet” “If you believe within your soul just hold on tight” I hear it throughout those parts, most of the time it seems to be engaged by the way you overly pronounce R’s.

      Middle, throughout the first Middle audio. I hear it throughout there. It’s kind of an indie diction thing. You sound very relaxed throughout some of these mid rangey parts. “way past the point of breaking but I can’t take it” there is a lot of tongue there, it sounds birdy for lack of a better explanation. G#2 “this is” yes I hear fry. You have a lot of chest voice which is good for you. Both Middle audios are the same.

      Your runs aren’t bad, but they could be clearer, it feels like you’re shaking the sound a bit but you are separating notes and they’re fast. You should slow it down just a tad and then try again cause it really isn’t bad.

      Honestly I thought you were a tenor and it is possible you are one, but with the way you sing it’s hard to tell because of how you manage your air and how you shout in the higher mix area of your voice. You could be a baritone who’s good at shouting high or a tenor who has more character in their lower range than most. I’m not entirely sure, so I’m just not going to guess for now.

      How have you been practicing your singing?

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  6. Hi Ahmin?

    https://vocaroo.com/i/s08NoL8wu07f

    So, I’d like to ask you how this exercise went. I probably went flat a few times, no surprise there, but I was trying to hit B3 to C#4 most of the time, I’m still struggling with that. Bb3-C4 is much more comfortable though.

    And how’s my head voice/falsetto (I’m not sure) here? There’s no proper song to showcase this so I just recorded it.

    https://vocaroo.com/i/s1rR7UUqkwAb
    https://vocaroo.com/i/s0vu9nCaiEZO

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    1. I am actually kind of confused because you did hit Bb3 and C4 and although I’d like for your throat to be even more relaxed, with you focusing more on the jaw being loose and the soft palate moving and being lifted, you really have an issue with the B3 to C#4. You kept going flat, the pitch was fine before and the only way for you to sing the C# was when the B was sharp. 0:23, that’s it. After that, you started managing it better. See this exercise is very much like micromanagement but your pitch is already improving because instead of moving on and trying to sing higher, you’re focusing and trying to stay in the same notes so that you don’t become lazy! That’s good, focus when doing exercises, if something doesn’t feel right, don’t go any higher. Stay, go lower, then come back like you did. This is nice, but I’d like for you to focus on jaw and soft palate more to allow the vocal cords to be freer.

      The head voice is nicely connected and focused in placement, but the issue is just that you were singing kind of random sounds, so you weren’t really focusing on key center nor pitch but overall production with the ooh vowel is relatively nice. The Ee and Ah let out a bit of air and lose the floaty quality, so just relax and connect a bit more while focusing on the inside of the throat being shaped better.

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      1. Yeah, I knew that when I went to B3 – C#4, I kept going flat. I was aware of that so I kept trying to hit it again and again before going back down. How do you focus on lifting the soft palate? I know that people say it’s like the sensation of when you yawn, but that…is not really helpful for me lol. And while hitting the notes, I noticed that from Bb3, my jaw suddenly dropped while trying to hit C4. Should they not do that? Should they just stay in the same position?

        And yay! My head voice is not bad lol.

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  7. Hi and thank you for all of these amazing analysis. I learned a lot from them.

    This is Bang Yedam. One of YG’s most popular trainees. Few days ago he appeared on JYP’s survival show singing Shawn Mendes’ song.

    I love his voice but I don’t know how to feel about his technique. Does he even support?

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    1. Hi dear! Thank you and we appreciate the support! We don’t believe he supports at all. He has a pretty voice, but it’s all just air and a tight throat.

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  8. Is it possible for anyone who tries to become a good vocalist or is it possible for one to genuinely try but still not be able to be a good vocalist? Does that happen?

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    1. It really depends on how you’d try. Many people are not very patient and skip the actual learning process or take a long time to understand how to work on their singing properly. Without the right instructor and the right practicing method, it might take you a long time to figure things out but I believe it’s possible. It just may take longer for people who don’t grasp the concepts of singing as naturally.

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    1. Neither of them support in the fifth octave and the chorus is full of A#4’s, B4’s, C#5’s and D#5’s. Somin can handle her voice up to B4, even though she’s pushing more than needs to. Jiwoo sings like she is a mezzo, but she’s not. She doesn’t need to carry as much weight as she does.

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      1. She is not, but she sings like she thinks she is one. At least I don’t think so, she doesn’t give me the same vibes Kim Boa or Hani do, she’s more of a Jennie to me.

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  9. Hi Ahmin, how are you! I sent a recording like a few months ago (prob just 1 lol) and I lost my voice for quite some time and I’m not getting therapy until 2 months, so I just wanted to send a quick vid to see if I’m on the right track. I know it sounds horrible, but could you atleast tell me if there’s some support going on? I have been crazy into this vocal stuff for a few years after losing voice and trying to understand basic breath support but it seems like I’m just not doing it right. Lastly, could you tell that I am tenor or baritone? I am 17 but that may be still young and my condition might not help as well 😛
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CUPZ58PahQ-LU6r2lXj3rPjm7vDP38iy/view?usp=sharing
    I pretty much stopped singing 😦 but for today it’s an exception lol. Anyways, have a great Thanksgiving (if you celebrate) /day, and thank you for always being so responsive!

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    1. Unfortunately if you used a different username and different e-mail last time, I’m unable to find your older recordings to be able to draw any conclusions or to compare for improvement. Wait, so how did you lose your voice and how severe was it? 17 is still fairly young and you could very well improve your condition and you have a lot of time to recover. Thank you and I hope you had a good thanksgiving too!

      Oh wait, if this recording is your normal singing voice or normal speaking voice, then it must be quite severe the extent to which you lost your voice. I would really not recommend singing with the condition your voice is in for now. I don’t hear support but that’s like expecting a runner with a broken ankle to run with the right posture as if his muscle could respond to the technique he’s trying to use. It’s not possible really. I can’t tell you what your voice type is because I can barely hear the quality of your voice, what have you been doing to recover? Your range is fairly small because of your condition, so is pitch and projection. You don’t really have a chest voice either going on.

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      1. The vid I sent last time was deleted and it was on smule and had the effects and stuff, so not a good comparison. Yea, I lost my voice completely for more than a year due to oversinging and rlly bad diet, then I started gaining it back slowly over like 3 years but I developed a habit of whispering which ik is rlly bad but that was the only way I could have ppl hear me, and so my voice is ruined now :(. Honestly, i won’t make excuses i have been pretty hopeless with myself a lot cuz of this so there wasn’t much of an effort that I made and no one cared and someone was constantly putting me down so I was scared to speak at home, but Im rlly determined now to improve and change for better, so thank you again for responding and giving me hope! Lol my thanksgiving was at a chinese buffet, but it was ok, food is food lol 🙂

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  10. ok so this is absolutely random and i didn’t really know where to comment this to begin with but im dying to know. So there’s a new idol rebooting show, the unit, and i know you said there would be no analyses for project groups so i’m just gonna ask for something basic.

    The girl at 0:22 and 1:41, is there a chance she might be a contralto? There was this one video Ahmin had made and he’d mentioned that so far, to his knowledge, there were no contraltos in k-pop and such. I know this isn’t really much to judge off of and there isn’t much vocal happening either but any input would help.

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    1. She raps with a slightly low larynx, a lot of chest placement and by pushing so she sounds thicker and heavier. She is not a contralto to me, but could be a mezzo soprano.

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    1. Someone already asked about this actually. ^ ^
      “0:34 It’s F3, not G3. It’s not supported. The phrased G3 right after wasn’t bad but she kept lowering her larynx. 3:43 It was head voice, but it was too low for her to transition so she was kind of going back and forth with a low head voice and a heady mix. 3:49 yes resonant Bb4 3:52 Somewhat supported, that vowel was much too closed for her on a C5, she could’ve kept the same vowel. 4:07 supported phrased C5’s though. 4:30 I would say it’s more on the strained sound because of how tight the vowel is for this. 5:04 Yes resonant Bb4, 5:13 head voice with support up to Eb5 I’d say. Yes that 2:20 F#5 was mixed.”

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  11. Hi, I have a question… I have been doing exercises for support (2 note exercise) and the exercise for training the lower range from Ahmin’s YT channel for a while plus the m-exercise where it’s supposed to tickle in your lips. I did the exercise for the lower range sometimes with pinching my nose to eliminate nasality, sometimes I felt my nose slightly vibrating. Is that slight nasality?
    My main question is though: With the 2 note exercise, I can go up to C#5 until I strain (D5). But when I do the m-exercise, the tickling regresses around F4/G4 (I only feel it around the corners of my mouth) and completely disappears at A4-ish. Is the C#5 still supported? And does the disappearing of the tickling mean that I’m throaty or can’t support in that range? Also, does that mean that I would strain my head voice?
    Also, do you think there’s a lot influence from playing oboe? Bc I have been playing oboe for around 9 1/2 years now and my teacher has always paid a lot attention to breathing through the diaphragm. I have noticed though that I use my diaphragm more when I play oboe than when I sing, my diaphragm always tenses up a lot more when playing oboe.

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    1. Another thing about the oboe thing… Is it possible that oboe playing is identic when it comes to support, with the difference that you have a reed instead of vocal cords? Bc my oboe teacher once told me that when I started taking lessons from him, my breathing was all up in the chest and I had a lot of throat tension. Also, he told me to do breathing exercises which basically were specific yoga exercises meant to let go of every tension in the body and strengthen the diaphragm. What do you think of that?

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      1. Again even yoga breathing doesn’t target the diaphragm the same way it would for singing. Not even swimming, so the way you breathe or let go of the air in order to sing would theoretically be somewhat different, although I’m sure it helps and it’s much better than breathing through your chest.

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    2. I would say yes, it is slight nasality. It’s okay if you can take the sound out of your nose. I can’t say if the C#5 is supported if I don’t hear it. If you lose the tickling sensation, then you’re most likely letting go of the forwardness in mask placement as you ascend in range. The tickling doesn’t indicate strain or lack thereof. I’m not sure if it’s related, because I know diaphragmatic breathing for the Flute and for singing are quite different, so I’m not sure how you must breathe to play the oboe.

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    1. I’m afraid not. There’s an inconsistent stream of air, the throat isn’t fully relaxed, the larynx goes up and the vibrato is fairly wobbly. It just sounds unstable because the vocal cords aren’t being exercised as well as they should be.

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  12. I’m sorry for not giving any exact time stamps but basically I wanted to ask how is Jaehyun doing here his part starts at 1:01 I feel like he is being airy in some parts but honestly except from that I can’t tell much

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    1. Is there something wrong with my question?
      It’s okay if you are not answering because you don’t have time I just hope it’s not because of the way I asked it

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    2. Oh I’m sorry I don’t know how I missed this. Actually he was supporting fairly well up to C4, until about 1:24 where he started phrasing D4’s and a few E4’s and then his throat muscles started taking over. His lower range is not very forward nor projected well for a better.

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    3. Oh I’m sorry I don’t know how I missed this. Actually he was supporting fairly well up to C4, until about 1:24 where he started phrasing D4’s and a few E4’s and then his throat muscles started taking over. His lower range is not very forward nor projected well for a better.

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      1. I recall you saying you had heard support from him around E4? im I wrong? or I’m I right and it just means he has inconsistent support?, or well, very inconcistent support in this case since he is also struggling on D4s

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  13. How come she isn’t a good vocalist like Haeri when she has an extensively developed lower range similar to how Haeri has a well trained mix? Plus, U.Ji also oversees balanced development throughout her range, unlike Haeri who’s pretty much a one-trick pony.

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    1. Whys this comment not on U.ji’s analysis…? Because the most important thing is not having an extremely developed register, but instead singing well through your passaggi as you ascend in range and allow your voice to open up through the passageways. Haeri has a head voice with about as much developed as U.ji but indeed her lower range is far better developed, but her mix has a lot of issues with openness and consistency.

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  14. there’s definitely a bit uncomfortable for you to answer the question about the vocalist not being analyzed in the future like Zhang Liyin; however, from my point of view, her low range is shown support somewhere around F#3,which going with consistent resonance up to C#5, Bb5 in mixed range and upper extension, respectively. Supposed that my evaluation was right, could i rank her as Proficient vocalist at best; inasmuch as her and Park Jimin’s are pretty much identical. Thank you.

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  15. Hey, I have a lot of stuff to ask about, but I’ll try to keep it short.

    What are your thoughts on Nine Muses’ vocal line? I personally think that they’re pretty skilled, but I would like your opinion.
    Most people say that their order of skill goes Lee Sem > Hyemi > Keumjo > Kyungri > Hyuna, but as Keumjo has been doing adlibs lately, I’m not really sure what to think. I’m mostly concerned about current members, and even more specific, the gap between Hyemi and Keumjo…who’s more skilled, in your opinion? Or are they om the same level?

    Hyemi: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J-tBkZcjhqY
    Keumjo: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F6Ob6v_5J3Q

    I would also like to ask your thoughts on PRISTIN’s vocal line, mainly their three top vocalists- Sungyeon, Yehana, and Eunwoo. I was really impressed when Sungyeon did that run in “We Like” especially since I had heard that it’s hard to control your voice at a young age, but I don’t really know what your opinion is on her.
    I feel that all of the vocalists in PRISTIN are kind of nasal, but I think Yehana is particularly nasal among the three main vocals. I don’t know. Can I ask your opinion?

    Sungyeon: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rBkFg7QwkaM
    Yehana: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4sgsY2WBqjg
    Eunwoo: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lG8oX9gn3kc

    My other question is about BESTie’s Hyeyeon. Recently she performed on The Unit, and I was outstanded, as her voice had gotten worse, I guess? She just sounded out of breath the whole time and her high notes were kind of bad ( https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aGE0JUKD1Sc ) and I was really surprised, because I know that she’s capable of more than that ( https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Oms88D5lR54 ) and I was wondering why this could have happened. Is it just due to her not practicing or…?

    My last question is about LOONA. I just kind of want to know on your opinions on their vocals.

    Heejin: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E6hhBqWjdmM
    While I like her voice, I kind of doubt that she would be anything above average. She just hasn’t really stood out to me, but then again, I am not a vocal instructor, nor have I taken vocal lessons for very long.

    Hyunjin: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NxY06D51i-0
    Hyunjin, I think, is more of a style singer, and while she has a nice voice, I think she is probably average at best. I heard an attempt at a run in “My Sunday” but I don’t really think it was that good… ( https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TtaDrUbsO30&itct=CBcQpDAYACITCN7EjrCS4tcCFcrDnAod0p8HEDIHYXV0b25hdki2m_3uvOeaoMEB )

    Haseul: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uIAb9bA2sTI
    I also think Haseul is a style singer, and while she has shown some okay breath support in “Let Me In,” ( https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6a4BWpBJppI ) I haven’t really heard anything else impressive from her.

    Kim Lip: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_qJEoSa3Ie0
    I think Kim Lip is actually one of the better singers, but I do think she sings with style instead of technique, but she tries things too difficult for her as you can see as she tries to do a runs in “Sweet Crazy Love” ( https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cG7FkoNKBzI ) and “Love Letter” ( https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I9T01xRNnr0 )

    Choerry: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VBbeuXW8Nko
    Choerry, I think, is kind of mediocre. There’s not much stuff on her, but from what I’ve seen, she’s just okay.

    I’m not going to write on ViVi, Yeojin, Jinsoul or Yves because I couldn’t really find anything on neither ViVi nor Yeojin, and either way, they seem weaker to me, and Jinsoul is a rapper and Yves’ MV literally came out today so…

    Anyways, if you’ve read this far and plan on answering all of my questions, then hats off to you, and thanks in advance.

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    1. Wow okay so you were pretty merciless with this comment. Not only posting multiple videos, but also asking about 4 different groups. Unfortunately since this is a lot of videos to post all at once and I’m on my phone as today is a day I won’t have time to respond to such a long comment on my computer, I shall answer to the best of my ability. Specific questions will be answered specifically, general questions will be answered generally as I’ve seen most of these videos before.

      1. Nine Muses, I must say I disagree completely about them being pretty skilled. They’re by far one of the least skilled vocal groups in K-pop. Coincidently or not, ZE:A and them are from the same company and I can’t say a single member in these groups supports properly. Now we don’t use studio tracks to judge singing unless we have no options for range purposes. But even in these, Keumjo is fairly whiny in quality and singing with a high larynx while Hyemi is shallow and overly breathy. I can’t really tell you who their strongest vocalist is because even counting Sera, not a single member in Nine Muses, all sopranos, could handle Bb4’s without tension. Some even strain A4.

      2. PRISTIN. Yehana is mostly throat and pushing, Eunwoo is mostly shallowness and nasality. Sungyeon is the only member who supports but even she narrows her throat and squeezes higher notes, above C5 she gets really shouty and her runs tend to lack definition. She kind of slides more or less through.

      3. Hyeyeon has never been particularly strong in terms of breath support and air management. She’s fairly shallow when singing higher but I must point out that you’re drawing conclusions with an unfair comparison. I don’t think she’s gotten worse. She sounds like she’s particularly tired, but the songs are so different. Only wanna give it to you is a much rangier song with a far more complex melody, where she has to keep jumping up and down her range. We don’t talk anymore is narrow in range and the intervals are small, so she doesn’t need to manage her air as much. So it’s easier to sing, but nasality and shallowness are still there here and there. In the unit, she’s singing higher in a range where she doesn’t support, she’s jumping a lot more and losing her placement and connection between her vocal cords.

      4. LOONA imma just say I’ve seen most if not all these videos and I find it odd that people keep asking about them when we don’t officially know who their main vocalist is. I agree with you, they’re mostly all shallow and stylistically, not to say airy and pitchy. None of them strike me as having established consistent support throughout their mid ranges yet.

      I hope this response suffices and clarifies any concerns you had. Let me know if you have any other follow up questions.

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    1. I am not Ahmin lol but I don’t think they can support either; if they can it’s probably so weak I can’t hear it… A lot of them sing nasally and tend to be throaty from what I hear, the ex JYP trainee (Jeonwoong I think? I can’t really read the first character of his name lol) has the least bad habits… When the rapper was singing, his lack of support was rather… obvious xD
      …. I think. I might be wrong though. I am not as good at analyzing male vocals as I am a girl xD and everything is more or less self taught so yeahhh there are times I’m mistaken about nasality (I didn’t hear Seulgi’s nasality) or about support, especially when it comes to males. And I haven’t figured out resonance AT ALL. Help me xDD

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    1. I’m sorry dear, but as you know we don’t rate vocalists without full analyses. You’ll have to wait until they’re all analyzed to find the answers.

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  16. Someone said Lady Gaga’s head voice is not as good as Ariana Grande’s…Is that true?
    I apologize if this is a ridiculous question.

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    1. I’m not sure you should be listening to that someone. When you ask questions like this, if you’re going to quote what someone else said, then I’d rather you give me the full context of this. When they said it, where, and how is it “not as good”? Because as far as I’m concerned, a head voice with tongue tension and no support can’t be better than one with support and placement.

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      1. I’ve been frustrated for two and a half weeks trying to find this comment and the video I read it on…I was quite worried that it may have been deleted…

        Also, I’m sorry for posting out of context. I also don’t like posting things out of context, but I was a bit baffled by what this person said that I had to come here first.
        Also before I post this comment may I ask do you want me to post the names of people in the conversation as well as the comments or just the comments themselves?

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      2. You don’t have to post it at all if they’re just random people from Youtube or something like that. It’s not my business to go out of my way to confront and correct people. Now if they mentioned us and questioned us but didn’t do to our faces and are spreading misinformation, I may be able to intervene.

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      3. This conversation was between Maryah Watkins Productions and a commenter who I assumed watches her videos. (Also I’m sure you’ve heard of Maryah Watkins Productions before) P.S I take some of the things she says with a grain of salt,because although she is familiar with vocal technique she is still NOT a vocal instructor so her knowledge is not extensive.(I think that’s why I was baffled by her comment on Lady Gaga’s head voice being less developed than Ariana Grande’s, because as good of a vocalist as Lady gaga is,there’s no way her head voice would be less developed then Ariana’s that is.

        This is how the conversation went:
        Iosonio Ebasta: “Tinashe Really?”

        Maryah Watkins Productions: “Better than Adele at everything. Better than Ariana at everything except unsupported upper belts. Better than Demi(Lovato) at lows.Better mid-belts than Jazmine and Jessica. Way better head voice than
        Note: She meant Jazmine Sullivan and Jessica Sanchez.
        Iosonio Ebasta: “Ariana is better in head voice and Perri(Little Mix) and Leona(Lewis)too. Gaga’s support is everything but with Adele I agree.
        MWP:”Ariana doesn’t use head voice. Ariana uses her inconsistent falsetto to do the same scale over and over. Gaga’s head voice isn’t even as good as Ariana’s.
        Iosonio Ebasta: “I don’t think that…but I respect your opinion.”

        Also if it’s not too much to ask, if you can,that is if you’re familiar enough with the other singers she mentioned could you address the claims she made on them?…just for the sake of having the proper knowledge?(I don’t mean for you to analyze them since it goes against the rules)

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      4. I really would rather not because all she’s doing is comparing vocalists and not saying anything about their actually supported ranges. I just don’t want you to take what she says with a grain of salt, she’s one of those people with shallow knowledge and terms, but her hearing skills are very limited.

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      5. Sorry in advance about posting my comment twice. When I tried posting the first time it kept saying error and when I copied and pasted it to another tab it doubled it itself. Lol.
        By the way here’s the link for the video so you’ll can understand even more,well when you have time to…I know you’re busy hehe ^ ^

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    1. Yes I remember you. Unfortunately singing a song by Claire doesn’t really help still because I do remember I suggested that you’d sing a song written more for a baritone voice. Have you been practicing in a different way than before? I generally hear similar things to what I heard before, although you’re a lot less nasal in Mandarin than you were in Korean. Your diction does help a lot get the sound out better. Your pitch again is generally pretty nice and strong, you don’t struggle much with it at all. Your breathing isn’t bad, but it’s just that you sing pretty heavy throughout your range and like I said before, your larynx is more or less always in a slightly pushed down position, sometimes more pushed down, sometimes less. So you sound quite heavy throughout your range. The thing is that you making your voice so heavy, makes you go into your throat more as you go higher. Around C4, you’re already using your throat too much like 1:10 before the end of the song, before the key change, you can hear more effort coming from your throat muscles in that range.

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      1. So,still strain all the time and no supported note completely? It’s so sad…..I try to breathe deeper ,use the waist power instead of throat.To be honest,I thought I made progress because of less nasality and more breath control.I remember Jung Joon Yong Scored 1.0 in your vocal analysis system,but he still has an octave supported range…..So can I support any note?

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      2. Not strain all the time, but too much pressure in the throat. I’m not saying you can’t breathe either but you keep pushing.

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  17. Hi, Ahmin. Can I ask you something?
    Somebody told me that Suzy was in the same level with Nayeon and Jungyeon, Hani was in the same level with Hyerin. Is that true? I’m just so curious because it’s absolutely different from what I’ve known. How would you rank Suzy? Min is Miss A’s best vocalist. So Suzy can’t be better than her. While Nayeon might be weak to average vocalist and Jungyeon might be average vocalist.
    Thank you.

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    1. I’m not sure why you would listen to said individual instead of trusting your own knowledge and opinion. Your thought process is relation to them is all correct, so don’t let someone else confuse you.

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  18. Hey there it’s me again. I asked for some points of improvements a few weeks ago on YouTube. Haha I just wanted some more points of improvement. Mmy friend and I decided to cover the same song privately and I thought, if it’s alright with you, could you maybe give us a bit of a comparative analysis of our performances? I can’t speak for my friend but I’m fully aware my performance has still a looooot of flaws. That’s why I wanted to know how I could improve it more. Hehe here are the links:

    Mine: https://youtu.be/y3v8iGMIspo

    My friend’s: https://youtu.be/1SKgYrcVYmY

    Btw, I really love this blog. I discovered So Hyang here and I am sooooo thankful I did! ❤

    (I accidentally posted this comment on the Analysts panel. I’m so sorry XD )

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    1. I wasn’t sure whom you were but then I went back and found that video of you singing On My Own and I remember watching it and being very impressed with your singing! Well If you guys are okay with a comparison between the two, that’s fine. I feel slightly awkward about it.

      “Share my Life” you could have dropped your jaw more, you were slightly nasal. 0:18 Really, some of your R’s kind of go a bit too narrow. Good pitch, good support. 0:31 Aye vowel in self closed the back of your throat more than you needed to and you pushed more chest than you needed to. 0:34 Same thing, the back of the tongue is going up and closing the throat. 0:37 here it’s high, so I understand that if there’s tension on A4, the tension will only become more prominent the higher you go. I’d need you to relax tongue and throat more, sing it without as much pushing. 1:00 really nice transition. 1:07 slightly flat at first.

      The audio is further, but she is more opened with her diction. She has more echo going for her. The piano is kind of loud too. So on self and hide, she opens the back of her throat a lot more and has a rounder quality but I’d say she’s pushing just a tiny bit on the A4 for hide. 0:42 Pushing her head up is not a good sign and she’s really squeezing her throat throughout the chorus. In your case, you sing lightly but with the tongue closing the back of your throat, with her case she pushes harder with more squeezing of the throat than you when she sings higher so she loses projection and placement. She and you both have very nice support throughout the verse of the song though. She also raises her shoulders too much.

      I hope this was helpful and I’m glad to have introduced you to Sohyang!

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      1. Thank you so much for your response! Is there any other exercise I can do to minimize tongue tension (other than what you showed on your video on YouTube that covered about tongue tension) and closing of the throat?

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      2. Got it. Thank you very much! If it’s not too much trouble, can I ask for more points of improvement in the future? I hope, though it’s a very ambitious dream, to be able to sing like So Hyang, or if not, even just Taeyeon in the future.

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      3. Oh, I forgot to ask something. I’m actually wearing retainers so I usually have a problem pronouncing my Rs properly. Is there any way to do so, a daily exercise for the tongue maybe, even with my retainers on?

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      4. Oh retainers are the kind of bracers you can take off right? I think it’s just best if you take them off when you’re practicing singing since they definitely get in the way.

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      5. Noted. Thanks for your advice. I’ll probably just do that since I also have a problem pronouncing my THs properly sometimes because of the retainers. Thanks again!

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  19. i know this is not kpop related but is the note at 1:50 any good ? And is that head voice or falsetto at 2:42 i’m having a hard time distinguishing both . Btw thank you for making this website it totally cleared misconceptions and shut vocalist expert wannabes on the internet lol

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    1. 1:50 It’s a C#5 full of throat tension. This is the problem with children singing to try and sound like adults. She’s not an adult, she does not have the voice of an adult and yet she’s using all this artificial weight and tension in her voice to try to sound like one and that is going to create some serious bad habits for her in the future if this isn’t addressed now. 2:42 I’d call it a head voice. I do ask that you don’t ask about vocalists we won’t analyze, but there’s a specific time stamp, I can address the question.

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  20. Hey Ahmin, I think that I finally fixed the main issue of my technique:

    Before: https://vocaroo.com/i/s1z8PtUdTZM5
    It’s how I usually sang the note (an E4?), it carries somewhat some support but it’s tensed, sounds like it’s from the throat (when it’s kinda not because my breath support is well managed and my throat opened)

    After: https://vocaroo.com/i/s1QNTQ3NI7vG
    A much better placement, with an opened and rounder sound, much easier to hear and to hit for me lol I even doubt if this is resonant… What do you think?

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    1. Hi there dear!! Could you show me something else actually? Could you try singing this note, mixed, but a lot more softly? I don’t want you to full on belt it out but instead just mix it.

      Yes the note carries tension from the back of the throat, namely the tongue. The second one is a lot more relaxed and the tongue muscles are a lot less engaged, but I still hear them block your sound a bit and I do think it’s partially the Uh vowel and partially you anticipating the L at the end of the note.

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      1. See the tongue muscles are still being engaged. Now that doesn’t mean I don’t hear support, I do. It’s just not opened enough. The last E4 is really nice though!

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  21. I’m sorry if you are not answering questions about non main vocals but I just wanted to ask does Kai like support at all?
    This video got me wondering about Kai

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  22. Ah I understand~ my voice is in a pretty awful state: because of lack of time, I don’t always have the time to do my vocal exercises but I plan on getting a vocal trainer soon…. Did you do a video on tongue tension ? I think this issue comes from my vocal cords, they’re tired, but I’ll still try to fix it.

    Oh the E4 was good ? I’m so inconsistent ._. Thanks I still have my lower range and my head voice (even if it’s messy nowadays). This E4 was opened ? Or it was still blocked a bit ? Sorry for all the questions 😅

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  23. Hey I know this isn’t kpop related but you’ve mentioned a couple times (for V and Ken) that certain notes don’t count towards your vocal range so I wanted to ask is this video of Mitch Grassi’s vocal range accurate? Like some of the notes are labeled non-melodic but they’re still also labeled as part of his vocal range so i’m confused.

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  24. Hey, Ahmin! I’m kind of frequenting this comments section and I’m sorry if it’s getting annoying, I just don’t know how else to reach you haha. I just remembered having this video and actually wanted some points of improvement (as usual XD) from you but then I kind of forgot about it.

    Here’s the link to it:

    I’m really sorry for the trouble and I’ll try to ask for more POIs only after I feel confident enough that I’ve made progress already.

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    1. I think it sounds pretty good! 0:25 placed somewhat well, but there’s a bit of squeezing of the throat around here. The rest was relaxed, some issues with vowels closing but that’s mostly an accent thing for singing in Korean. Keep up the good work, you are already doing very well!

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  25. Just stopping by b/c im curious if someone have asked about wanna one’s vocalist Kim jaehwan and Ha Sungwoon? Sungwoon was in a group hotshot but they weren’t that big. Just wondering if you have listened to them as wanna one and/or their solo songs and what you think about them and who you think is superior between the two.
    gonna leave it here i dont wanna be one of those pushy fans
    tthanks tho , just wanna here your opinion
    XD

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    1. Yes they have. I have listened to them in general and personally I’ve only heard Sungwoon sing with relative shallowness above E4, even around that range. Whereas Jaehwan supports but starts pushing too much around F#4/G4.

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  26. the Teaser for Twice “heart shaker” came out and I cant help but notice that it sounds a little higher then usual, am I right? can you tell me what notes where being sung and the highest note because the chorus in Twice songs dont sound as high as this

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  27. Hello!! Good morning!!. … sorry for asking a lot…hehe…i actually literally read this blog every day…so, i cant help but ask…..anyway…. previously a lot of my friends and myself even, thought that im a tenor…due to my voice being a lot lighter than most baritone and being able to contantly sing G#4/A4 (yeah im aware that it has no support whatsoever), and actually belted a few F5!!…i know im a baritone ,…but lately ive been learning to support which i would say based on my last recording support up till D4/Eb4, no?…and now i cant really hit B4 and above (which i know that im not supposed to even sing that high) because i rarely ever sing that high anymore and try not to push too much……so my point is, i find my voice to be a bit weird, coz i can sing really high (again without support) and my voice is very light….is my being able to sing high is due to my voice being very light, or is it because ive always thought that I was a tenor before that i ‘trained’ to sing like one…what do you think….sorry for being very lenghty

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    1. I’d have to hear you mixing as high as you claim to. In general I’d need audios that exemplify the things you’re explaining so that I can help you better, this is not enough.

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  28. hi, admins.

    i want to ask you about golden child’s main vocal joochan (i personally haven’t seen him being mentioned here before so, if he was, i apologize).

    i already asked about this on the vocal thread and probably for the same reason i struggled deciding whether he’s supporting or not, they came to a disagreement over his support being either shallow and underdeveloped or actually pretty solid (see, even though he sound pretty much light most of the time and might have a terrible placement, he doesn’t sound like he’s straining at all, at least until A4).

    i’m leaving the same videos with time stamps i left on the vocal thread (they asked me to post here).

    0:33-0:55/1:35-1:55 there’s tons of F#4-G4-G#4
    0:38 sustained E4
    3:14 sustained F#4

    0:05 F#4
    0:19 G4
    0:23-0:30 G4-F#4
    0:43 A4-G#4

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    1. We’ve been asked about Golden Child before actually. We’ve been asked about Y and Joochan and my general impression was that Y sounds supported but Joochan goes inconsistently in between being more relaxed to being tight.

      I am slightly disappointed in hearing that there was disagreement on whether he is supporting or not in the VT. I really appreciate the time stamps by the way. No G#4’s, actually they’re A4’s. To me he is singing with a high larynx throughout the whole time. So is she. 0:38? What E4? He is just always using airiness to sing, and a high larynx. He is not supporting at all to me. 3:14 Very shallow and she’s very strained.

      He sings lightly but don’t let lightness fool you for “being relaxed” or “supporting.” In both videos, he is always singing with a high larynx. 0:27 F#4, there is not support in that at all. He is a very thin high larynx vocalist.

      Let them know I’m disappointed in them. LOL jk…no but really. I kind of want to know who said his support was solid.

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      1. Heh, I was the one who thought so. Well, I’m not surprised that I’m wrong (I always put disclaimers and urged this user to ask you instead cuz the VT might not be reliable) but I’m surprised I was THAT far lmao. Hm, I need more practice when it comes to boys.

        Like, I knew for sure that the girl wasn’t supporting but I thought JooChan sounded pretty nice throughout lol. At least in the first video, the second video I was more doubtful. So he’s not even relazed? Jeez. Both the other user and myself were wrong then: he doesn’t support at all lol. But I guess I was wrong-er.

        Hm, I’m frustrated with this. Joochan had me fooled because he didnt sound that shallow compared to the other people in the Weak section. Who should I like, try to compare his singing to that would show the difference between his singing and supported singing?

        (I always put disclaimers anyways in my replies. But I’m at least better at hearing the girls clearly)

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      2. It’s okay lol but you’re fired. Lol mhmm anybody who supports? Most tenors don’t sing that light these days if they support.

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      3. that kind of disappoints me as well lol but it’s comforting to know that even more trained ears like people from the thread were fooled by his singing, never quite heard anyone straining and still sounding like he does.
        i could swear to death that he had a better support than y since y’s straining is a lot more obvious but now i see why joochan’s strain above F#4 isn’t that obvious…. cause he was already straining all the way long lmao.
        i guess i’ll have to look deeper into him in order to redefine what in my mind was support and what was just throat.

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      4. I’m fired oml XD. Yeah, I’ll have to research more 👀. I know that so far, I have most trouble figuring out lower ranges and overall just male vocals lmao

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  29. Can I have your opinion on my cover??? I’m the one who starts the singing part. Sorry for disturbing you once again lol I wanted to see if I actually improved or not and I would like to know what type of songs will my voice fit… Thank youuuuu http://www.smule.com/p/566895733_1833447260 (if this is not enough for you to analyse,there are more in my Smule account but they kinda all sucks)

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    1. Welp I just realise that i used the wrong account uhuhu but you can find my older recordings in my smule account (I was the one who sent i.o.i’s downpour and a Day6 song last time)

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      1. Nooo this is the correct smule account… I’m talking about the name I used to comment last time and now is different so I thought that you might not find my previous recordings that I sent (but anyways it’s in the my smule account) Sorry for the misunderstanding

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  30. I know this isn’t Kpop, but I’m curious about this particular vibrato at 0.04-0.07 , is it tongue vibrato or jaw vibrato ? Trying to differentiate it ,Because both are moving rapidly. If u can’t reply it’s okay.

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    1. i would say park hyo shin he’s quite agile for me …. MyungJin too the guy is hella agile even when straining, also JOHN park when he prepares his runs and don’t just land them on the spot

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