Vocal Tips For K-pop Fans #8: How to Support

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207 thoughts on “Vocal Tips For K-pop Fans #8: How to Support

      1. In the first sentence it’s says I am army instead of ahmin I gusse and violence those CC that showed in YouTube videos they full of mistakes…what’s the key of the song respect by Aretha Franklin??thank you 😊

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      2. Stop sending multiple messages, your link doesn’t show up because it’s incorrect and so it doesn’t work. I see it, it just doesn’t go anywhere.

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    1. At first I thought you were a guy with a very heady mixed voice. But then I realized you’re definitely a girl, I am not sure if you’re a soprano. You may be a mezzo. You’re a bit too heavy, on how you sing, it’s a bit too thick and you carry a bit too much weight. You get flat here and there, like at 0:17 0:20 dau 0:25 0:27 and such. 0:33 You have a very nice tone, when it comes out. When the chorus starts, you stop dropping your jaw and you start focusing your sound too heavily in your head and nose. It’s very heady but also fairly nasal, it’s okay if it were just heady but you’re pushing too much into your nose. Lighten up, drop your jaw and don’t be so focused in your placement. Relax more. You have potential, but the support lacks because there’s too much heaviness. Thank you for showing me your singing for the first time though!

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      1. I was always nervous to show my singing >0< But thank you so much for these advice! I'll keep them in mind and improve! So it is okay for me to post samples of singing occasionally? 😀 Thank you again!

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      2. Hi again! So I tried singing Sweet Dreams….Can you point out what problems I have, especially in the area of support and mix? I feel I strained as well in some parts (as I do feel discomfort in my throat after I finished) but I can’t specifically where.

        Thanks in advance!

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      3. You are using too much air, your tone has airiness coming through all throughout the audio. You also take very long and loud breaths, they became rather loud and restless as you sing. 0:52 try not to slide so much, you are making this song way too slow and you kept dragging the timing. You also need to enunciate less through your nose, when there are M’s or N’s, you should focus more on the vowels.

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    1. Hi honey! This is the first time I hear you sing, you have such a pretty voice. It’s very nice, soft and heady. You don’t push much, you don’t really strain your voice much. The problems that I hear is that you keep your throat too closed on sustained notes, you’re a bit too soft so when you want to get louder, you push too hard without keeping the sound focused. 1:33 when you do runs, even if they’re simple, you’re quite flat. Also 1:42 when you sang “Am” you made it sound like there was an R there and you pushed your tongue back in. Your R sound is TOO strong and you shouldn’t pronounce your R’s so hard, because you’re using your tongue too much. 1:47 I like your Ah vowel, it’s nice and opened, it allows your voice to stay more relaxed. Your Aye isn’t as opened. Your Ee vowel isn’t opened enough. 2:08 You could drop your jaw lower and allow more space, 2:26 two problems here, too much R, too much Ee, your jaw is barely dropping and your mouth is barely opened. 2:41 that is again too closed, drop your jaw and allow your sound to open more so that you won’t go flat. 3:04 You can mix pretty high, that’s nice if you’re untrained. You place your sound too high throughout the song, so sometimes there’s a lack of change in dynamics and tone quality. So you should learn to use different resonators. 3:52 your jaw is barely dropped, your mouth isn’t opened at all. 4:07 You do have a high larynx when you sing in the fifth octave. This is a Celine Dion song, so it is a diva ballad, which is often challenging so kudos for you for attempting such a difficult song. You didn’t do a bad job at all! I was pleasantly surprised~

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      1. Hi! Sorry for butting in the thread but what is a diva ballad? I mean, I know Celine Dion is called a diva singer with a handful of other artists but I didn’t realize that it’s a title that carries specific attributes…

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      2. Well a diva ballad is just a female ballad that’s demanding vocally, that’s how I meant it. Usually divas are seen as strong female vocalists, therefore a ballad sung by a diva would be a ballad that’s sung by a strong female vocalist, which would mean it’s probably vocally challenging and demanding. Some female ballads are just..ballads, they’re not power ballads. They’re just easy, like Everytime by Britney Spears.

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  1. Wow….thanks for all the praises and advices^_^ I’m glad I don’t do bad although I wasn’t healthy (I got cold a bit) at that day lol I will work hard to improve my singing^^

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      1. Hi! It’s me again. Yes I agree that ‘The Power of Love’ is too difficult for me lol May I get your opinion about what song that suits my current technique? I want to cover Taeyeon’s ‘I’ and Lee Hi’s ‘Breathe’ for next time but I’m afraid that these songs will become too difficult again for me lol

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      2. Hi again! I’m back with my promise(?) lol
        there’s my cover of ‘I’ and ‘Breathe’

        short analyses and some advices, please! lol thank you^^

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      3. Hi! You’re not engaging your vocal cords and keeping a tight enough stretch, I hear kind of a shakiness that happens because you tend to be too light and slightly airy the higher you go, so you go a bit in your nose and you stop opening your throat. Like there are no dynamics, there is no change in how you sing, it’s always light, slightly airy. It’s a bit too airy in the bridge, to the point where you lost the pitch for a bit. 2:41 that’s just a high larynx, you are not keeping the larynx stable and you’re not using the stretch of the vocal cords. Just a high larynx and air when you go above B4. Your voice is pretty. Rapping I can’t comment much, but it lacked flow.

        Your mix is still too heady, you barely sing with a chest voice which is okay to an extent but if you don’t develop the chest muscles, your voice will always sound quite light and airy, the higher you go the harder it will be to mix with power if you don’t at least balance your mix a bit more in the fourth octave, while also being mindful of your vocal stretch and support. Your falsetto transitions, you completely lose the placement and your voice kind of disappears very suddenly.

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      4. Thank you so much! Hmm….Let me ask you a question. One of my problem is too heady mixed voice. But when I use a bit chesty mixed voice, I feel that it’s easier to run out of breath. Is the problem in my breathing technique or mixing technique or….what is the main problem, and what to do?? Thanks again for advice.^^

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      5. If you are running out of breath more when you use a chestier mix, it means you’re not using more chestiness but instead more air pressure which causes you to run out of breath quicker. You need to use a thicker muscle, but not push more air. You need to first establish good stretch and support.

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    1. There’s an accent going on that can get of your way, because your vowels can get closed and your R’s are too rolled, so they use your tongue too much when they don’t need to. Your “I’m breathing fine” it doesn’t sound bad, your Ah or “All” and such vowels, get a bit too shallow and nasal. Otherwise, you don’t sound that bad, your Ee vowel is closing you. You need to drop your more and yawn slightly more to feel the soft palate lift on your mixed voice. Your throat isn’t opened enough, but the range of the song is good for you to practice. It’s good to be very careful when doing runs as well. This is Chanyeol’s key, right? He only goes up to F4, so that’s good for you.

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      1. oh haha you right indonesian ‘R’ is the way like that lol sounds rrrrrrr lol

        and how to sing with soft palate? i dont understand soft palate is.

        I dont know? sorry but who is Chanyeol? i was using video from Youtube, i’m forget the channel name, it just mentioned “low key” on the tittle.

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      2. Well put your thumb inside your mouth and feel the top of your mouth. That’s the hard palate. Move it back slowly into the back of throat and it will get softer. That’s your soft palate. Chanyeol as in from EXO.

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  2. Hi ahmin! (I hope I don’t put my comment on the wrong post) I’ve been wandering around this blog for quite a long time (this is very eye-opening and educative. I like this blog very much) and found myself enjoying every analysis, especially when reading SNSD and RedVelvet analyses.

    When reading analyses for male idols, I was quite surprised to find some of them to be able to support notes above A4… Well, I’m a 18-year-old Tenor (at least that’s what I believe. I’m in a college choir and my music director put me in the highest voice for male. My speaking voice is also relatively high compared to my friends, lol I hope that made sense) but A4 just seems… too high for me.

    During vocal warm-ups I usually go from F#2/G2 – G4/G#4, and I think that is my limit without including head voice or falsetto. Beyong G#4 I know I have to shout to make it audible (though I have hit A4 comfortably(?) twice but never memorized how the heck I did that). My comfortable range for me when I sing spans from D3 to F4/F#4, I think. I don’t know, sometimes F#4 feels too high to me, but sometimes G4 feels normal to me.

    So my question is (sorry for a very long prologue(?)), can my range (without head voice) expand beyond that? Do I just need to keep singing and training over time? Sometimes I just feel like “What’s the point of being a Tenor if you can’t even hit G4?”:(

    Thanks ahmin!!!:)

    P.s. I want to show my singing but I’m not that confident yet with my voice xD Anyway, sorry for my English (if there are mistakes).

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    1. Yes of course your range could be expanded beyond that dear!! But I can’t exactly tell you how cause I don’t know what you’re doing incorrectly that could be limiting your range… aside from shouting. If you’re shouting then that’s not going to allow you to sing higher. Your English is fine! Well try watching my latest vocal tips video, that should help you.

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      1. Thanks a lot for the reply Ahmin >.< I didn't get informed that you had already replied.

        I actually think that range can expand too, because if I remember correctly, back when I was in high school, I can't barely hit G4 but now it's reachable even though it is still kinda hard. If I try to hit G#4, A4, or Bb4 without "shouting"or swtiching to falsetto/head voice, the sound comes out weak and almost inaudible (I often tried this in my room because it made the sound actually audible). I am actually trying to sound like a baby just like what you said in the video, but I don't think I'm doing it correctly xD

        Yes, I personally think that your vocal tips videos are really–REALLY helping. I have understood how to eliminate nasality and am currently learning to support and eliminate airiness. I watch your vocal tips videos regularly in my spare time:D

        Thanks again, Ahmin!! 🙂

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    2. That actually sounds normal ahaha I’m in a choir too and out of the 3 tenors we have, only one of them doesn’t struggle on F#4s (and yes they’re all LLTs), let alone being able to support A4s. The thing about being in a choir is that you actually don’t really learn how to improve your singing? Like they just teach you basic breathing and that’s it. I only started training my head voice muscles when I was put into soprano in a different choir because in my previous choir I was an alto and alto parts generally don’t go higher than C5, and even then I could’ve actually just switched to a falsetto above G#4

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      1. So that is really normal… I mean I used to think it is, but after finding this blog, I don’t think it is, but now you said it, I think it is normal. Come to think of it, my choir teacher also struggles above F#4.

        Yeah, I think so too. The amount of knowledge I’ve earned so far from three years of joining a choir is actually lesser than what I’ve earned by roaming around this blog for months (this is why I love this blog so much xD)

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  3. Hello friends can I ask question I know this is stupid question really its but I need to ask it because its really hurt me a lot 😦 I really like to sing but I am not like the others most of singers may have bad techniques or even worst but they all still have beautiful voice tone their tone its so pretty unlike me I have bad voice tone what I need to improve my tone I just wanna have beautiful voice tone what I suppose to do..I was today in singing audition in school and all the girls were the same age of me but their voice were beautiful even most of them untrained singers they are not good at technique so I am.. but their voices tone just pretty I know I already asked this and you told that there’s a lot going on in my voice like tension closed throat and this doesn’t let my real tone came out but ah I still feel it my voice not pretty is there anything l can do to change or at least to improve my voice or any drinks I can try anything and everything..sorry I honestly feel shame to just even talk about it I know you would probably think I am stupid annoying girl and I am really sorry 😳😳 for such question

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    1. You don’t have a bad voice tone, the biggest difference between vocalists with very underdeveloped technique and normal people with underdeveloped technique is the control and pitch. Even though people like Suzy or Henry may have no sense of support, they generally sing within reasonable ranges and within a lower range they have decent pitch so they sound pleasant to the ear. That’s most of the time at least. For you the issue is that your sense of pitch is really underdeveloped, so your singing isn’t as enjoyable. It’s got nothing to do with your voice, you don’t have a bad voice, you just don’t have control of your voice. The tension also affects how your tone sounds. No I don’t think your stupid, I just feel sorry that I can’t help you and sad that you feel so bad about yourself.

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    2. Hello friend. To answer your question with my personal experience, it is my experience that good technique helps in unleashing the inner beauty of the voice. Once you can sing without tension and can resonate, even untrained and ”pretty voiced” singers could not drown your sound out. Once you learn to support, then you can focus on what styles really accentuate the natural prettiness of your voice. Those styles are what Ahmin calls use of dynamics (breathiness,etc.) Don’t give up. No one thinks you are stupid. But I will say this, you need to be confident in your singing. And that comes with good technique. You know you’re doing things right so you have no reason to feel bad. Please keep singing brighlty. 🙂

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    1. Well dear, as you know I usually try to tell you to sing something that’s in a comfortable range because singing in a range that’s way too challenging for you when you have yet to develop proper support and vocal stretch in a comfortable range actually slows down the process of improvement. So if you want to improve you have to sing a song that’s within a reasonably comfortable range so that you can develop basic technique before attempting to sing high notes, so I just don’t think this song was the best option that you could’ve picked to work on. This kind of song will only emphasize the tongue tension, throatiness and the bad habits you already possess and it won’t help you improve unless you have someone helping you through the process of singing this. But by the way you’re approaching the Fs, which btw should’ve been head voice for the first chorus and you were already pushing too hard, shows me that you shouldn’t sing songs that go above D just yet, or at least not constantly/often. But the low notes weren’t bad.

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  4. yes u totally right, as i said before i just challenging myself lol, singing so many F4s and a G#4 is not best choice for me. ^ ^

    can i ask something, how to light in mixed voice as baritone? sometime i want to sing softly and lightly in my mixed like what soprano & tenor do. is it possible to me? and give me recomendation baritone singer with light mixed voice.

    Btw Thanks Ahmin3 you re so kind to share the knkwledge to people u dont know, i hope u always healthy, safe & sound there, GBU.

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    1. The same way as for any voice, you just use less chest voice and rely on mixing properly and lightly. I’d advice really following what this video does. Trying to sing higher by being louder is counterproductive and won’t help you learn how to mix without relying on tension and air pressure. I have a light mixed voiced, so if I can do it, so can you. Unfortunately not many pop baritones do that. Thank you my dear for the good wishes.

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  5. Helo! I’m trying to improve my vocals cuz I would like to do auditions to some companies (not right now cuz I still need to improve a lot) but I need to know what. Could you please check this cover and tell me what do I need to improve. ( I know that my pitch is not perfect but I’m working on it). Thank you. (Sorry for my English).

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    1. For some reason, I knew that your native tongue was Portuguese. You don’t really have a very obvious accent though. Anyway, your English isn’t bad at all honey, would you rather me reply in Portuguese or English? Você tem usado os exercícios que eu mostrei nesse vídeo aqui? No de apoio vocal? Porque eu acho que iria te ajudar bastante se você usasse os exercícios, ainda mais com essa música já que é uma música simples e mais facia de cantar. Você parece ter uma voz meio jovem, e eu ouço MUITO ar que sai do meio das suas cordas vocais. Então você tem que usar as suas cordas vocais e conecta-las melhor para poder criar um tom menos sussurrado e mais conectado, com apoio de verdade. Isso também vai ajudar no seu pitch.

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  6. Obrigado! Eu descobri este blog esta semana então ainda não tive muito tempo para o explorar. Tenho 17 anos e comecei a fazer exercícios vocais há pouco menos de um ano, tudo o que sei (que não é assim tanto) aprendi sozinho e estive muito tempo a fazer exercícios de forma errada. Tenho ainda uma pergunta: como classificaria a minha voz? Pela minha experiência diria um lyric baritone pois um dos meus passagios situa-se no E4, (no entanto não sei qual visto que não encontro mais nenhuma nota instável como essa), e também porque sinto que a minha vóz está com mais intonação a cantar por exemplo “Counting Stars” dos One Republic ou a maioria das musicas da Ariana Grande uma oitava abaixo. Ainda não sei usar voz de cabeça então não faço ideia de qual a minha nota mais alta, no entanto sei que a mais baixa que ja consegui foi um D2 (F2 normalmente é o meu minimo) e a mais alta que já consegui em falsetto foi um B5 (Normalmente G#5 é o meu maximo) e por vezes sinto que o meu falsetto se conecta com o whistle e vou até ao G7 (raramente o faço pois não quero acabar com a minha vóz). Muito obrigado e peço desculpa por ser muita coisa para ler mas desde que comecei a interessar-me pelo canto que venho a acumular MUITAS dúvidas. Vou ver todos os videos dessa serie e começar a fazer todos os exercícios todos os dias (costumo dedicar 2 horas à minha vóz por dia na semana e cerca de 10 ao fim de semana) com esse novo conceito de “conexão das cordas” acho que vou conseguir realmente aumentar o meu rendimento na aprendizagem (e depois de explorar os videos e o site em geral ainda mais). Muito obrigado novamente!!!! (E sim sou português (sul de Portugal) :P).

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    1. Como é que você aprendeu a fazer exercícios vocais? Eu também diria que você parece se um barítono lírico mas eu não tenho 100% de certeza. Não se desculpe não faz mal não. Na verdade meia hora por dia é bom o suficiente, procure não forçar a sua voz.

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  7. Eu aprendi por ver e ler muita coisa na internet mas a maioria dos exercícios que via não os executava corretamente (pois não tinham uma explicação adequada). E por vezes eu talvez até conseguisse fazer bem mas não o fazia pois intrepertava mal o que lia na internet e acabava por executar de forma errada pensando que isso era o certo. Há bem pouco tempo é que eu pensei “Algo aqui está mal…” e comecei a aprofundar-me mais e a pesquisar em sites e canais diferentes para não correr o risco de “ir pelo caminho errado” e perder tempo a fazer as coisas mal.
    Outra coisa: se eu percebi bem, o meu problema é a potência e para o resolver tenho que trabalhar na conexão das cordas vocais, abrir o fundo da garganta, e conseguir o maior espaço possivel na boca (evitando a tensão na lingua) para haver ressonância e assim amplificar o som, tudo isto sem tensão na garganta. Ou seja produzir um som mais “forte”. É isso? Outra pergunta: é correto baixar a laringe para uma maior abertura no fundo da garganta? Desde já obrigado e parabéns pelo blog que tem sido muito útil!!! 😀

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    1. Ah sim eu diria que as coisas nas quais você tem que trabalhar estão certas. E não é ruim colocar a laringe para baixo mas é melhor fazer isso sem usar a língua e não colocar ela muito baixa para não criar um som forçado.

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  8. Olá novamente!
    Dei uma olhada nesta serie de dicas (embora ainda não tenha acabado) e tenho feito exercícios para melhorar o suporte. Eu não sei como soaria a minha “voz suportada” então vim aqui perguntar se seria assim que soaria ou pelo menos se estou num bom caminho em relação ao ultimo cover. Obrigado e obrigado pelos videos que têm sido muito úteis! nwn

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    1. Sabe eu na verdade preferiria se você me mostrasse audios de você fazendo exercícios, ao invés de cantando músicas, porque é mais complicado falar se você esta fazendo os exercícios direito. O seu pitch está bem melhor nessa música, mas ainda sim você tem uma qualidade que é um pouca sussurrada demais. 2:04 Você tende a soar meio preguiçoso, a sua dicção não é clara e por isso você canta usando slides demais, você meio que faz uma scoop para cima sem chegar na nota direito. Realmente o seu pitch melhorou, mas ainda sim ouço os problemas de antes.

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  9. Hi Ahmin how are you doing! Last time I posted you told me that I needed to be less airy and connect the vocal cords properly, as well as try to mix higher. So recently I’ve been trying those exercises to practise how to connect vocal cords properly and to mix higher and I feel like I have improved a bit but I’d like to check with you too see if I’m on the right track!
    On the link I covered Taeyeon’s ‘Fine’ and I wanted to know how my D4’s are? They sound and feel a little strained to me but perhaps the one at 1:33 came out the best haha.
    Is my lower range at the beginning ok? G2’s feel quite comfortable to hit at least.
    Also I feel like maybe my placement isn’t as good as before because I seem to sound a bit nasal on the B3, C4s in the chorus?
    Again sorry for destroying the Korean language and the highnote at the end! XD

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    1. Im good! How are you? Honestly I feel as though you always sing while pushing your larynx down a bit and it’s always like you’re yawning.. so your sound isn’t very natural in your lower range, you still lack connection. It feels like your vocal cords aren’t strong enough yet to handle mixing high, which causes you to sound shaky. This is all fine because indeed you sound cleaner, lighter, more connected, more well placed and supported. Good job!!! Your phrases Ds aren’t bad and you don’t sound nasal to me, but your sustained D was too wide with the vowel and too disconnected. You should keep your sound more highly placed for your lower range with a bit more connection but to me, you seem to be going in the right direction.

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  10. Ok! Muito obrigado! Enviarei exercícios da próxima vez então… Antes em cada frase que fazia (não quando gravo, mas quando pratico) começava com um “H” meio “respiroso” (???), agora passei a fazer com um vocal fry e tento manter as notas o mais proximo desse vocal fry (tentando fazer com que não o chegue a atingir mas no limite). (Desculpe se ficou muito confuso) Isso ajuda?. Outra pergunta: nesse cover houve algum momento melhor ou pior em termos de ar? Se sim quando? Assim talvez possa ouvir quando estive melhor/ pior e saber como o fiz. Obrigado novamente!!!

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    1. The rain is really loud lol I’m well thank you, hbu? Watch out for the timing in the second verse where the melody changes. Have I heard you singing this song before? A lot of the Ds are flat and you’re not really singing without your throat when you sing above B3. You’re often nasal, you’re not dropping your jaw and you’re not opening your vowels.

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      1. No, You have not, its first time.

        what should i do to sing without my throat in my mixed voice? it’s could be my bad habbit (maybe). i have tried to lighten my mixed, but it didnt work to me maybe i have no technuque to do that.

        what do you mean ” not dropping your jaw” ? is that in the good/bad way ?

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      2. Well have you tried the exercises in the video? It’s a bad way, it means your mouth is opened correctly. Not to the sides, I want you to open by dropping the jaw.

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  11. Hi Ahmin! This is my first time posting sing excerpt here so I’m kind of nervous:P

    Fyi, here’s my background of singing: currently 22 y/o, singing since 12 mostly in choirs and ensembles, only sang in falsetto (down to A3) until 19 y/o.
    ‘Classical’ or ‘operatic’ vocal training 13 y/o-16 y/o but recently questioning my coach since my vibrato was introduced with vocal trill exercise and now it becomes a larynx vibrato. And he did not teach any techniques about chest voice or mixed. (Probably because I seldom sing below D4 in the repertoires he gave me.) I never know if I’m singing with my head voice or falsetto. Chest/ mixed untrained. Falsetto regresses (a lot of airiness appears and strains a lot) since 17 y/o. Cannot sing above C# without using falsetto. I can scream or shout to A5 or Bb but I don’t know if I’ve actually switched to falsetto/ head voice.

    If you would listen to my singing, my questions would be:
    1. Do I support?
    2. If I do, do I have a very narrow supported range? (I guess I support up to A4, I hope)
    3. Do I often sing with nasality, tension (from anywhere), throatiness or shoutiness?
    4. Am I a mezzo or soprano? (I know it’s hard to determine because I’ve offered limited materials)

    (“Troublemaker” Me singing in a way that my voice doesn’t easily get tired after singing for a while, but it requires so much consciousness in breathing deep and I feel vibrating around chest area.)

    (“Troublemaker” Me singing in my usual way, probably more throaty as I feel throat vibrating)

    (“Price Tag” Singing in my usual way, always feel strained when I sing it. At 0:25 the C5 and D5 are forced and I seldom sing without falsetto because 0:33 is what will happen if I try to sing with mixed voice. LOL)

    And sorry for me singing off pitch and failing runs:P Thank you so much for your attention and reading my long post!

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    1. Hi dear! So you’re 22, that’s nice! You’re young still. I was expecting a lot more of an airy approach overall. So you don’t have much of a chest voice. I am very sorry for your story, it is kind of normal for you not to work on your chest voice much or work on even mixing much, because the idea of classical singing is around women sounding higher, more frail, lighter. They don’t try to belt and be powerful, they contrast male vocalists by singing almost exclusively in head voice. Their mixed voices are usually really heady, really light and more of the head voice being brought down than the chest voice being brought up and then blended with head voice. So it makes sense that you struggle with mixing.

      1. I believe you do, I really do. You have support in your mid range overall.
      2. When you sing up to A4, you tend to aspirate too much air. You sound like you keep gasping for air, like it’s hard for you to mix and to sing comfortably. You keep taking really loud breaths.
      3. Your throat will have vibrations in it regardless of how you sing because the vocal cords are in your larynx which is right by your throat. You’ll feel vibrations there no matter what range you sing in. You lack a clean connection of support, but you don’t really have bad technique. You’re not that airy in your lower falsetto and not really pitchy. Your runs have too much air, you use too many H sounds when doing runs but you’re not airy or pitchy in general. You are really shouty above A4, your C5’s and D5’s are really really shouty. You need to learn to mix lightly with proper stretch even if you start cracking, it’s fine just don’t force it out with a shouty and pushed quality. Your head voice isn’t bad at all actually. I can’t determine your supported range because you didn’t sing low enough.
      4. I would guess that you’re a soprano, untrained. I don’t hear your passaggi being low enough but I could be wrong.

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      1. Thank you so much for replying! It’s a relief to know that at least I have some support. There are some questions though:P

        May I know what do you mean by “clean connection of support”?
        You said that I don’t have much of a chest voice, do you mean that I sang mostly (or only) in mixed voice in the covers? And is it overall overly chesty? (Cause I have no idea how to mix head voice into it or ‘mix light’, even after watching your videos… Is that to trying to sing high in a soft voice?)
        Is the 1st Troublemaker better than the 2nd one (e.g. in terms of support or openness) or they are the same? Did I support that A3 in Troublemaker? I switched to falsetto only at the end of Price Tag. So when you mentioned ‘lower falsetto’ do you mean at the end of Price Tag? Cause you mentioned that I used head voice too but I don’t know where since I cannot distinguish head voice and falsetto… (I’m actually the person who asked you about this recently on youtube haha)

        Could you also comment on Price Tag like when did I drop support, tighten my throat etc. just like how you comment on other videos?
        Thank you in advance 🙂

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      2. Clean connection as in you’re not throaty, shallow nor breathy in your mid range. Oh no I mean you didn’t really show me your lower chest voice I meant. You actually mix with a very chesty mixed voice throughout. Yes singing softly and high is correct. They weren’t too different tbh, I’m not sure I’d say one was considerable better. No I didn’t think you used falsetto at all, it was at the end of price tag yes and it was head voice. Also you started straining on the pre chorus with the C5’s.

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  12. ahmin3 whats up i’m back, i take thesis this semester and also i have new freelance job hahaha so i’m pretty bussy but i still trying to learn vocal and do the exercises haha

    so i have recorded Taeyeon 11:11, excuse me you have said that this song is the easiest from her but i dont think so lol it’s pretty hard for someone lack support breathing like me haha, but the range is nice to me i thought.

    how do you think

    thanks in advance.

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    1. Well it’s okay for you to be busy. What bout this song is hard for you? Your breaths in this song are a bit too loud. You don’t sound that nasal and the range is easy and narrow. Again I would rather hear you singing the vocal exercises as opposed to a song in a language you don’t speak. Your accent gets really in the way of your singing. You use your tongue too much, you kind of thrust your jaw forward. You don’t enunciate Shi’s, Eu, or even like L correctly. Your Rs are too strong, all of these things create tension in your jaw and your tongue, Id rather work on your singing on easy vowel, so you work on developing support. Your pitch was really good in this btw, you were pretty relaxed so good job nonetheless. Careful with the runs at the end, they’re a bit too airy and a bit pitchy.

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      1. I don’t need to understand the language if I’m familiar enough with hearing it with proper technique to know that whatever issues I hear are because of faulty technique, not because of the language. I have my doubts about Vietnamese as a language cause I’ve never heard a Vietnamese singer not have the same issues as one another, which makes me wonder if Vietnamese NEEDS those sounds to be spoken in or sung in. For Indonesian, I know what it sounds like with more proper technique so whatever vocal issues I hear won’t be because of the language.

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      2. It’s an issue I hear a lot where the vocalists often sing with a lot of tension coming from the glottis closing off the throat, partially with a pushed down larynx and tongue tension that causes Vietnamese vocalists to push back their sound into their throats. The thing is I hear this in Vietnamese as a language when it’s spoken too, so I wonder if it’s something that is just part of the language.

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      3. It maybe because of their stylist choice of pushing down the larynx to create fake thickness in their voice. I’m sure people don’t do that when they speak. I can spot some low larynx, like in this one from 2:10 to 2:13. Am I right?

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      4. I hear a lot of pushed down larynx and glottal tension in that part, you’re right. There’s no support.

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  13. aaaaaah isso parece ser tão difícil D:,eu tenho o hábito de pressionar/forçar(principalmente para notas mais agudas) o diafragma pra tentar conseguir um ”apoio”,pois eu me sentia mais seguro psicologicamente.Depois desse vídeo vou ter que mudar alguns hábitos ;~;

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  14. Hi Ahmin! I’ve been trying to get better at singing (lmao i honestly am TERRIBLE) from learning stuff on this blog. I watched your video on support but honestly, it’s really hard for me to do those exercises. One of my many problems with my vocal technique I think is connection. My mix voice is very underdeveloped so I start using falsetto somewhere around A4 or maybe even lower. Since I’m a girl, that’s probably not a good thing lol. I try to stretch my mix out but my voice is so disconnected I almost physically can’t. As soon as I start going above G4-ish my voice will get super strained and I know that’s not healthy so I don’t force it. Sometimes I can literally feel my larynx going up the higher I go, but I also can’t figure out how to make it stay neutral. Any tips?

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    1. Well keep your finger on it, make sure it doesn’t move when you sing. Kind of yawn the higher you go, without letting your tongue slide back into your throat. It should counter the movement of the larynx trying to raise. also try to use the crackly sound to keep your vocal cords connected. You sound strained even as low as G4? Even if you sing softly without airiness?

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      1. Thanks for the fast reply! I’ll try the yawning thing. Yeah but pretty much my mix just kinda stops around G4. Like I try to make my mix more heady and keep my volume low… but even then I can only really strain/push out an A4. I’ve been trying to extend my mix since it’s very low, but I figure it also may be because the rest of my voice is so undeveloped. I’m not very good at identifying strain and whatnot, but I think I only have a few notes in my range where I’m relaxed. Whenever I sing along to girl group songs, I can never really follow them in my mixed voice. I always have to use falsetto because even a song mostly in the A4-B4 range is too high for me 😦

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    2. I used to strain G4s too! I’d crack on them even if I was warmed up because I was really, really chesty (I’m a girl too). Something that helped me was trying to sing very light like a Disney princess, singing on an easy vowel like ah, and trying to stay very relaxed. It may be a mental block too, because sometimes if I don’t look at what note I’m singing I can mix higher than I usually do. The more you think you can’t sing high without tensing up, the harder it will be. Idk if that helps lol

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      1. Really? It’s good to hear someone had a similar problem lol. I always feel tense around G4 no matter what, and if I sing around there for even a few minutes it starts hurting. Hopefully with enough practice and time I’ll get there eventually!

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  15. Hello my dear friend😀how are? Please can I ask questions when I sing no matter low or high I feel pain or tired in my throat and dryness why is this am I doing something wrong???😕 oh please another question where I should place my voice while singing I thought it’s mask but when I try to place it in the mask I end up singing from my nose how I can place my voice in the mask oh 😁 can you Please make a video about placement and pitch I am really struggling with those things and more tips about support😀 I spend more than month learning how to sing but I failed miserably I still sound bad 😁 thank you so much for your hard you can’t imagine how your advices encouraged me to improve thank so much

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    1. Im well and you? Dryness comes from breathiness and lack of hydration. Mask is correct, I’ve made a video about eliminating nasality. And about pitch, but that you need help, you can’t do it with just a video. You need help from a friend perhaps?

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  16. I am well too thank you 😀no I can’t lean on my friends they think I am suck at singing I guess all I can do is keep fighting thank you again I will send a record when I feel that I am improved somehow thank you sooooooo much😀

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    1. Hi dear. Actually you’re placing your sound in your mask, as well as your nose. There’s still a lot of airiness in your lower range and some flatness throughout BUT your pitch is a LOT more precise. You’re staying a lot closer to the melody throughout without changing the key and that’s very good! Make sure you practice vocal exercises too!

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      1. Hhh😀 finally little improve after some hard work..thank you so much of course I will practice so I still don’t support nothing it’s really hard to place my voice in the mask without sound like I am singing from my nose I use the NG sound is there any better way to know where is the mask place do I still have tension and closed throat problem…thank you so much by the way😀😀 you really helped me

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    1. Oh honey you have such a beautiful voice! I love your tone. “Standing here it’s oh so clear I’m where I’m meant to be” the starting note of each musical phrase was slightly flat but otherwise great pitch throughout. Your overall singing is really nice, though because you let too much air through your vocal cords, you sound overly breathy and the higher you go, the less connected, breathier and softer you sound. It also causes a lack of even airflow so you sound shaky and like you’re running out of air too quickly. So that’s what I’d want you to work on, connection.

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  17. Hi there, Ahmin! I really like your blog, but never commented here before.
    Recently, I’ve started to develop a interest in singing, but as I have never trained before, I don’t know where I’m supposed to begin or exactly what I’m doing. I recorded myself singing a song, could you please listen and tell me how it is. and any tips on where I’m supposed to work? I’d really appreciate it!

    http://vocaroo.com/i/s13oh61qBLkx

    Thank you very much!

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    1. Well hi dear! Thank you for your first comment! Is it more comfortable if I speak to you in English ou será que você prefere que eu escreva em Português? De qualquer forma, o que eu ouço quando você canta é uma mistura de problemas com a sua pronuncia no Coreano, já que não é a sua lingua materna, o que faz a sua dicção não ser clara, e o sua mandíbula parece que não move muito. Você também tem alguns problemas com a precisão das notas, que parecem frequentemente estarem um pouco a baixo do que você teria que cantar. Além disso, parece que a sua laringe está sempre meio alta, e tem ar de mais que passa pela suas cordas vocais. Em geral, eu trabalharia com os exercícios neste vídeo para melhorar o jeito como você vocalize, as suas vogais e o jeito como você posiciona a sua laringe.

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  18. At times when I sing, i feel this kind of ringing sensation in the bridge of my nose and my head kinda feels a little lightheaded afterwards. Is this because of nasality? I’d appreciate your insight on this Ahmin!

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    1. Not necessarily, no. It could be some sort of head placement as well and if it’s not in your nostrils, it’s not likely to be nasality.

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  19. Hi ahmin, Thanks to your blog and videos. I now understand the technical things of singing such as how voice works by diffrent registers. i now know how to use mix voice, chest voice or falsetto. at least that is required for beginner when learning to sing. but the thing is that I don’t really get it when it comes to support. i know how to use my diaphragm for breathing, But it’s just like I still don’t support at all. Cuz I never had a vibrato when singing. I tried as relax as I can, I have done so much exercise, Now at least I can hit the E4 Lightly. But I still can’t produce the vibrato. i think I just can’t support at all. I really frustrated. It just like no matter what I do, I just not the person who born to sing. Anyway you can hear my singing in this link: http://www.smule.com/p/450373755_1246045212 . I sing the part 2. I think I’m baritone. I need some of your advice

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    1. Support is a very abstract concept that has a distinctive sound that can be rather difficult to describe, so I can see why it can be hard to understand when you’re learning to sing. I think the fact that you’re singing in a language you don’t speak, namely Korean, it gets in the way of your diction a lot. You have a very closed vowel shaping for the throat and you sound tight throughout, even in the lower parts you sound like you’re tensing up the back of your throat muscles a lot when singing. There’s some nasality as well, but mostly I just hear throatiness and tightness. You need to sing with a lot more openness, softly, lightly, without engaging the throat muscles so much. You pulling your chest voice so high and pushing the sound so much makes you become flat, especially in the chorus. Have you tried singing softly throughout, with a lot less gripping of the throat muscles? On opened vowels? Without singing in Korean? Because that gets in the way, since you pull the sound from the throat a lot. I’m not sure you’re a baritone actually, you may be but you can mix really high. I hear mixed Bb4’s and A4’s in this, with a lot of chestiness and throat tension. You kept singing those shouty flat G#4’s in the choruses as well, you MAY be a baritone but this isn’t enough for me to be 100% sure. It’s not that you are a person who wasn’t born to sing, it’s just REALLY hard to figure out how to sing in a healthy way when you’re doing it by yourself. You have to really have someone help you and guide you, because you might not be able to hear your own mistakes.

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  20. Oh thank you very much ahmin, you help me a lot. I now understand what I’ve done wrong. It’s actually not only in korean. Even in my native language, I’ll sing like that. I think it’s just my habbit of speaking that I tend to use closed vowels a lot. Yeah, I could mix lightly, but it would give me more tension after I pass my F4 I tend to crack If keep it light so when I tried to free my voice up, I just ended up sing like that. I myself actually still confused wether I’m baritone or tenor 😂 actually I can mix up to B4, But I don’t have that high C to be a tenor. As of my voice break start around C4 and F4. It’s hard for me to not shouty and yelly above F4 or I will crack. as for tenor their voice break would be D4 and G4 whereas baritone is somewhere along B3 and E4. So I just think that I’m a blend between the 2 lol. Do you think I sound like Leo or he sings lighter than me?!

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    1. Cracking is okay! It happens when your vocal cords and muscles develop more, it’s better to crack when singing lightly than to shout. Leo? Oh no, Leo is not chesty like you, you sing with different vocal habits.

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  21. Hi ahmin, pandayeu and other admins,

    I just wanna say thank you for all the work that you put into this site. Because of this site, I’ve reconnected back into my go to stress relief, which is singing, as when puberty hit me, I felt like I lost my voice and I didn’t come out of my shell.

    The information here is vastly helpful in my quest to improve my voice. I especially found the video examples as well as the how to videos very helpful because it taught me what to listen for and overall, just training my ear.

    I still think I have a long way to go, so if you have the time, could you listen to this 1 minute clip and tell me what you guys think? I’d love to hear your thoughts.

    http://vocaroo.com/i/s1Hnu1rHxDuC

    Hope you guys have a great day and week ahead. Thanks everyone.

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    1. You have a beautiful voice! It’s a really nice rich sound. There’s too much air that you’re using though, also a bit too much throat being used, you sing with too much weight when you don’t need this much pressure. You need to lighten up a lot more without using your throat muscles this much, you don’t need to sing with such a heavy approach. Your diction isn’t bad, but sometimes it can make you sound slightly nasal and the F#2’s I believe sound like you’re pushing your larynx down too much. I’ve heard other few guys on this blog who have very similar habits and sounding voices to yours. It’s interesting actually. You need to let go of this much air, the H’s that shouldn’t be there, the raspiness, the pressure, all of that could be relaxed and your voice would be much freer. Right now it sounds really locked in and like you can’t let go because too many of your muscles are trying to control it.

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      1. Thank you for the feedback and constructive comments! The key points to take away would be I’m using too much air pressure and heaviness that leads to throatiness and pushing? I guess the reason why I was so “locked in” was because in my head, the “young wild american, come on baby do you have a boyfriend, rain on me blah blah” is all done on one long breath, and so I was trying to do that on one breath. Do you think that taking a breath in between the comma would help out with the air pressure thing?

        Also, I felt most of my abdominals being used as if I was running, and I didn’t really feel any pain or tension on the back of my neck and throat. Would you say that it’s the right way to go?

        Thanks again for your feedback and constructive comments!

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      2. I’m not sure that would be the only reason because the way you sing feels as though it’s just something you’re used to, to be so heavy and thick on your approach. Of course taking your time to breathe will help with the air pressure aspect but overall it’s not the only aspect. The abs shouldn’t contract when you sing, if you contract, you’re pushing. They should remain expanded.

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  22. Hey again Ahmin!! 🙂

    I hope you’ve been well. I’m trying to wrap my head around support and found this vid which has a sort of “test yourself” section towards the end to see if you can hear support or not (surprise surprise…you’re credited in it ^__^).

    I was wondering, if and only if you have some spare time, can you please check my answers? With respect to your rules, I have strictly only included the kpop artists that were mentioned in the vid. I’m a total beginner and still a little confused about the concept so these are most likely way off T__T

    12:54 (Bada) = unsupported?? actually no, it’s supported…
    13:06 (VIXX’s Ken) = supported + resonant?
    13:11 (Yeonji) = supported + resonant?
    13:47 (Kyuhyun) = supported + resonant
    13:58 (Ailee <3) = supported + resonant
    14:04 (Hyorin) = supported??
    14:11 (Park Hyo Shin) = supported + amazingly powerful and resonant (WHY DIDN'T I KNOW THIS LEGEND BEFORE? HE. IS. SO. GOOD, gotta read his analysis after this)
    14:25 (Son Seungyeon) = I’m probably totally wrong since she’s a highly rated vocalist on the site…but I don’t know, it sounds unsupported to me?
    14:29 (EXO’s DO) = I thought it was unsupported at first, but I listened to it again and now think it is supported?
    14:41 (Sandeul) = supported + resonant

    Phew such a long list! You're probably really busy so I wouldn’t want to trouble you too much with such a long list so yeah, feel free to ignore this if you don’t have time 🙂

    Have a good day ^___^

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    1. So hi it’s okay I kind of remember this test. Let me give you the answers. Bada throaty, Ken yelled, Yeonji high larynx, Kyuhyun yes, Ailee pushed but supported, Son Seungyeon high larynx, Hyorin throaty, Park Hyoshins yes, D.O. A bit pushed but resonant, Sandeul yes. Don’t confuse loudness for support.

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      1. why do I even try and make a fool out of myself? >_< the only thing I got right was my prediction that I'll get everything wrong lol xDDD but thanks ahmin ❤ you're a freaking god for being able to tell these things apart

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      2. that heart emoji just looks so wrong >.< argh, don't take it in the wrong way, i'm so used to putting heart emojis that it's become a very embarrassing habit

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  23. Hi ahmin, its me again. what do you think of my singing this time. I’ve tried singing softer and as relax as I can. Do you think I’m improved from that one?!
    Here is the link, I uploaded on IG :

    do you think I did it to sing softer?

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    1. See I don’t remember your last audio very clearly as it’s been a few weeks but I believe you’re very light during the verse, before you’re about to go into the chorus, you’re relatively relaxed. The problem is that you’re separating the notes a lot and placing the sound a bit too much in the nose while having a very unclear diction. I wouldn’t recommend singing in Korean.

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      1. the last time, you said it’s too much chest voice & it’s sound tight. thanks to your advice, I could try to fix it. as for the diction, I was trying as relax as possible while recording this one so I actually don’t care if I pronounce it wrongly, As long as I can relax LOL!

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  24. Hey Ahmin, I know you’re super busy but I promise you this won’t take more than 30 seconds.

    I’d like to know how

    1. The run was for Do What U Want:

    2. The head voice for John Park’s Rolling in the Deep:

    3. And the head voice for Tiffany’s FOOL:

    Thanks for taking the time to listen!

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    1. You went kind of off key at the end of the first video. The first run was kind of sliding, I didn’t hear the notes clearly. Your placement is too low, don’t push your larynx down so much when you sing. The head voice lacks support, it is just a bit too disconnected at the top. The Tiffany one had even more breathiness coming through.

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  25. Hi Thanks for the tips! I’ve been taking voice lessons for 1 year while my tutor doesn’t bring up these theories much, he mainly teaches me to keep my ribs expanded and use emotions to ‘throw’ out my voice, so this video is really helpful for me to understand a bit more about what I’m doing. I’d like to ask a question about developing support in my mixed voice, for the songs (mostly show songs) I’m normally taught to sing in my head voice from bottom of the 5th octave (I’m a girl, my tutor’s not sure about my voice type yet, though he gives me soprano songs), I think I only feel comfortable singing in my mix til B4 and the highest I could mix during warmups without feeling obvious strain is til C#5/D5 and I’ve just never tried mixing higher. I’m wondering if I would be able to develop my upper mix by staying in this range and try to relax and support better, or would it be necessary to learn to mix higher in order to support higher?

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    1. The exercise in the video should help teaching you to mix higher while remaining light without pushing. This will give you more range, what do you do for mixed voice for now?

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  26. My tutor seems to just call mix voice ‘chest voice’ and he doesn’t specify which register I should use or when to switch, but because he’s in head voice most of the time singing in soprano range so I just follow what he does. We do scales at the beginning of each lesson for 2-3 minutes, starting with ‘ah’ and changing to smaller vowels when I go higher. I’ve been following a Youtube video doing some humming practices and I actually tried your exercises recently, but I’m perhaps too used to using head voice, it feels quite hard to connect in my mix beyond C5 at all when I do it lightly (or I just can’t tell if it’s head voice or a mix), guess I’ll just need more time working on it?

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  27. Hi Ahmin ! I had post my recording before this. Before this I can only sing with only with chest voice as I cannot switch to mix voice. I practised singing for a few weeks. I just wanna see if I can sing with mix voice now. And do I support at all? I can detect that I’m still pushing and nasal as it become a habit for a long time. Its hard to change, I just wanna see if I improve or not.

    http://vocaroo.com/i/s0MLpRMJu9Hd SNSD – ITNW
    http://vocaroo.com/i/s0t23naBO76S If it is you – Jung Seunghwan

    Thank you so much 🙂

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    1. I went to check older audios of yours. I must say it’s nice how much you’ve improved your pitch. You tend to still go a bit sharp and flat here and there, before you’d just go flat but now you’re more on pitch. I hear also a lot of nasality, I think it also has to do with you not being a Korean speaker and often singing in Korean. 1:17 that was flat 1:23 that wasn’t as flat, but still you have to be really careful with pitch. 1:32 flat as well. I hear a brighter quality than before as well, but I think there’s much work to do be done when it comes to the diction, placement of sound and volume. You tend to pull from the throat and chest in the higher parts still, but the lower parts are lighter and more relaxed than before. I would say If It Is You is a better song for you, your pitch is a lot better too and you sound like you have more time to actually breathe. It’s a slower song so you don’t have to think as much about the lyrics and you can enunciate with more openness since there are more sustained notes.

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  28. Hi Ahmin ! I had post my recording before this. Before this I can only sing with chest voice as I cannot switch to mix voice. I practised singing for a few weeks. I just wanna see if I can sing with mix voice now? And do I support at all? I can detect that I’m still pushing and nasal as it become a habit for a long time. Its hard to change, I just wanna see if I improve or not. Hope you can give me feedback:

    http://vocaroo.com/i/s0MLpRMJu9Hd SNSD – ITNW
    http://vocaroo.com/i/s0t23naBO76S If it is you – Jung Seunghwan

    Thank you so much 🙂

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      1. Oh, okay2. I’m so sorry for sending it twice. It’s just weird that my second comment has already received before my first comment. I thought there was connection problem while commenting. Thanks Ahmin, it’s okay. Take your time 🙂

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  29. Hey Ahmin 🙂
    I hope I don’t bother you and that it’s the right page to write something like this ahaha. I’ve been following this blog for a long time and I know how much of a reliable source it is. So I thought I might ask you for advice ahaha

    I’ve been getting singing lessons for 3 years and although I quite improved (my vocal range goes from F3 to C6) I still have many problems with my intonation. I tend to go flat or sharp when I’m not paying attention and I have no idea how to improve that. Maybe it has to do with my support? My teacher says it’s because I don’t hear well the notes beforehand but I think there’s something more.

    Also my voice is very light and I discovered I couldn’t really belt. My voice’s accustomed to singing soft songs or if I’m singing something like Whitney Houston, I’ll tend to focus more on my support so I don’t shout or something and I know I can’t support my voice well with anything above C#5. I’ve never really trained for it but I’d like to do it without shouting or damaging my chords. What can I do?

    And still a third question ahaha. I watched your video about singing with vibrato. I sometimes sing with vibrato when I’m fully relaxed and stuff but only in my comfortable range. What can I do to improve my vibrato with lower or higher notes?

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    1. I used to have a lot of issues with pitch too, many times it was either me not knowing how to place the sound and by keeping my throat in a shape that wasn’t opened enough, it’d pull my pitch flat. If you push air, then you get sharp. It can also be simply muscle memory, where you’ve taught yourself not to sing the notes at the center of pitch. Can you mix or not at all? I’d have to hear you to be sure of what you mean by “can’t belt” and not “supporting above C#5.” The vibrato should come with support, if it happens in a comfortable range, it just means that for the other notes they have to become part of that comfortable range for the vibrato to happen.

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      1. Thank you for your response! So quick lol

        For the intonation I think it’s possible that I have problems with the placement of the sound. I often make mistakes with semi-tones.

        To be honest I don’t really know if I can mix well or not. I feel like it doesn’t sound good when I try to belt (especially when I try to add volume to my voice and then I just sing with my throat), and anything above C#5 is just strain. If I try to use my mixed voice, I feel like my voice is still really light and it’s not really belting? It’s just like singing normally but a bit louder? Sorry if this is confusing

        I saw you made a video about how to hit high notes. Maybe that would help?

        Thank you again so much ^-^

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      2. Hopefully, also watch the support video because it helps with mixing lighter without tension more, the high notes one may be a bit more advanced and only for people who know how to get rid of the tension.

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  30. Hi, Ahmin! How are you? I hope you’re doing fine as always! 🙂

    I’m sorry if this is not k-pop-related, but I’m really curious about many things around this video. I really hope you would want to answer 🙂

    Those male singers sang numerous notes in the fifth octave, for example maybe Adam Lambert at 1:23, Giacomo Voli at 2:50, Ha Hyon Woo (He’s korean!) at 5:53 or maybe Piet Arion’s C6 at 4:30. Were they using mixed voice or head voice? Are they doing it properly in a healthy way? Some people in the comment section said that they were using heady mix/head voice (They said heady mix and head voice are the same for male). Is it true?

    There is also someone in the comment section saying that supporting C5 for most tenors is “not hard”. Is that for real? Because in this blog, all I can remember supporting C5 for male are Kyuhyun and… Park Hyoshin?

    This one question is really not related to k-pop, it’s okay if you don’t want to answer:) Does Dimash Kudaibergen (you can see him at 6:00) have outstanding vocal technique? Just from that video though, was he doing great? Because people in the comment section said he was the best in the video, and in the other video, he was labeled “Shocking High Notes” along with SoHyang. I’m just curious, but it’s okay if you don’t want to answer this one xD

    Well, I guess that’s it. I’m sorry if I’m bothering you (and sorry for my English too if there were mistakes), I’m really looking forward to your answer, Ahmin! Thanks in advance! (have a nice day and keep doing great!)

    P.S. I hope I’m not posting at the wrong post…

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    1. Pet Arion and Ha Hyunwoo used head voice, Giacomo and Adam sounded more like a mix. Heady mix is a head dominant mixed voice which is not the same as a head voice. Hyunwoo used a mask placed head voice. No C5 is hard, don’t listen to the comment section. Dimash is highly overrated, he can sing high, but not in a healthy way. I hope you’re well too btw!

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      1. Ah, thanks Ahmin for replying! xD

        I personally thought that the only one who uses head voice (from the 4 I asked you) is Piet Arion (and Dimash’s sixth octave notes). It’s still hard from me to tell them apart especially when those head voices are loud.

        Ha Hyunwoo slided up from E4 (mixed) to G5 (head voice) without having noticeable cracks, right? Was that an example of “going through the second passaggio”? Sorry if my question sounds weird x.x Anyway since Ha Hyunwoo’s a korean, I feel like I should ask this, did he support that G5?

        Really Dimash is “highly” overrated? Well, it seems like I still don’t have enough ability to identify strains and supported xD

        Thanks again, Ahmin, for replying! I’m doing fine here btw xD

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      2. He did not support the G5, and he went way above the second passaggio. Yes I’m not sure I hear proper support when he sings usually.

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      3. He did the transition well, didn’t he? Does that mean “going through the second passaggio” have nothing to do with transition between registers? It’s just like going higher than G4/Ab4 for Tenors? (According to About and Our Criteria page)

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      4. Going through the second passaggio just means going through the notes where the second passaggio occurs specifically, not jumping above the second passaggio.

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      5. Can I ask one more question, please Ahmin? x.x Sorry, though.

        So, can I say it like this? If I sing Eb4 and then jump up to Eb5 (switching to head voice as well) will not be considered “going through the second passaggio, while if I sing Eb4 and slide all the way up to Eb5 will be considered so.

        Thanks, Ahmin, for kindly answering! 🙂

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  31. Hello Ahmin/Matheus! I am a big fan of your blog and I have watched all of your vocal tips videos.

    Im sorry and I know you are very busy, but could you please take a listen of my singing and can you comment on my singing technique & answer few questions of mine below:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4lWgaTTTcxeelFkbmhXUVk2T1E/view

    1) Do I support my voice and how (bad) is my singing technique XD?

    2) Which part of my singing technique should I improve on?

    3) Am I a baritone or a tenor?

    I actually have 2 months of ‘free’ time and currently I’m trying to spend my time doing all the vocal exercises from your vocal tips videos.

    Thank you for time!!

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    1. Hi dear!! Awww thank you so much, I hope the exercises are helping you one way or another!!

      1. There is a lot of tongue tension when you sing, I can see that English is a bit difficult for you in terms of diction and so it gets in the way of your projection and your support. You tend to not connect as much, your diction and placement become inconsistent and unclear. I’d need for you to place the sound more towards your mouth and have a less of a yawn-like feeling when you sing.

      2. Well I’d work sticking the tongue out to work on tongue tension. Hold it with your fingers and make sure it doesn’t block your way. You went sharp in the chorus and it was kind of off key, so be careful. This is a very big song, it takes work so not bad!

      3. You seem more like a baritone to me.

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      1. OMG thank you for the time to reply and answer my questions!

        Ohhh yes I agree, it may because of English is not my first language and so I maybe kind of trying to pronounce the words ‘properly’ without sounding weird hahaha.

        And thank you for the tips and advise! I will work on the tongue tension! 😀

        Once again thank you so much!! Looking forward to future analysis and videos~!

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  32. Hi! This is my second time posting my singing here, would you mind listening to it and give some comments? I just started singing this song yesterday, so there’re some moments I sound quite uncertain cause I didn’t remember how it should be.

    These are recorded on different days (Just 1 day apart though):

    (This one after 3:05 you may skip ahead to 3:46 cos in between I accidentally recorded with my earphone mic instead of directly to the phone)

    1. I think I support, not strong. But may I know if it’s shallow/ average, and is it consistent?
    2. I thought I support G3/Ab3-Ab4/A4, may I know if that’s accurate? Recently I think my supported range might be actually smaller.
    3. Above A4 is not supported. But is it not as shouty/ throaty? (Towards the end of the 20170629 one – that’s shouty, am I right? May I also ask for your comment on that C#5 at 3:09 of the first recording? That’s the most not-shouty one I can get)
    4. Am I lowering my larynx from Ab3 on?
    5. Is my mix chesty?
    6. Is there any difference in the quality of the first recording and the second (mostly verse 1)? Verse 1 in the second one sounds a bit more round, clean and solid to me. I did do something different in breathing, but it could be no difference in quality at all.
    7. Is my placement too backward – not nasal though I guess – and am I not lifting my soft palate? It doesn’t feel and sound projected, and honestly I couldn’t and can’t tell if I’m lifting it from the days when I took vocal lessons until now…
    8. I sing with immense shoulder tension, do I also have quite some glottal tension? Probably not too much jaw tension, although I think there’s some tongue tension too?
    9. Did I stay relaxed most of the time, or did I push/ strain without me knowing?
    10. I guess this song is suitable for me? Seems most of it is within my supported range. I practiced Jojo’s Rise Up before (A3-F#5, above B4 I sing with head voice) but weirdly the F#4 in Rise Up feels higher and more tense to me than in Between the Lines… And overall I don’t feel as relaxed as I sing BTL.
    11. My voice doesn’t sound it’s at its mid-range at Gb3 and Ab3. Bb3 it does sound so though. I’m more possibly a soprano than a mezzo, am I right?

    Please excuse my long list of questions! Cause I really wanna make it specific so that I know what to work on. I probably don’t make a lot of improvements, but at least I hope I’m on the right track. Thank you!

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    1. I absolutely love the lyrics and it really suits your voice! I’ve never heard the song, but it’s great.

      I love the detail to your question, so I’ll do my best to answer thoroughly!
      1. There is a huge difference between the one on the 29th and the one on the 30th, you’re a lot more sure of the melody and so you’re a lot more precise with your stretch and connection. There is a bit too much breath escaping on the lower notes though, so be careful.
      2. Ab3 ~ A4/Bb4, I agree with that. It’s inconsistent because you’re inconsistent with how you manage your air, and how relaxed you are …1:55 for an example on the 29th, that Bb4 was really well approached. 1:48 on the 30th also not bad. But for some reason you’re a lot shoutier afterwards when singing B4’s and C#5’s, which you weren’t on the 29th..well not as much.
      3. Some of the notes, as I just pointed out.
      4. Sometimes I hear a lowered larynx, but it’s not too much. It sounds like it’s in the process of developing.
      5. Above Bb4 it’s chestier, below that it’s not too chesty but it could be lighter. You rely too much on the air pressure, without letting the vocal cords do enough work. You actually remind me a lot of myself in 2015, before I changed my vocal approach. It’s funny because I just heard a recording of me in 2015 and support was there, but I didn’t use my vocal cords as much as I could have and you do the same. You tend to breath out more air than you and the vocal cords just aren’t sustaining the sound enough on their own.
      6. No, like I said, there is a clear difference. The first one is unsure, the support is really wobbly and shaky on the lower notes and the verse, but the second is stronger. But you’re pushing harder on the second one. You had some better moments of head voice though in the second one, compared to the first one.
      7. You and me, always between the lines..whenever you sang “me” you would go too much in your nose for that note, over and over. I would agree, there is less of a lifted soft palate at this point.
      8. Glottal tension? I just hear mostly throatiness when you go higher, just way too much shouting.
      9. You seem to know exactly when you strained and when you didn’t actually, I did point out some parts to help you be sure. When you started getting louder, for both recordings, right off the bat you weren’t using enough support and vocal cord stretch, you were pushing too hard. It stabilized as you kept going but it could’ve been a better controlled airflow.
      10. This song is a very good range for you to practice in, although it’s a bit high. Try to copy how Sara mixes, it’s very bright and it’s pretty clean. At least recently it is.
      11. I do think you’re more of a soprano, yes.

      No problem, I love the specific questions. It really shows your learning process well.

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      1. Thank you so much for your detailed reply!

        2. Up until A4/Bb4, that’s more than I thought… So does that mean the Bb4 at 1:55 of the first recording was supported? That’s my very rare if not the first time I can sing a Bb4 with that quality.
        4. So I’m lowering my larynx without me knowing… How to tell exactly if I am lowering my larynx? I sometimes put a finger at my larynx, but it does move very slightly when I descend. I guess that’s natural? I can tell I’m lowering my larynx as I feel a noticeable larynx movement at F#3, but above that (including G3) it’s quite consistent with my larynx position when I sing in my mid range.
        5. Oh I thought I was already singing muchhhhhhhh moreeeeee lightly compared to the approach I usually use… That probably means I have a too-heavy and shouty approach in my usual singing! Not a good news, but at least I know I should lighten it even more, thank you so much for this!
        7. Yes I usually sing Ab4 relatively easily but the ‘me’ get in the way so badly. But also may I know apart from this vowel, do I not lift my soft palate overall? (I’m not sure if you saying ‘at this point’ means ‘me’ or ‘now’)
        8. May I know from which note exactly do I get throaty? Let me guess, sometimes Ab4 and definitely Bb4 on?
        9. Guess I don’t understand my own dynamics very well. The ‘continue’ at 0:16 and ‘choose’ at 0:19 in the first recording is what I consider myself singing in p, and I seldom sing in that volume. 0:22 ‘the opposite sides’ would be my mp and ‘no right minds’ is my mp-mf. Do you think that volume of me (p) is closer to your definition of ‘could be lighter’?
        10. Do you think listening to different singers will make us unconsciously change our approach a bit? For example when I sing Jojo’s song I sing ‘heavier’ cos her mix is chest-dominant, and when I sing Sara’s song I automatically sing lighter (although should be more lighter according to you).

        A new question: I do the exercise you suggest in your videos to mix lightly, but I can’t tell if I’m still mixing or I change to head voice without me knowing, because it sounds and feels so similar with the feeling I have when I’m using a tight head voice, although there’s still some difference. Also when I’m singing lightly, like most Bb4 in the recording, it feels disconnected to my system and in my throat; but if I try to ‘connect’ it with the rest of my range I’m quite sure I push and it becomes shouty. What should I do?

        Sorry for replying with another long list of questions. I’m really grateful that you take time and effort answering my concerns. Plus don’t worry about your hair in the latest video, it doesn’t look that bad actually XD

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      2. 2. It had support, it just lacks the correct stretch of the vocal cords since you tend to be a bit heavy.
        4. You didn’t really sing below F#3, so then there’s not much wrong in this specific song.
        5. Well you were lighter, but it gets shouty above Bb4.
        7. It could be more lifted to allow more openness overall, but it’s not completely unlifted as if you were fully nasal all the time.
        8. It can happen as low as Ab4 indeed, yeah. It’s inconsistent but it happens for sure above Bb4.
        9. A more specific time stamp would’ve been actually 1:17 for the first recording and 1:12 for the second? Where you get kind of too heavy and scratchy.
        10. Yes completely which isn’t a very good thing but as you learn to develop your own technique and sound, it will stick.

        I’d like to hear it so I can tell you if you are using mix or head voice, as it’s normal to get confused. LOL I really hated it but thank you haha

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    2. I hope this is not getting to exhausted for you because I’m replying so fast and you must be busy. But I just have a new understanding (amnot that surprised though) of my incredible inconsistency:

      I just sang this like half an hour ago really casually. It’s Park Hyoshin’s ‘Home’ chorus in Ab major – C major. And although I think I still suffer from general lack of openness (+ a bit throatiness, and it sounds a bit nasal although I’m quite confident I actually wasn’t nasal) because of soft palate not lifted enough, and apparent throatiness in B and C major, I’m able to hit the note relatively relaxed and not push too much. And that F5 in head voice is the purest one I’ve got in these few days… I’m just so inconsistent in my middle and upper range (facepalm) What do you think about this casual recording? Am I not relying too much on air pressure in this?

      https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0s1m9RR5fJtdWVUSy0zN3Y3VEU/view?usp=sharing
      This is my stretching exercise today after reading that I should sing more lightly.

      https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0B0s1m9RR5fJtbThyWksxZ0tzZnc
      Taken on 28/6, so there’s quite some unnecessary heaviness overall.

      Each of them I also include a version of C#5 and D5 in head voice as reference. (It also shows my inconsistency in head voice perfectly) I’m confused mostly C#5 and D5, can’t remember if I confuse B4 also…

      And I think I need to make this the last questioning reply in this thread so that you can rest… 😛

      https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0s1m9RR5fJtdWVUSy0zN3Y3VEU/view?usp=sharing
      This is the link for the recording on 28/6, the link in the previous comment is wrong!

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      1. It’s okay and sorry I couldn’t respond any earlier, there were just a lot of links for me to listen to.
        It’s not that you’re relying too much on air pressure, but you’re not relying enough on a tight enough stretch of your vocal cords and you often lose the tightness, too much air comes through and you use H’s to direct the runs too much. I don’t hear nasality, even though there may be issues with the accent in Korean on 세상. I hear a lack of consistent airflow and the higher you go in your mix, but the head voice transitions sound more comfortable for you than the mixed voice parts. The third link requires me to ask for permission and the extra one you fixed is the same as the second one..So yeah there was a mistake somewhere here.

        It’s almost head voice for the stretching exercise, but it’s just not a tight enough stretch and there are too many notes. I’d really rather you do simpler exercises with less notes that works more so on stretch than anything else. Two notes at a time is all you need. I do hear the difference and I believe you’re mixing with a lot more head than chest and then using a more falsetto like quality, even though it’s surely not mixed, I’d say it could be a more connected head voice as well.

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      2. No need to say sorry at all because you must be busy and I’m already very grateful for what you’ve done!

        “I hear a lack of consistent airflow and the higher you go in your mix” Is there something after that but you forgot to type it, or did you mean the airflow becomes more inconsistent the higher I go in my mix? 😛

        I uploaded the second one, see if it works now:

        It was actually not my stretching exercise, when I stretch I do two notes semi-tone apart. But yeah I was also trying to stretch in this to see if I could mix lightly up to D5. (It’s just so tempting to switch to head or pull up full on chest, that’s what I did when I got G#5…)

        So in the first recording which you could get access to, the first group of B4 C#5 D5 was headily mixed right? And yeah I wasn’t able to sing in a connected way in the head/ falsetto part, that started happening since 2015 and more and more often since then. Regression in head voice oops.

        Thank you so much!

        P.S. To thank you for answering my questions, here’s a beautiful song; not about the vocal, I’m just sharing it because the song itself is very beautiful. Suggestion for your next cover maybe haha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuz0ZVuKv2w

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      3. The scale you just showed me, you’re trying too hard to make a distinction with your head voice and so you’re not making the connection that you need and then for the mix, you’re holding onto too tight trying to mix but you don’t need all of that. I think there was not supposed to be an “and” in that sentence. Yes I’d say they were lightly mixed yes. Oh that is actually a really pretty song, thank you so much for showing it to me!

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      1. When you are a polyglot can you only see things in one language? lol I dunno if you saw that my question was in portuguese

        thanks, I thought that was a good high note

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      2. I responded in English because it was faster for me than to say gritada or berrada cause that seemed too extreme for what I wanted to convey and I didn’t have time to think of something that could be translated with the same feeling in Portuguese.

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    1. Hi there dear! You have a very nice soft voice. Now a couple of things. I would not recommend singing in a language you don’t speak when what you want to focus on is your singing. Also were you aware that you sang in different keys during the verse and the choruses? Because aside from breathiness and headlines, with issues with opening your throat and dropping the jaw, changing keys is a big problem.

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      1. Oh my, I honestly wasn’t aware changing the key. I just went with it comfortably. It showed how clueless I am ._.
        Could you elaborate on opening throat and dropping the jaw issue?

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      2. Well that’s to do with diction. Since it’s not a language you don’t speak, you’re not enunciating clearly.

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  33. Hello there, I found out about Cheeze recently and I like her music. Here is her singing live (starts at 00:37) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iowNLxUwDKs

    I can’t find a live performance for this but this one has more…stuff (I’m not sure if they’re mixes or something else. I’m so bad at this T-T). ‘Stuff’ starts at 3:37. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXxMpJw26FM

    Does she support? I’m not sure if she supports or supports but inconsistent. To me, she sounds like she mostly sings with falsetto or just somehow heady. Also, as you’ll notice from the video, she has this controlled shakiness (?) when she sings. I’m pretty sure it’s not vibrato. I really can’t put my finger on what she’s doing with her voice.

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    1. She has a pretty voice, she seems to be a big “style” vocalist. She is just singing for the chill vibe, not for the technicalities of singing. I wouldn’t call her wobble a controlled shakiness. 3:37 she sounds like she has a very thin and shallow approach for her Bb4’s around that range, that part of her range isn’t very well developed even though it’s not very high but it’s because it sounds like she’s not using to bringing up as much chest up there as others might.

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      1. Yeah, she doesn’t sound like she uses technique but I was curious anyway. Thank you for the response!

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  34. Annyeong haseyo ahmin…
    Could i ask you to analyze my singing again? It’s been a 3-4 months ago i’ve sent a clip of my singing.. and i do really love your vocal tips for kpop fans.. especially for how to eliminate tongue tension, i did the following excercise to eliminate tongue tension, but maybe i still have the issue for tongue tension, but maybe for now do i support my voice? At least do i have the supported range? Or do i still take a shallow support for my voice? I still confuse how to distinguish the supported one and the unsupported one.. here take a listen
    Lee Hi – Breathe
    http://www.smule.com/p/447937196_1455007262
    I hope you can give me some advice to improve me in singing because i love singing very much LOL😅. Thank you so much ahmin

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    1. Hi dear!

      I still would highly oppose to singing in a language you don’t speak as that gets in the way of your vowels and diction. You sing slightly like you’re speaking, there isn’t a very smooth sense of legato and it could be cleaner overall. The key is very nice actually, the chorus is less dark and less pushed than the lower range. The lower part seems to be placed too low in your chest, I’d try to make it a bit brighter and lighter, not so heavy and bassy. As for the chorus, it’s a bit pushed but I like the brightness. I’d sing a bit softer for the first chorus, but this isn’t bad. Support seems to be developing itself in your singing, it’s not completely absent but it’s not bad! Good job!! Keep singing, keep focusing on brightening up the sound and keeping it forward, don’t try too hard to push air in the higher parts either, especially in the bridge.

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    1. Hi dear! I would really not recommend singing in Korean if you don’t speak it. I’d rather you sing in a language you speak. Your pitch is generally not bad but in the higher parts, I don’t hear your jaw drop almost at all. I hear a lot of squeezing and pushing from the throat. You sound like a baritone, and I don’t believe you’ve learned to develop support yet. Have you practiced any exercises for singing before?

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