Debunking K-pop Vocal Myths #12: “Twice CAN’T sing!”

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14 thoughts on “Debunking K-pop Vocal Myths #12: “Twice CAN’T sing!”

  1. That is a really good video! But I’m afraid because you’re talking mostly about Twice in the title, people assume you’re a defensive fanboy of Twice and automatically do not pay attention to what you’re saying, which is not entirely about Twice actually. Maybe something like ‘These groups CAN’T sing!’ and then put one or two more groups to compare (like GF and Girls’ Day you’ve already used) along side with Twice would be effective to preventing people from jumping to their conclusions formed from assumptions.
    I know it’s not your responsibilities to make people listen carefully to what you say and you actually have ‘put a disclaimer’ at the end of the video, but you know people… so to let your message come through clearer and easier here’s my suggestion.
    Thank you for this video though, the message is important!

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  2. I think the problem with twice and many other group is that sometimes they can’t even “hit the pitch kinda and get it right once for the recording”. Even in the post-produced tracks, twice still doesn’t sound good. just listen to momo’s and mina’s part in signal… all the auto-tune in the world couldn’t cover how horrible they were. I understand that not all kpop group members need to know the basics of vocal technique, but for somebody who makes a living off of music, they can at least do the very minimum. That obviously doesn’t stop people from enjoying their track, but if even auto tune can’t save twice/other artists, the criticisms are warranted.

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    1. It’s not like JYP Ent. wanted to train them and Momo and Mina refused directly (applies for any other agency&idol combination). It’s mostly companies’ and fans’ fault that so many idol singers aren’t properly trained. Check this video of Bom, for example

      one of the top comments is about how Bom is much better than Taeyeon because “how effortlessly she can belt” and “how Taeyeon’s voice cracks and Bom’s doesn’t”. Imagine that you are Yang Hyunsuk and you saw these comments, why would you even bother to train your idols? Of course there is nothing wrong with liking Bom’s voice, but you see that fans are very clueless about vocal technique and they like to overly defend/boast about EVERYTHING their favorite idols do. Sadly, fans can’t give constructive criticism because of this (if you do, you may be labeled as a hater or an anti) so companies see vocal training as a waste of money.
      You may argue that they could get vocal lessons before they became trainees. Imo those who get trained by their parents/an instructor at a very young age are very very lucky. In where I live, I don’t know a single person who can support his/her voice, and vocal lessons (legit ones, which are really rare) are extremely expensive.
      To sum up, fans and companies deserve criticism much more than idols, lol

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      1. Well that’s the reason why bom career literally over , her vocal cords keep losing its ability over the years , while taeyeon is one of the most respected young singer in korea . Fans who are clueless , praising their fave for using wrong technique . It can’t be helped

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    2. Well again it’s not like Twice is the first to have these issues and certainly won’t be the last. Have you ever heard idols from the 90’s singing? They’re literally flat in studio because the budget back then wasn’t so good to cover it all up. It’s a sad reality of the industry really, I’m not criticizing Twice because they’re victims of this industry.

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  3. The majority , the main demographic of kpop fans are teenagers , girl in particular. At such age , I think something like kpop give them a feeling of ” belonging ” ? Most of the haters are bandwagoners (teenagers)cause for them , its trendy in a way to be in a community, have the mindset of hate like others. Sometimes I find the group doesn’t sound that bad ( of course not in vocal technique) , but some commenters still express their dislike . I mean its not like they need to be good , they’re called idols for a reason.Some years ago , there’s this trend of hating SNSD too , in my country , they were called AFS and tbh , the fights were immature af . Years later , most fans grown out of kpop and find such moments embarrassing for both sides . It happens, then at a point , when the current kpop fans grow old , they start to mild down and look for music from other sources i.e US. This somehow happened to EXO , back in 2012 something fans were crazy , anti fans were too and 5 years later , BTS is the next big thing

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  4. AHH I didn’t realize I logged in with Facebook above and don’t know how to delete it HELP lol

    Personally I think that every performer should aspire to be the best they can be at whatever they’re performing. I mean sure, if you’re a vocalist and not a rapper you don’t have to rap. But if you’re a vocalist of any kind up on that stage you should be able to sing. If you’re doing choreography in front of millions of viewers you should be able to dance. It sounds harsh but if you’re gonna perform, do it right. Since I’m a MT major and not just vocals I have sort of a different take solely because you can sing and dance at the same time even though it’s difficult, and you should always be able to carry your weight in an ensemble. You are only as strong as your weakest member. There are no small parts, only small actors. If you only have two lines, you sure as hell better kill those two lines.

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  5. Hello, Ahmin! I’m new here, but I must say how grateful I was when I found your web. I went to vocal training when I was 9, but stopped at age 16 due to some reasons. Now I’m 20, and eventhough I’m still singing, I realized that it’s getting hard for me do certain notes, which made me reflect on my lack of practicing vocal techniques. Finding your web is the best thing happened to me today, it feels like having a vocal mentor again. Thankyou.

    What I really want to ask is, is it already too late for me to improve the techniques? And how much practice do you think is best to be done and which technique which I should start practicing first? Thankyou so much for considering my questions, I hope you have a great day!

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    1. Of course not honey! 20 is still so young! I know many people who even start around 20, your voice isn’t even fully matured yet so don’t let age stop you ever even if you were 40 or 50! ^ ^ Well I don’t know where you’re at with your singing, but the support exercise in the vocal tips #8 is good for everybody I’d say, to make sure everything is in check technique wise. It’s simple but not easy. 20 ~ 30 min a day of exercises will show you a huge difference over time! ^ ^

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  6. How would the ranking of vocalists be for Twice though? I know Jihyo is the best vocalist in the group but who would be second? Nayeon or Jeongyeon? I think you’ve mentioned Jihyo as an average vocalist somewhere but where would Jeongyeon and Nayeon fall?

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