Analysts (The Team)

Current Contributors

AhMin3

Role: Admin

Favourite Group(s)/Soloist(s): SHINee, Chocolat, TVXQ!, SNSD, Wonder Girls, Ailee, BoA, Amerie, Lena Park, Wheesung, Destiny’s Child, LeToya, Mariah Carey, Tamia

Bias: Donghae, Tiffany, Melanie, Onew, Daesung, Sunye, Krystal, Sandeul, Jimin (BTS), Jonghyun, Minhyuk, Shownu

Favorite voices in K-pop: Junsu, Donghae, Tiffany, Onew, Sunye, Daesung, Suhyun, Changsub, G.NA, Jieun, Baekhyun, D.O., Bernard Park

About: Signature sugarcoater. I won’t lie but I won’t be brutally harsh/rude. Graduated vocal student at the Musicians Institute in Hollywood and currently vocal coach in LA. 24 years old. I’ve been taking vocal lessons since I was 15 and I’ve also gone to college in England for a year of Music Business and another of vocals. Fan of K-pop since late 2007.

Fun Fact: Lyric Baritone, Vocal Range C#2-C6, Supported Range F2/F#2-F#4/G4 (C5 with head voice)

Links: YouTube, Twitter, Tumblr, Linkedin

pandayeu (under new management)

Role: Admin

Favourite Group(s)/Soloist(s): SNSD, Red Velvet, SoHyang, WSJN, Super Junior, TWICE, SHINee, Jessica, f(x), IU, Dal Shabet, I.O.I

Bias: Taeyeon, Jessica, Yoona, Kyuhyun, SeoHyun, Sana, Pinky, Krystal, Wendy

About:  So I am K, and I am taking over the pandayeu account as Aly has left the blog. I am limiting my name to just one letter because I don’t need you guys looking me up on Facebook lol or something. Ummm, I am 18 years old and have been taking voice lessons for like 3 years and I have been a kpop fan since like 2010.

Fun Fact: Because I am 18 years old and therefore my voice is young, my voice type is kind of ambiguous so yeah I am voice type less lol, however my range is Eb2-Eb6 and my supported range is G2/G#2-E4/F4-F5/F#5

Links: n/a

Former Contributors

kpopvocalanalysis/casualfan (Inactive)

Role: Founder/Admin

Favourite Group(s)/Soloist(s): Beyoncé, Christina Aguilera, Mariah Carey, Michael Bublé, Justin Timberlake, James Morrisson and Destiny’s Child.

Bias: Kyuhyun

About: A casual fan of K-Pop, she decided to set up this blog up so it could be a place where all of the K-Pop analysis done so far, by the people on the Idol’s Vocals thread on OneHallyu forums, could be nicely organized.

Links: allkpop profile

FrostPrincess21/Haruko


Role: Admin

Favourite Group(s)/Soloist(s): SHINee, f(x), Ailee (Slayee), Hyorin, Sistar, Davichi, BoA, Kyuhyun, EXO, Son Seungyeon, Sohyang, Lena Park, Lee Young Hyun

Bias: Ailee, Chanyeol, Xiumin, Kyuhyun, Eunhyuk, Luna, Taeyeon, Chen, Kyungsoo, Baekhyun, Minho, Junsu (the good one)

About: Taken vocal lessons for years since early age and currently teaching a variety of students with the help of her mentor.

Fun Fact: Light Lyric Soprano

Links: YouTube, twitter

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221 thoughts on “Analysts (The Team)

    1. Oh it’s a new page… I feel this question may off as dick-ish if I answer LOL >_< the other ones..they're all average vocalists at most, weak at the least. Thanks for the comment and for looking at this page!

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      1. Hi i was just wondering based off of this where would i be ranked following this page’s criteria?

        Vocal range: D2-F6/Supported range: F#2-C#4/F#2-G5 (with head voice)
        Vocal type: Lyric Bass?

        Lower register: My tessitura is around A2 and i can usually go down to F#2 with relative ease however breathiness and lowered larynx can sometimes be present in my singing but not often. Also any note below F2 is usually 60% breath with a jammed down larynx.

        Mid Register: Basically non existent. I don’t usually sing in this area and when i do i usually sing lower than D4. any note above D4 becomes throaty, tight with a high larynx.

        High Register: My “regular” falsetto is generally relaxed up until D5. Notes above that become more solid and i thought for the longest time that i was singing them in head voice but they were actually sung in reinforced falsetto. My head voice comes in at about A5 and above. I haven’t tried singing in my head voice too much but when i have tried to do so. It was strained and kind of nasal but i was usually not warmed up when singing in that register.

        Agility: I don’t generally do vocal runs too much but i can execute simple ones. The more advanced ones i attempt become pitchy and laggy. I generally like post hardcore music with R&B kind of singing. Like Emarosa or Dance Gavin Dance.

        Additional notes:
        Why i think i am a Bass is that i’m currently just 13 and i can floor a G2. Seeing as my voice will keep growing until i’m 23. I’m sure that i’m a future bass and while i seem underdeveloped. I pretty much have nowhere to practice singing in peace without knowing that others are listening and it makes me anxious. There are no vocal coaches in my town either. Also i have this weird nasal/whiny like quality to my voice. It’s something you can only know when you’ve heard it but it’s lately been really bugging me because it’s like all for nothing when my voice has this weird quality to it.

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      2. G2 …or D2 even is not an indicator of a bass, you sound like you’re very likely to be a baritone. You should show us your singing instead. Support up to G5 with head voice? That is really hard to do if you’re 13 and untrained. I think I’d rather hear you than give you a rating blindly. You shouldn’t focus on ratings, you should focus on practicing technique and breathing.

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      3. I come from a family of singers so i naturally know how to use the lower part of the lungs however as i said i’m pretty untrained. Also i meant with reinforced falsetto not head voice (typo) and it’s not always that i can actually support up to G5. But as i said i have nowhere to train my singing except when my family is not home which only lasts about 3-6 hours. I sometimes also struggle with “using” my diaphragm if you get what i mean. Anyway do you have any tips on what i can do because i have nowhere to practice?

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      4. Well I’d practice in a basement, bathroom, shower or anywhere I wouldn’t care about others quite honestly. This issue is a bit beyond me.

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    2. I am writing to require an analysis on Kim Bum Soo’s vocal ability. Your published materials have amused me very much. I’m just curious what you, the team, think of him. Personally, I would think he is quite a competent singer for his musicianship, his ability to run through difficult melisma with ease, and his voice seems to be in good condition after all these years.

      Would that be possible? Thank you!

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      1. He seems like a technical competent vocalist yeah. He has issues with his technique and for his status as a “legend” he’s not quite up there with the others. He will be analyzed, no worries.

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    1. Oh of course we have, I’ve heard pandayeu and emasika/akisame and we know because we know enough to be able to judge ourselves vocally… I’m the only one who’s not an average vocalist level lol its our cute “get to know the authors” page~

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      1. Do you have any underdeveloped register? I’m suddenly curious hehe x3 and is it possible for a baritone to have an underdeveloped lower register?

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      2. Of course, I mean I’m a baritone and my lower range is more developed than John Park’s, who is also a baritone.. but his falsetto is much more developed than mine! So yeah for me, my falsetto is my underdeveloped register, I can sing with a very powerful heady mix or a soft falsetto but I have issues controlling the pitch and dynamic and keeping my sound support and yet soft in the fifth octave.. it’s definitely my weakest area.. also I have a friend whos a bass baritone and he can hit C2 if I make him do it right, but usually his range stops at G#2 cuz he starts to lower his larynx too soon.. I mean he can go lower but there’s no tone

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    1. @stella nate
      Nothing like you’d hear in kpop, since Ahmin’s a baritone lol. So, according to himself, he’s as good, if not better, than Taemin :O dats beast mode

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      1. Ah entendo, alguns de nós aprenderam na internet e tiveram só algumas aulas ou coisa assim, nada muito formal… por isso que no meu, eu adicionei o que eu fiz em termos escolares.

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  1. What about adding the voice types as well? 😀 I don’t know some of the authors’ gender haha but their vocal ranges makes me wonder

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  2. Awesome site!! Just one request……not ‘really’ ‘Kpop’ per se …… but nevertheless still quite popular in Australia and Korea for winning Australian X factor…. can you do an Analysis of Dami Im’s voice? If so, that would be great. I have always wonder how she compares to Kpop singers. Cheers!

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    1. An analysis on Dami Im? Mhmm I’ve heard her sing before and she’s pretty capable, but she’s not great or anything either. I’ll think about it.

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  3. Oh Josias is inactive. He made a video and I’m wondering what video he put in it. Does anyone know?

    3:27-4:03 Wow that note at 4:00 is so amazing! She is such a great vocalist!

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    1. At the top, it said the name of the musical “Elizabeth”, so I looked it up and found the video:

      Also my mistake, they were all A5’s and F5’s, no G#5’s in the beginning at all.

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      1. Thank you! And thank you! Just what is the note at 3:54? Lol i have good news so I was just over my friends house and then we did a challenge to see how low we can go and we went down to a D3 on the piano!!! Then we went up to a C6, but she stopped. So I have 4 octaves! YEAH!!! Hmm, I want my friend to have 3 octaves. I bet she can got up to a D6! But I was suprised by her D3

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  4. I’d like to one day contribute to this blog if that’s okay/possible. I’ve already gathered just about all of Jooyi’s live performances and have listened to her enough to have a general idea of how good she is. Can I do a sort of rough draft analysis for her and email it to you while you work on other analyses?

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    1. I mean if you’d like to sure, I’d need to read over it and see how it is and see if the information is correct and if the analysis is done accurately. Then if everything checks out, we can talk about it. E-mail me through my personal website on the team page.

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      1. Can you check this video? At ~0:24 does Jooyi swap from head voice to falsetto or does she stay in head voice? And what’s the highest note in her ascent thereafter? 0:57 her larynx rises? 1:20 to 1:24 what happened to her voice there? 1:39 is what sustained note?

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      2. I wouldn’t call what she was doing before 0:24 head voice, I’d say it was a very controlled head-dominant mixed voice. The muscles for the mixed voice were still working but the sound was mostly on the heady side. Jooyi copies Christina Aguilera A LOT which is a terrible idea. She is doing exactly the same vocal runs Christina does in this song, and the highest note she was supposed to hit was Eb6, but she couldnt and you can tell she is like “Ugh flat” @0:36, because @0:35 she hits a very sharp D6, but didn’t actually hit the Eb6. I’d call all of that falsetto for sure yes. Yes 0:57 her larynx raised, also she has a lot of tongue tension cuz she is trying to sound much thicker in sound than her natural tone. Again, trying to sound like Christina Aguilera. 1:20 she was flat, throaty and didn’t mix well.

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  5. can i apply to be one of the team? I’m currently teaching myself of vocal pedagogy and other stuffs that i must know about voice. im not a music student but I’m a music enthusiast. so maybe, if i am worthy, i can join the team. :”)

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    1. If you can prove yourself in terms of depth of knowledge and having a good ear, then I don’t see why not. So it’s up to you, show us your knowledge. ^ ^

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  6. Is it possible for me to help just by retrieving every video of a person singing? Do you think that that would help you by saving you time? I could compile a list of performances with dates and URLs for some of the people on the Future Projects list so that you won’t have to search for them.

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  7. Ahmin, have you ever had the feeling that when you sing, it sounds ok but when you hear it by recording it sounds, idk, a bit weird. Its not that the pitch or other things sounds weird, just the tone’s like different from what you hear in your head.
    When its become like that, which should you trust, the recording or the sound you hear in your head?

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    1. I’m not AhMin, but I am part of the team. ALWAYS trust the sound you hear on the recording. The sound on the recording IS what you truly sound like that is YOUR voice. The voice in your head is not what you sound like, at least not to others, to you, yes, that is what you sound like, but to everyone else it’s not what you sound like at all. The reason why it sounds weird to you is because you’re not used to hearing that sound..so it sounds off to you, you don’t think it’s you. The only way for it not to sound weird is to actually regularly hear yourself. Record yourself and listen..or listen to it with a more objective feel rather than “This is me singing”. There are actually videos explaining this.
      Here you go ^.^

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      1. Oh thank you for replying so fast. Oh so thats how it is. Because when i recorded the pitch was fine, the basics of singing was kinda good, but the tone is much more girlish and light and maybe childish than what i usually hear in my head. But when you re not familiar with the tone, the tone sounds weird for me so i ended up dont have much confidence when singing to others cuz i thought they will find it strange like me. Haha

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      2. Yeah when you hear you voice in you head because of where it resonates in your ear you believe your tone is deeper and more rich than what it truly is. But really the tone people hear is fine too.

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  8. Do you actually like kpop? This question is more directed towards ahmin. I understand you dont rate them biased, but thats probably why I am asking. Are you okay with listening to weak vocalist. Do you like them reguardless?

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    1. I love kpop lol if I didn’t I wouldn’t analyze kpop vocalists. I don’t mind weak vocalists if I like the song haha mostly average vocalists though

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  9. I want to ask something out of curiosity. Is it possible for someone with a weak innate voice to master all singing techniques and become an excellent vocalist? It’s kind of like asking if an average person who is typically deemed “talentless” could be on the same level as SoHyang? I ask this because you guys seem to understand the criteria very thoroughly (and I assume you all know how to improve your vocal to the point of excellence) but you don’t claim to be any higher than competent. Thanks in advance!

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    1. Well this seems like an interesting point, the thing is…a weak innate voice is irrelevant to singing because your voice will gain strength once it’s developed. Now we actually don’t want to seem cocky or come off as bitchy, two of us would be considered higher than Competent, but you have to keep in mind Sohyang is 30+, she’s been singing for longer than I’ve been alive. We have not had as much time to improve as her, so it possible to go to the point of excellence, it really just depends on how much you’re willing to do so and how time and work you put into it. We just don’t want to make any claims that would make people angry or would be controversial to be honest lol It is possible to become an excellent vocalist but it really depends on the time and effort put into it.

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      1. Thanks for the response. That’s exactly what I was expecting. I’d love to believe that innate talent is negligible compared to effort. And I can see how absorbed you are in vocal analysis, so that’s a lot of effort already! I wouldn’t be surprised if your rating were higher than Competent.

        On a different note, do you think the role of the vocal teacher is important in the process of training? Does the singing competence of the vocal trainer directly impact the trainee’s ability? Also, what does it take to be a great vocal trainer? Can Mariah Carey or someone of her level switch to vocal training now and start teaching other vocalists? I mean, I see this a lot (on The Voice), but I’m not sure how effective it really is.

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      2. The only way innate talent is important is how fast it will show improvement compared to someone who doesn’t have it. If someone practices wrong though, there’s no amount of innate talent that could help them. We have discussed this as well, we have agreed many times that a vocalist will not be able to get to a higher rating than their own vocal instructor, at least not by the vocal instructor’s work that is. So if a vocal trainer is an Above Average vocalist, given he only has that ability and knowledge, he would only be able to create a vocalist who’d end up being rated as Above Average at best as well. The only way a student could surpass their instructor is by having their own understanding of their instrument and applying it in a way their instructor could not teach them to do.

        A great vocal trainer takes theoretical knowledge and practical experience, imho. So someone should know the stuff but should also be able to perform the stuff and demonstrate properly. So of course you have to train your student to be do whatever you can do, I don’t know if Mariah knows how to tell people to do what she can do, I think she has practical experience but I’m not sure she has the theoretical knowledge to back it up

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  10. Hi, I stumbled upon your blog because of Sandeul hahahaha. And I read your review about his vocal skills. I also read the other reviews that you have here and I really enjoyed reading them. I like the fact that you actually give examples of the artist’s performance to further prove your point on their strengths and weaknesses. I hope you can do a review on VIXX’s main vocalists (ken & leo) ‘coz I personally think both of them are great singers. 😀

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    1. Yes they will be analyzed and thank you very much for the interest and support! We will get to VIXX as soon as older sunbaes are analyzed.

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  11. Hi. I would like to be part of the team but I have little to no knowledge about vocal pedagogy and such (.___.) I also suck at singing as my voice is……. nvm about my voice 😄

    Do you know any vocal lessons online that could help me learn about vocal pedagogy and develop my singing ability? Especially my head voice? Cause I really don’t know how to use my head voice. Every time I try to do a high note (or what I think I’m doing), it’s either cracked (I think) or just air. The only time I remember doing a high note (but only screaming, not real singing) is when I was 12. I could scream like a girl even though my voice deepened a bit. Now that my voice is deep, I can’t do those girly screams anymore (though I don’t know why I do those screams in the first place).

    Also, I tried to figure out my vocal range but I am not sure if I’m doing it correctly. (.__.) Like what I think my vocal range is is F2/G2-C5/D5 (w/o head voice cause like I said, I don’t know how to ise it) and I think I can do an E2 but I’m not sure as I don’t think my sense of pitch is good. And also, I feel like I hear somewhat a growling sound when I do anything below B3 (.___.)

    Anyone? Please help me ㅠㅡㅠ

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    1. I loved singing before I was 12 because I could imitate girls’ voices lol C5/D5? Without head voice? That’s pretty high if you’re mixing. You can show us your singing and we can at least tell you your range. I do offer vocal lessons online I just haven’t figured out how to do payments, so I generally prefer lessons in person.

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      1. Now that I think about it, I think my highest is an A4. Anything above it, I sound like something dying (.__.) My sense of pitch is not good so I don’t know if I’m actually hitting the note or just hitting the same note, only louder (.__.) And how do I show my singing? Should I post a vid on YT or email you (is that even possible?) And how do I show my singing? Like, should I sing parts of a song where it can show my low and high notes?

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      2. BTW, do you think this is legit? And his videos? I was doing what he daid while I was in the shower and while I was cooking some eggs (.___.)

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      3. In classical terms, head voice that we talk about for both males and females is arguable because a head voice for a male is actually what we refer to as their mixed voice and the head voice we talk about is always considered a falsetto in classical terms for males. Females is fine, it’s the same thing, but the terms for males can be different, not sure why. So what he’s calling a head voice sounds like a mix to me because of the term differences. He is lightly mixing though, it’s almost a head voice. The video isn’t bad at all.

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  12. I think I now know how to use my head voice….. or maybe it’s just a heady mixed voice (.___.) Anyways, I think my range, with head voice, is F2/F#2-C#5/D5 or F2/F#2-D5/Eb5. I don’t know if it’s really accurate as I used an app to know my range (.___.) My head voice, or what I think it is, is weak. Well for me it’s weak. I could upload a video of me trying to do the first verse of Halo (for low notes?). I don’t know about the other two :3

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    1. You can go on my youtube page and go to my contact form thing and just send me an e-mail and then send me an audio of you singing. I’d rather you just sing notes for the range part and if you want to sing a song sure, but the notes.

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  13. so the current active contributors are ahmin3, pandayeu, and frostprincess. do you guys know each other? i mean like have a meet in real life? i was wondering if you know what happen to the other contributors and why they are inactive now

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      1. so how do you contact each other? like share the job for analysis. you do that, i do this, and so on. you must be discussing it somewhere, right?

        ah, i can understand that. keep strong you guys, this blog is awesome!

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      1. lol, whats your thoughts about big bang, snsd and bts vocals? we all know that they are known for their music more than vocal ability. I hope YG attends Mama 2015.

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      2. Well we have analyses on Big Bang and SNSD, apart from Taeyeon none of these groups have exceptional vocalists. BTS is a very weak vocal group.

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  14. For FrostPrincess21-I heard that you are good at whistle notes. I wanted to ask you if I’m doing them right because I hear that if you’re not you can damage your voice. I started doing them 2 years ago because I wanted to have a wide range and be able to sing Mariah Carey songs lol. I love them so much and do them all the time. Here’s my whistle range yeah Bb6~D7 is really bad

    So are they ok? Are they healthy? Like I never learned how to do them (I taught myself) so idk if I’m doing them properly

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  15. Can I ask somethin’???? Can u make wendy’s Red velvet vocal range please ?? I’ve heard that she can hit until 4 octaves…. Is that true??? I’m really really curious about that…. and sorry for my bad english anyway… ^^

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  16. Can I ask whether Adam Lambert has a good technique or not? I consider him a very talented artist and he has good control of his voice, but I’m not a professional analyst, so I thought I would ask you. Pretty please? :3

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  17. Who does the team think is the best American singer that lived?
    (I know it’s pretty vague but I just have interest into finding out).

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  18. Hey, admins of KPVA. I’ve been reading this blog since last year and (together with the fact woke up that frustrated dream of mine to learn how to sing (properly). I want to make it happen. However – as I’m aware I can’t learn vocal pedagogy through self-teaching – I don’t know if I’m picking the right teacher or if his/her technique is good enough to call himself/herself a teacher. A friend recommended her vocal teacher and when I heard one of the teacher’s performances I thought she was good. But then again, what do I know? lol Could you help me out or at least give me some tips on this?

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    1. Well you have to take a lesson first, some people may be good at singing and not at teaching and some aren’t good at singing but can teach well. You have to check how much they can help you first, how you feel after a lesson.

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    1. I’ll copy paste what I said about it haha
      “I don’t agree with certain people being over certain people or specific ratings. I won’t comment on people who may be in the right section but not the right place, so only ratings I find to be questionable will be addressed.

      . Baek Jiyoung can’t produce resonance, sings through her nose and sings with tension outside Bb3 ~ B4, she is an average vocalist, I can’t see her being at the top of a B tier.
      . Kim Boa is still arguable but she gets easily throaty around Bb4, I know she’s most likely a mezzo but still…
      . Bernard Park was inconsistent with resonance before and his support can be shallow, I think he’s too high.
      . Hani has really weak support, she can’t support well above A4/Bb4 and she has an airy weak tone production, she’s very similar to Suzy actually vocally.
      . Dia has issues with Eb5 and has issues with an underdeveloped lower range, no true head voice from what I’ve heard and if it is, it lacks resonance. She should be A or B, or in between but S seems too high.
      . I don’t know Niel or Sungjae well enough yet but I am skeptical about their placements.
      . Changmin is much too high, as in TVXQ! ..he has shallow weak support, can’t support properly above F4 and sings almost entirely with a nasal closed throat sound..
      . Seunghee of OMG has really good placement and produces resonance with consistency up to B4, she should be higher to an extent.
      . I’m not sure about Kevin, V or Youngjae yet but I think they possibly have better support than the other D vocalists, they could potentially be C, but I’m not sure yet.
      . Some of these people lack enough material to be rated at all like Chanyeol or Hyerin…
      . Roy Kim COULD be higher but I’m actually not sure, I really need to listen to him more..

      I know they don’t put people in between ratings but if they did then I’d have some other changes but actually for the most part this seems pretty on point so good job to them. If anybody is wrong, they’re not wrong by far. The only people I think are definitely far off are Dia, Jiyoung, Hani, and Changmin really…

      If I were to address other things, they don’t vocalists who are in between but we do so we’d rate Ailee, Kyuhyun, Hwanhee, Yerin, Lee Hi, Raina, BoA, Seohyun, Jessica and such as in betweeners, not on a single rating but this is not bad.”

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  19. Ahmin you have supported G4s now? Wouldn’t this make you a Good vocalist now based on the criteria? 🙂 Can’t wait to hear those supported G4s in a future cover or something~

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    1. Actually I’ve been trying to think of a song where I wouldn’t disappoint people when showing G4’s haha I’ll try to post a cover like that, I promise. ^ ^

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  20. Hi Admin!

    I’m planning to pursue a degree in music after finishing ny current major (Marketing Management). I wonder if I can apply as a contributor once I have polished my skills enough?

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      1. Focused on vocal? Yup. I have been fascinated on learning the science of singing, after all. I want it because I want to be an extreme vocalist who focuses on ballad and, hopefully, RnB (because Mimi inspired me, too T^T)

        By the way, I’m currently saving money to enroll myself to a good vocal coach this summer (April – June). But I have some, well, decent background to answer queries on vocal techniques (well, after two years of trying to self-teach myself and failing miserably XD)

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  21. Greetings. Long time lurker, first time poster. I was wondering if any of you were watching Produce 101 and if you saw anyone with possible potential as a future vocalist, idol group or not?

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  22. Hello, I wanted to ask all of you guys something. If you guys had to rank yourself, what level would you guys be. I think I’m a Competent Vocalists or Above Average to Competent, I started singing at a young age, but I never really wanted to be a singer.

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      1. Okay, I can see, but, don’t you put videos of yourself singing on YouTube?

        Also, who is a better singer V or Jungkook, I feel like it’s V for some reason.

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      2. I do so if you want to make a personal judgment of my singing instead of having me telling you what to think, you can then guess your own ratings and keep it to yourself. ^ ^

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  23. Hello, I’m always here on your website reading analyses, and I have learned so much from you. So first, thank you.
    Second, I’d like to ask a question: I’m a very big fan of Mariah Carey since I was a little child, and because of her I’ve come to discover Minnie Riperton. She was an amazing vocalist, in my (ignorant, I know nothing about vocal theory) opinion, and critics claimed she had one of the most healthy technics ever seen for a singer (who could whistle like a bird). She was one of Mariah’s inspirations, and I’d like to know: what do you guys think of her, if you know her?

    Thank you in advance, and thanks for the hard work poured here! I was also shocked when I discovered you’re a fellow Brazilian, Ahmin hahah

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    1. Oh hi there!! Thank you so much for reading and following our blog. ^ ^ Unfortunately I don’t think any of us is truly very familiar with Minnie Riperton vocally, all I know of her is how well developed her whistle was. I apologize for that. Also haha I guess you could call me Brazilian lol

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      1. It’s alright, there’s no need to apologise. She surely was a monster on whistle notes, and her musicianship was very interesting as well. Still talking about whistle register, what do you think of Mariah’s, in general? I heard she didn’t have the best technique, and that could have damaged her voice and even her range. Is it possible for men to sing whistle notes as good as women?

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      2. Yes it is possible and Mariahs whistle is great. Mariahs decline was due to a health reason, vocal nodules, not bad technique.

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      3. Oh so I wrongly understood that her vocal nodules were what helped her achieve her whistle… I think she said so once, or I’m too dumb to interpretate. Well, I hope she takes really good care of her voice, she seemed to be recovering slowly. Also hope she releases a new album soon.

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    1. Not bad at all! I am not sure I’d call her a Soprano but… yeah her mix just gets very very heady above C5, which is somewhat a technical flaw since it indicates lack of development of her muscles above that range. I wouldn’t say resonance is produced above C#5, her D5’s may have support and even her Eb5’s, but the resonance is gone by then. I wouldn’t say her mix is balanced, it’s actually very heady and so she loses the forward mask placement the higher she sings. I’m not sure she’d be rated as good either. Competent to Good? Her head voice is very nice up to G#5 actually, I’ve never seen a vocal range video for her so I was very happy with that.

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      1. Oh, my bad. I should really have trusted my instinct for judging those C#5s and D5s >_< I really don't know but I feel like there's a faint "bell-like" sound when I first listen.

        You are also doubting that she's a soprano? LOL. When I first listened to that vocal range video, I was actually astonished how good those E3s and F3s are. It also sounds darker than Mariah Carey's E3/F3 in Vision of Love. It also sounds more relaxed. I just decided to consider her a soprano because of the sound of her mixed voice (as you can see, I didn't know it is a head-dominant. Now that explained why I never heard her sing with an optimal resonance).

        Last question, what more to improve for my analysis, aside from the pitch (I didn't include it because my ears are not sharp enough to criticize pitch and intonation)? I really want to be a contributor of this site someday 😄

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  24. Hi Admin,

    Recently found this site and just read few of your analysis. I think you guys did a very great and professional job. And I’m happy to see that the admin are also very responsive to comments. 🙂 I’m not an expert but Yoseob, IU, D.O & Lee Hyuk from Norazo are few of my fave voices of Kpop. I don’t know if you’ve done the analysis or seen the video but I’d really love to hear your comments on Lee Hyuk Norazo for this video.

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    1. He was straining a good amount of that. There’s this obsession that many people have with tenors singing as high as Sopranos. Lee Hyuk has the tendency to mix all the way up to G5 and he did so in this performance, he had good support and placement up to G4 but on B4 and above it all became too light, too heady and too screamed. He tends to lift his larynx and sing with a lot of vocal pressure. I personally don’t understand the appeal of males singing in the fifth octave because I don’t know a single pop tenor who can consistently support above C5/C#5, and even finding tenors who support that high at all is very very hard.

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  25. Hello admins, just dropping here to say thank you! I’ve been reading this blog and The Vocals Thread for weeks nonstop, and I’m so grateful you spare time to write all these, they’re very helpful and educational. I really appreciate and admire you guys, bless y’all.

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  26. To the great friend/ vocalist ultimate Ahmin and for those who don’t know:

    Although other people may have contributed to the blog, I do not wish to undermine them but I write here to talk about Ahmin. Ahmin is the blog’s face, its main contributor, heavy hitter, and most dedicated as of now to the blog. You have been/are a fantastic teacher. Very few teachers singing and not singing are at your level.

    As a vocalist/analyst, you stay completely on key with your beliefs. You argue with objective technique only and have taught many people to think objectively about singing skill to see the bigger picture. With this belief, you have written an immense amount of analyses. I think it’s nearly all of those on the blog. You even analyze non lead vocalists and provide endless insight.

    As a teacher, you have had the utmost patience with so many people and have been so attentive to all of our questions. I am no exception to that list of people. I have asked questions about all sorts of Kpop male vocalists and questions about singing technique and singing health and you have been there to answer each and every single one with a ridiculously fast response time, usually ranging from one to two days. You have also given many many preliminary evaluations to aspiring vocalists. I was about to ask one myself actually, but my friend is in need of rest, and I wish him no more responsibilities.

    As for me, I arrived to meet this blog during late 2014. I wanted a vocal analysis on Taeyang of Bigbang and my first message with Ahmin was through Yoseop’s vocal analysis, regarding Dongwoon. Little did I know we would have such a happy vocal journey together.

    As a friend, he and I have shared jokes as to how we are jealous of bap youngjae’s face and shinee jonghyun/minho’s bodies, haha, how and Hyunshik and minhyuk from btob are hot,lol. how the uncyclopedia article about baritones and tenors is pretty funny. I also remembered he helped me by answering questions that were part of an interview, which in turn would become part of an academic paper on this blog itself.

    As for the present, this blog is the only true kpop source of objective vocal information. Everything else is a faulty carbon copy or simply a place to talk about emotions and pretty voices. In the grander scheme of vocal blogs, I have dug into the ones for american music and others. None are as great as this one. Not divadevotee, the place for vocals, nothing comes even close to this blog. Nothing compares to the quality of its criteria, its writing, its clarity. In addition, in contrast to other blogs, this blog highlights the strengths and weaknesses of vocalists. Said weaknesses entail some bad habits that can actually create vocal nodules and other vocal health problems. And many of the followers of this blog imitate and look up to the vocalists analyzed in the blog. Thanks to Ahmin and the team, many of us have avoided vocal health problems.

    As for the future, to my good friend, do what you want. If you want to come back here in small intervals, and not as constantly as you have been doing, do it. If you can’t ever come back or choose not to come back, don’t worry about it. With all of the analyses you’ve written, all the questions you’ve answered, you’ve more than earned a good rest. Take that long awaited vacation. You don’t even get paid. Either way, I ‘ll be here to support you and I’ll be eager to await your return, no matter if its the blog or other solo projects.

    I could go on and on. However, right now, there is nothing more fitting than this:

    Thank You, Dear Friend

    From Rynavoc,

    Current Good Vocalist or maybe Good to Great Vocalist, used to be competent before coming to the blog. Hardly a Kpop fan, yet a fan of the blog and Ahmin’s work. Forever grateful to this dear friend.

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  27. why is it that many of the vocalists that the big 3 companies’ producers/vocal trainers consider as ‘great’ and ‘very good’, y’all consider as not very good? For example JYP and YG has praised Taeyang on how good his singing is, but on his vocal analysis page, he’s considered a weak to average vocalist?

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    1. Vocal trainers who though? Producers know nothing about singing, they’re producers. They’re not supposed to understand what good singing is and therefore should not speak about it if they have no knowledge on the subject. I am not a producer myself, so I would not give my opinion about someone’s producing skills, that’s how I feel about them when they talk about vocal ability. Vocal trainers often don’t speak out about vocal ability either, so you’d have to give me an example of who you mean in that case. JYP is also not a vocal instructor, he’s an artist himself. YG and JYP are both businessmen and composers/musicians, they don’t really know vocal technique or how to sing well, they only work based off of personal opinion. They do know what sells, but not what “good” singing is, but they do know what the public likes to hear.

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