BTS V’s Voice type

Hello everyone,

Happy new Lunar year! I hope you’re all having a wonderful holiday for those of you who celebrate and if not, I hope you’re healthy and well in general.

I’ve been away for a while for many reasons. I’m still active responding to comments, but I haven’t really felt motivated to write a new analysis in a long time. Some of it has to do with the lack of reward I felt I had received over the years compared to the effort I was making. Some of it has to do with a general lost of interest in idols or fandom culture (though as I live in Korea, I’m still very much interested in K-pop and in music.)

I’ve been busy with my own musical activities and I’d like to apologize for the long absence. I know some of you really counted on me posting new analyses. On the other hand, I know many of you also rooted for me to fail and to stop posting analyses because to you, your idol being the best is more important than accepting their flaws and wishing for their improvement (for their health as well). To each their own, I’ve got better things to do than argue with random unknown people online.

Now the real point I want to make with this post is to talk about BTS’ V and his voice type. It was brought to my attention by user @100000loveand on twitter that he thought V was a tenor, as opposed to a baritone. Interestingly enough, I didn’t feel it was a far fetched argument. I just had never personally considered it myself. I’m not one to have an issue admitting to being wrong, I just need time to adjust and to be convinced first.

In the past I have mislabelled Hwanhee of Fly to the Sky as a baritone but then with some experience in voice types (I’m contemporarily trained as opposed to what some may spread around) so my voice typing experience is still growing and I like to learn everyday. I stand by the fact that I was wrong, Hwanhee is definitely a dramatic tenor. And I have thoughts on Hyunmin of DGNA and Lee Hi as well being mislabelled.

I personally have a student who at one point I had mislabelled as a baritone. Actually two of them. After then singing with him and another friend, who’s a dramatic tenor, I realized that his voice was higher than both of us and was just an untrained tenor. Same thing for my other student who turned out to be a dramatic tenor and was what gave me the confidence to realize Hwanhee is also a dramatic tenor.

As for V. I pondered and truthfully, I have stated my observations on his lack of vocal technique development already in his vocal analysis, which I’ll link here just in case. But the thing is…For an untrained baritone to be able to mix as high as he does, as naturally as he does and as consistently as he does…It is actually quite puzzling. The point was brought up to me and after pondering for a while, I’ve come to agree with said user who told me he’s a tenor. As an vocalist with majorly stylistic choices and underdeveloped vocal technique, the way he sings wouldn’t match an untrained baritone. If I compare him to any other untrained baritone I know, even students of mine, or even myself with training, singing all the way up to G#4 that often is just difficult to understand. Even if he does sing relatively breathy and light, which only adds to the fact that his tessitura is a little bit above that of a lyric baritone. I don’t think that V is by any means a lyric tenor. He’s a low type of tenor for sure, which is unfortunate on the baritone pride I try to spread. But I also want to spread pride for every voice type out there. Be proud of who you are, especially when you’re a unique non-lyric voice. As for V, if he ever chooses to sing without as much stylistic choices without the base support and vocal cord coordination behind in the future, his voice type could become more obvious. I don’t know for sure what he is, if he’s a dramatic or a spinto tenor but after this recent clip of him singing with our more well known spinto tenor, Park Hyoshin was released, I believe it’s fairly obvious how similar in weight both vocalists are.

Park hyoshin is another example of a vocalist who in the past was often mislabelled as a baritone. After his huge vocal improvement starting in 2007, he’s shown us all what a real trained tenor can do. Perhaps someday V could do the same, if he chooses to. If not, that’s fine as well. Whatever he’s happy with, as long as he takes care of his voice, I hope we should support.

As for my closing statement. I don’t know when I’ll come to write more analyses. Maybe someday I’ll feel motivated again and happy to do so. For now, I’m enjoying my life with my friends, teaching singing, performing, living in Korea and being happy how I am. Since it was something I did for free, if one day I feel happy doing it again, I’ll return. Until then, I hope you’re all healthy, happy and have a wonderful day.



Irene Bae on Quora Answers (Quick post)

Hi guys. Are y’all good? Are y’all healthy? I hope you all can be happy in your life achievements and whatnot. Recently it’s come to my attention that someone by the username of Irene Bae has been on Quora giving answers claiming they co-own KpopVocalAnalysis and that they know me. I don’t know who this person is. This blog is owned by me and Pandayeu only. Anyone else who claims to own this, isn’t telling the truth. So please beware of these people.

This is their profile by the way:

Anyway stay healthy and don’t forget to love others and yourself. Be true to yourself, have courage and be kind.

[Ahmin] What I’ve been up to

Hi guys. I know that this blog isn’t getting as much traffic as it used because we haven’t been actively posting on it anymore. Don’t worry if you’re wondering where we went or if this is the end of us. It isn’t. Haha But it has been a while and I feel I owe you all some words, some explanations.

First I’d like to say thank you for your love and support throughout these years. It’s gotten me through a lot of rough days and made me keep moving forward. Now that’s not to say that having this blog and other stuff related to it like our Facebook page and Youtube channel isn’t great. Now I do wanna apologize and make some things official.

  1. We aren’t done, we will be back.
  2. I have not been answering video questions or audio questions because it used to take a whole half of my day to reply to everything constantly. And I’d have to be on my phone throughout the day to make sure everything was responded to as well.

So now that I’m in Korea, I’m less active on other social media and just trying to remain active on my own life. Finishing my studies, furthering my education and my experience as a vocal instructor, singer and as a person.

Once the right time comes, I shall be back to this blog. That time just isn’t now yet.

If you were wondering what I’ve been doing besides the University I’ve been attending (Sejong University btw), I’ve also been recently on two TV shows. One of them is called I’m a Trot Singer (The Trot version of I’m A Singer) in which I sang as part of the background. I’ll link the video and I come out after the 4:00 mark.

I was also recently on a TV show called TopGoal Rhapsody in which I performed a song. The show’s concept is where foreigners come out, show their talent and sing a song released between 1980 and 2010 in both Korean and translated into their own mother tongue. The translation should be done by the contestant themselves with no professional help. The song I sang was “가질 수 없는 너” or The One I Can’t Have and even though English is my most comfortable language, I had to sing the second verse in my original first language which is Portuguese.

I shall keep working hard to achieve my final goal in the end and I can’t promise I’ll come back here like it was before, but I won’t abandon this blog because it helped me a lot throughout some rough years. I also am thankful to you all.

(To people who may NOT know this: Yes, I am both a singer and a vocal instructor, just FYI. lol)

Debunking K-pop Vocal Myths #16: Are BTS’ Jimin and UP10TION’s Sunyoul countertenors?

Quick Post here guys. This is my new video webseries called “Debunking K-pop Vocal Myths”, where I’ll be posting vocal tips for you guys as often as possible. Please leave a comment, subscribe and share it with others. Let me know if you have any questions and please give suggestions for future videos! I’ll try to make this a Thursday or Friday night weekly thing!


Throughout the years, we’ve received immense love from every one of our readers. And we’re deeply thankful for the amount of support we got from the people who understand what we are all about. We appreciate, love and thank you all for these amazing years.

However we’ve received our own fair share of criticism as well. Our ranking system has always been controversial, and rightfully so. However the content within our analyses is the most important thing to us. We didn’t watch more than 30 to 40 individual live performances for each of these vocalists, more than 120 so far, for nothing. We care about each and every one of these vocalists. People might call us biased and if you know me, you know I hate to be called something I’m not. We’re not biased. Bias is not even listening or caring, it’s having a pre-conceived notion and sticking to it. We don’t do that. We give everyone a fair chance. We don’t have preferences, we don’t rank based on our taste or whom we like. We don’t dislike anybody or try to put anyone down.

But we understand that ranking vocalists isn’t the nicest thing to do. For a while now we’ve been thinking of eliminating the ranking system altogether. Truthfully, it’s counterproductive to rank vocalists against one another. That’s not what we’re about. We’re here to spread knowledge and educate people on vocal technique. We want people to be able to know what’s unhealthy and healthy for the voice. What can be dangerous and what’s good for you. We want the best not only for the fans, but for each of the vocalists we’ve analyzed. We spend so much time analyzing them, we truthfully grow attached to each one of them. I know I do.

So from now on, we won’t be ranking vocalists or trying to say someone is better than anybody else. We’re against fanwars and we don’t wish to fuel them. We want these rankings gone altogether. So from now, we’re going to simply label vocalists under their strongest qualities and stylistic choices. We won’t say who’s better than who, but we won’t label them by genre either. Instead we will re-label and re-organize them based on who prefers to sing within what range, in what way, what style and who’s developed their voice a specific way.

That does not mean that we don’t personally believe there is a more effective way to use the voice. We do and we stand by it. We stand by the fact that there are different types of techniques and ways to sing that a vocalist can choose and a vocalist who has more choices, has a bigger “tool belt” of choices to pick from. However even then, at the end of the day the choice is the vocalist’s and the vocalist’s only. If they choose to listen or choose to sing in one specific style, that’s their choice and we must respect that. However if they wish to change because they want to develop other ways to sing and other parts of their voices, that’s what we’re here for.

I know that change is hard and that many of you are our fans because of our ranking system. I don’t expect every one of you to stay with us through this change, as I know you like to know who’s better than who. But we feel as vocal instructors and vocalists ourselves that it is best to take this step forward and create a place that’s neutral in its narrative and positive in its message. We don’t want to fuel negativity. Who cares who’s better than who? Love your artist, support them and care about their vocal health, that’s all we want!

Our system goes now as follows with our criteria. The criteria will be updated in the front page as well. (Changes may still be made as this is the beginning of this only. You could call it a BETA mode right now.)

MH Vocalists: Mid-Range Head Voice Vocalists

Vocalists in this category haven’t developed their head voices very high but are able to use them within a relatively low to mid range in their voice type’s tessitura. They maintain connection at will and are able to access their head voices at will.

Sopranos: Up to at least D5 up to A5
Mezzo-Sopranos: Up to at least C5 up to G5
Tenors: Up to at least A4 up to E5
Baritones: Up to at least F4 up to C5

HV Vocalists: High Head Voice Vocalists

Vocalists in this category have developed a relaxed and open sound in their head voices. They can manipulate dynamics, qualities within their head voices, they maintain supported qualities and manipulate the placement in their head voices well.

Sopranos: Starting Around Bb5
Mezzo-Sopranos: Starting around G#5
Tenors: Starting around F5
Baritones: Starting around C#5

MB Vocalists: Mid-Range Belters

Vocalists within this category generally perform the best within their mid-belting mixed voice range. Once they go high, they might have issues with keeping their throats as opened as they were in their mid belting ranges. They must be able to produce resonance in their mixed voices to be classified in this category.

Sopranos: Up to at least C5 up to D5/Eb5
Mezzo-Sopranos: Up to at least Bb4 up to C5/C#5
Tenors: Up to at least G4 up to A4
Baritones: Up to at least Eb4 up to F4

HB Vocalists: High Range Belters

Vocalists in this category perform best and have the most ease within their upper mixed voice ranges. They are able to keep an opened sound without losing tone quality, without losing support and without losing volume while still being relaxed. They must be able to produce resonance in their mixed voices to be classified in this category.

Sopranos: Starting around E5
Mezzo-Sopranos: Starting around D5
Tenors: Starting around Bb4
Baritones: Starting around F#4

M Vocalists: Mid-Range Vocalists

Vocalists in this category are those with relatively narrow supported ranges, whose strengths lie in singing within an octave of their range without going too high or too low too often. They generally keep support within a mid one octave range, but outside of that strain can become more apparent and intense.

Sopranos: Falling somewhere within A3/Bb3 ~ Bb4/B4
Mezzo-Sopranos: Falling somewhere within G3/G#3 ~ G#4/A4
Tenors: Falling somewhere within E3 ~ F4/F#4
Baritones: Falling somewhere within C3 ~ C#4/D4

ML Vocalists: Mid-Low Range Vocalists

Vocalists in this category have somewhat developed their lower ranges, but could still further develop the strength in the vocal cord development, projection, support and connection as they descend lower in range.

Sopranos: Going down to about G#3/G3
Mezzo-Sopranos: Going down to about F#3/F3
Tenors: Going down to about C#3/C3
Baritones: Going down to about A2/G#2

LR Vocalists: Low Range Vocalists

Vocalists in this category generally develop their lower ranges well and are comfortable singing lower than most within their voice types. They have developed chest voices, sung without tension, with connection, projection and ease.

Sopranos: Anywhere starting on F#3 and below
Mezzo-Sopranos: Anywhere starting on E3 and below
Tenors: Anywhere starting on B2 and below
Baritones: Anywhere starting on G2 and below

S vocalists: Stylistic Vocalists

Vocalists within this category usually prefer to sing in a specific specialized generally breathy way, narrowing their genre to keep themselves true to their style. They can often prefer breathiness, soft singing, throatiness and falsetto over singing with more connection and belting with more openness/roundness in tone.

C Vocalists: Commercial Vocalists

Vocalists in this category lack in terms of clarity of tone and overall management of airflow. They don’t necessarily prefer stylistic qualities like breathiness or soft singing. Instead they prefer to sing in a way that’s specific to their own music only, preferring to sing with high larynxes, or more air pressure, etc.

MA Vocalists: Melismatic/Agile Vocalists

This category is exclusive for the vocalists who have learned to how to properly move their vocal cords from note to note, at the center of pitch, with precision, control and ease. They have flexible vocal cords that respond to changes in pitch without sliding through them, but instead hitting each single note at a time with accuracy.

WR vocalists: Well Rounded Vocalists

Vocalists in this category have developed their ranges to sing within a variety of genres and styles while keeping a strong connection between their vocal cords and air management to sing with minimal strain within a wider range, from chest voice to mixed voice to head voice. The development of each of those registers should be both consistent and balanced.

To Jonghyun

I haven’t really written a proper response to this yet, but here it goes.

Honestly waking up to the news was one of the most shocking things ever. What could have happened? Is it real? How is one supposed to process that kind of information? I had been away from the personal lives of idols for a long time because it’s not healthy. I didn’t want to believe it. I didn’t even know about his depression and it hurts so much.

In 2010 through 2012, I had depression. Many times I wanted to die. I didn’t want to kill myself but I wanted to die, hit by a bus or something. Every night going to sleep was so tough because there was this tight grip around my heart and it wouldn’t go away. I was fresh out of high school, I didn’t know what to do with my life. I felt ugly, alone and like I was going to amount to nothing.

I’d fall asleep later than everyone and wake up first, I’d have issues sleeping. When you’re sad, you usually know why and you just have to go and fix it or get over the reason why you’re sad. Right now I’m sad. Back then I was not. There was no reason, there was just a pain in my chest, my heart was in pain and I couldn’t fix it because I didn’t know how.

This would stay with me for two years with me hanging on and going on, until I was ready to move on and do what’s best for me. Through that time, it was the existence of many of these singers, of music, of my dreams that got me through it. They were the reason for my depression but also my remedy.

Jonghyun was a big part of this and to think that he was feeling what I felt is so heartbreaking. To think that he was going through this, taking pills to sleep. It hurts so much that I couldn’t do for him what he unknowingly did for me.

It’s through tears and pain that I have to say goodbye but his death shouldn’t be in vain. He didn’t die for no reason. This is to show us that mental health issues are real and are a disease. It’s not just something that can be brushed off as a personality issue or a mood. It needs to be dealt with and people have to come forward about it.

How many of these idols are going through this right now? How many of them feel this pain? I would never wish that kind of pain on anybody. Ever. So let’s not let this be the end, let us celebrate his life. Let us keep on fighting for our loved ones, for our dreams and never let others be alone. Let us work harder together.

We love you and will always love you so much Jonghyun. I hope that your soul is free and that you are in peace. It doesn’t matter what religion you’re, but let’s send him off with love so that he’s free.

Doctors, this is a disease. Start treating it as such. Save lives, like you’re supposed to. Depression is real.

수고했어요 형. 지금까지 많이 힘들었지만…

From: KpopVocalAnalysis, Ahmin