Vocal Tips For K-pop Fans #8: How to Support

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58 thoughts on “Vocal Tips For K-pop Fans #8: How to Support

      1. In the first sentence it’s says I am army instead of ahmin I gusse and violence those CC that showed in YouTube videos they full of mistakes…what’s the key of the song respect by Aretha Franklin??thank you 😊

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      2. Stop sending multiple messages, your link doesn’t show up because it’s incorrect and so it doesn’t work. I see it, it just doesn’t go anywhere.

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    1. At first I thought you were a guy with a very heady mixed voice. But then I realized you’re definitely a girl, I am not sure if you’re a soprano. You may be a mezzo. You’re a bit too heavy, on how you sing, it’s a bit too thick and you carry a bit too much weight. You get flat here and there, like at 0:17 0:20 dau 0:25 0:27 and such. 0:33 You have a very nice tone, when it comes out. When the chorus starts, you stop dropping your jaw and you start focusing your sound too heavily in your head and nose. It’s very heady but also fairly nasal, it’s okay if it were just heady but you’re pushing too much into your nose. Lighten up, drop your jaw and don’t be so focused in your placement. Relax more. You have potential, but the support lacks because there’s too much heaviness. Thank you for showing me your singing for the first time though!

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      1. I was always nervous to show my singing >0< But thank you so much for these advice! I'll keep them in mind and improve! So it is okay for me to post samples of singing occasionally? 😀 Thank you again!

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    1. Hi honey! This is the first time I hear you sing, you have such a pretty voice. It’s very nice, soft and heady. You don’t push much, you don’t really strain your voice much. The problems that I hear is that you keep your throat too closed on sustained notes, you’re a bit too soft so when you want to get louder, you push too hard without keeping the sound focused. 1:33 when you do runs, even if they’re simple, you’re quite flat. Also 1:42 when you sang “Am” you made it sound like there was an R there and you pushed your tongue back in. Your R sound is TOO strong and you shouldn’t pronounce your R’s so hard, because you’re using your tongue too much. 1:47 I like your Ah vowel, it’s nice and opened, it allows your voice to stay more relaxed. Your Aye isn’t as opened. Your Ee vowel isn’t opened enough. 2:08 You could drop your jaw lower and allow more space, 2:26 two problems here, too much R, too much Ee, your jaw is barely dropping and your mouth is barely opened. 2:41 that is again too closed, drop your jaw and allow your sound to open more so that you won’t go flat. 3:04 You can mix pretty high, that’s nice if you’re untrained. You place your sound too high throughout the song, so sometimes there’s a lack of change in dynamics and tone quality. So you should learn to use different resonators. 3:52 your jaw is barely dropped, your mouth isn’t opened at all. 4:07 You do have a high larynx when you sing in the fifth octave. This is a Celine Dion song, so it is a diva ballad, which is often challenging so kudos for you for attempting such a difficult song. You didn’t do a bad job at all! I was pleasantly surprised~

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  1. Wow….thanks for all the praises and advices^_^ I’m glad I don’t do bad although I wasn’t healthy (I got cold a bit) at that day lol I will work hard to improve my singing^^

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      1. Hi! It’s me again. Yes I agree that ‘The Power of Love’ is too difficult for me lol May I get your opinion about what song that suits my current technique? I want to cover Taeyeon’s ‘I’ and Lee Hi’s ‘Breathe’ for next time but I’m afraid that these songs will become too difficult again for me lol

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    1. There’s an accent going on that can get of your way, because your vowels can get closed and your R’s are too rolled, so they use your tongue too much when they don’t need to. Your “I’m breathing fine” it doesn’t sound bad, your Ah or “All” and such vowels, get a bit too shallow and nasal. Otherwise, you don’t sound that bad, your Ee vowel is closing you. You need to drop your more and yawn slightly more to feel the soft palate lift on your mixed voice. Your throat isn’t opened enough, but the range of the song is good for you to practice. It’s good to be very careful when doing runs as well. This is Chanyeol’s key, right? He only goes up to F4, so that’s good for you.

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      1. oh haha you right indonesian ‘R’ is the way like that lol sounds rrrrrrr lol

        and how to sing with soft palate? i dont understand soft palate is.

        I dont know? sorry but who is Chanyeol? i was using video from Youtube, i’m forget the channel name, it just mentioned “low key” on the tittle.

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      2. Well put your thumb inside your mouth and feel the top of your mouth. That’s the hard palate. Move it back slowly into the back of throat and it will get softer. That’s your soft palate. Chanyeol as in from EXO.

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  2. Hi ahmin! (I hope I don’t put my comment on the wrong post) I’ve been wandering around this blog for quite a long time (this is very eye-opening and educative. I like this blog very much) and found myself enjoying every analysis, especially when reading SNSD and RedVelvet analyses.

    When reading analyses for male idols, I was quite surprised to find some of them to be able to support notes above A4… Well, I’m a 18-year-old Tenor (at least that’s what I believe. I’m in a college choir and my music director put me in the highest voice for male. My speaking voice is also relatively high compared to my friends, lol I hope that made sense) but A4 just seems… too high for me.

    During vocal warm-ups I usually go from F#2/G2 – G4/G#4, and I think that is my limit without including head voice or falsetto. Beyong G#4 I know I have to shout to make it audible (though I have hit A4 comfortably(?) twice but never memorized how the heck I did that). My comfortable range for me when I sing spans from D3 to F4/F#4, I think. I don’t know, sometimes F#4 feels too high to me, but sometimes G4 feels normal to me.

    So my question is (sorry for a very long prologue(?)), can my range (without head voice) expand beyond that? Do I just need to keep singing and training over time? Sometimes I just feel like “What’s the point of being a Tenor if you can’t even hit G4?”:(

    Thanks ahmin!!!:)

    P.s. I want to show my singing but I’m not that confident yet with my voice xD Anyway, sorry for my English (if there are mistakes).

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    1. Yes of course your range could be expanded beyond that dear!! But I can’t exactly tell you how cause I don’t know what you’re doing incorrectly that could be limiting your range… aside from shouting. If you’re shouting then that’s not going to allow you to sing higher. Your English is fine! Well try watching my latest vocal tips video, that should help you.

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      1. Thanks a lot for the reply Ahmin >.< I didn't get informed that you had already replied.

        I actually think that range can expand too, because if I remember correctly, back when I was in high school, I can't barely hit G4 but now it's reachable even though it is still kinda hard. If I try to hit G#4, A4, or Bb4 without "shouting"or swtiching to falsetto/head voice, the sound comes out weak and almost inaudible (I often tried this in my room because it made the sound actually audible). I am actually trying to sound like a baby just like what you said in the video, but I don't think I'm doing it correctly xD

        Yes, I personally think that your vocal tips videos are really–REALLY helping. I have understood how to eliminate nasality and am currently learning to support and eliminate airiness. I watch your vocal tips videos regularly in my spare time:D

        Thanks again, Ahmin!! 🙂

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    2. That actually sounds normal ahaha I’m in a choir too and out of the 3 tenors we have, only one of them doesn’t struggle on F#4s (and yes they’re all LLTs), let alone being able to support A4s. The thing about being in a choir is that you actually don’t really learn how to improve your singing? Like they just teach you basic breathing and that’s it. I only started training my head voice muscles when I was put into soprano in a different choir because in my previous choir I was an alto and alto parts generally don’t go higher than C5, and even then I could’ve actually just switched to a falsetto above G#4

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      1. So that is really normal… I mean I used to think it is, but after finding this blog, I don’t think it is, but now you said it, I think it is normal. Come to think of it, my choir teacher also struggles above F#4.

        Yeah, I think so too. The amount of knowledge I’ve earned so far from three years of joining a choir is actually lesser than what I’ve earned by roaming around this blog for months (this is why I love this blog so much xD)

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  3. Hello friends can I ask question I know this is stupid question really its but I need to ask it because its really hurt me a lot 😦 I really like to sing but I am not like the others most of singers may have bad techniques or even worst but they all still have beautiful voice tone their tone its so pretty unlike me I have bad voice tone what I need to improve my tone I just wanna have beautiful voice tone what I suppose to do..I was today in singing audition in school and all the girls were the same age of me but their voice were beautiful even most of them untrained singers they are not good at technique so I am.. but their voices tone just pretty I know I already asked this and you told that there’s a lot going on in my voice like tension closed throat and this doesn’t let my real tone came out but ah I still feel it my voice not pretty is there anything l can do to change or at least to improve my voice or any drinks I can try anything and everything..sorry I honestly feel shame to just even talk about it I know you would probably think I am stupid annoying girl and I am really sorry 😳😳 for such question

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    1. You don’t have a bad voice tone, the biggest difference between vocalists with very underdeveloped technique and normal people with underdeveloped technique is the control and pitch. Even though people like Suzy or Henry may have no sense of support, they generally sing within reasonable ranges and within a lower range they have decent pitch so they sound pleasant to the ear. That’s most of the time at least. For you the issue is that your sense of pitch is really underdeveloped, so your singing isn’t as enjoyable. It’s got nothing to do with your voice, you don’t have a bad voice, you just don’t have control of your voice. The tension also affects how your tone sounds. No I don’t think your stupid, I just feel sorry that I can’t help you and sad that you feel so bad about yourself.

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    1. Well dear, as you know I usually try to tell you to sing something that’s in a comfortable range because singing in a range that’s way too challenging for you when you have yet to develop proper support and vocal stretch in a comfortable range actually slows down the process of improvement. So if you want to improve you have to sing a song that’s within a reasonably comfortable range so that you can develop basic technique before attempting to sing high notes, so I just don’t think this song was the best option that you could’ve picked to work on. This kind of song will only emphasize the tongue tension, throatiness and the bad habits you already possess and it won’t help you improve unless you have someone helping you through the process of singing this. But by the way you’re approaching the Fs, which btw should’ve been head voice for the first chorus and you were already pushing too hard, shows me that you shouldn’t sing songs that go above D just yet, or at least not constantly/often. But the low notes weren’t bad.

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  4. yes u totally right, as i said before i just challenging myself lol, singing so many F4s and a G#4 is not best choice for me. ^ ^

    can i ask something, how to light in mixed voice as baritone? sometime i want to sing softly and lightly in my mixed like what soprano & tenor do. is it possible to me? and give me recomendation baritone singer with light mixed voice.

    Btw Thanks Ahmin3 you re so kind to share the knkwledge to people u dont know, i hope u always healthy, safe & sound there, GBU.

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    1. The same way as for any voice, you just use less chest voice and rely on mixing properly and lightly. I’d advice really following what this video does. Trying to sing higher by being louder is counterproductive and won’t help you learn how to mix without relying on tension and air pressure. I have a light mixed voiced, so if I can do it, so can you. Unfortunately not many pop baritones do that. Thank you my dear for the good wishes.

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  5. Helo! I’m trying to improve my vocals cuz I would like to do auditions to some companies (not right now cuz I still need to improve a lot) but I need to know what. Could you please check this cover and tell me what do I need to improve. ( I know that my pitch is not perfect but I’m working on it). Thank you. (Sorry for my English).

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    1. For some reason, I knew that your native tongue was Portuguese. You don’t really have a very obvious accent though. Anyway, your English isn’t bad at all honey, would you rather me reply in Portuguese or English? Você tem usado os exercícios que eu mostrei nesse vídeo aqui? No de apoio vocal? Porque eu acho que iria te ajudar bastante se você usasse os exercícios, ainda mais com essa música já que é uma música simples e mais facia de cantar. Você parece ter uma voz meio jovem, e eu ouço MUITO ar que sai do meio das suas cordas vocais. Então você tem que usar as suas cordas vocais e conecta-las melhor para poder criar um tom menos sussurrado e mais conectado, com apoio de verdade. Isso também vai ajudar no seu pitch.

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  6. Obrigado! Eu descobri este blog esta semana então ainda não tive muito tempo para o explorar. Tenho 17 anos e comecei a fazer exercícios vocais há pouco menos de um ano, tudo o que sei (que não é assim tanto) aprendi sozinho e estive muito tempo a fazer exercícios de forma errada. Tenho ainda uma pergunta: como classificaria a minha voz? Pela minha experiência diria um lyric baritone pois um dos meus passagios situa-se no E4, (no entanto não sei qual visto que não encontro mais nenhuma nota instável como essa), e também porque sinto que a minha vóz está com mais intonação a cantar por exemplo “Counting Stars” dos One Republic ou a maioria das musicas da Ariana Grande uma oitava abaixo. Ainda não sei usar voz de cabeça então não faço ideia de qual a minha nota mais alta, no entanto sei que a mais baixa que ja consegui foi um D2 (F2 normalmente é o meu minimo) e a mais alta que já consegui em falsetto foi um B5 (Normalmente G#5 é o meu maximo) e por vezes sinto que o meu falsetto se conecta com o whistle e vou até ao G7 (raramente o faço pois não quero acabar com a minha vóz). Muito obrigado e peço desculpa por ser muita coisa para ler mas desde que comecei a interessar-me pelo canto que venho a acumular MUITAS dúvidas. Vou ver todos os videos dessa serie e começar a fazer todos os exercícios todos os dias (costumo dedicar 2 horas à minha vóz por dia na semana e cerca de 10 ao fim de semana) com esse novo conceito de “conexão das cordas” acho que vou conseguir realmente aumentar o meu rendimento na aprendizagem (e depois de explorar os videos e o site em geral ainda mais). Muito obrigado novamente!!!! (E sim sou português (sul de Portugal) :P).

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    1. Como é que você aprendeu a fazer exercícios vocais? Eu também diria que você parece se um barítono lírico mas eu não tenho 100% de certeza. Não se desculpe não faz mal não. Na verdade meia hora por dia é bom o suficiente, procure não forçar a sua voz.

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  7. Eu aprendi por ver e ler muita coisa na internet mas a maioria dos exercícios que via não os executava corretamente (pois não tinham uma explicação adequada). E por vezes eu talvez até conseguisse fazer bem mas não o fazia pois intrepertava mal o que lia na internet e acabava por executar de forma errada pensando que isso era o certo. Há bem pouco tempo é que eu pensei “Algo aqui está mal…” e comecei a aprofundar-me mais e a pesquisar em sites e canais diferentes para não correr o risco de “ir pelo caminho errado” e perder tempo a fazer as coisas mal.
    Outra coisa: se eu percebi bem, o meu problema é a potência e para o resolver tenho que trabalhar na conexão das cordas vocais, abrir o fundo da garganta, e conseguir o maior espaço possivel na boca (evitando a tensão na lingua) para haver ressonância e assim amplificar o som, tudo isto sem tensão na garganta. Ou seja produzir um som mais “forte”. É isso? Outra pergunta: é correto baixar a laringe para uma maior abertura no fundo da garganta? Desde já obrigado e parabéns pelo blog que tem sido muito útil!!! 😀

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    1. Ah sim eu diria que as coisas nas quais você tem que trabalhar estão certas. E não é ruim colocar a laringe para baixo mas é melhor fazer isso sem usar a língua e não colocar ela muito baixa para não criar um som forçado.

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  8. Olá novamente!
    Dei uma olhada nesta serie de dicas (embora ainda não tenha acabado) e tenho feito exercícios para melhorar o suporte. Eu não sei como soaria a minha “voz suportada” então vim aqui perguntar se seria assim que soaria ou pelo menos se estou num bom caminho em relação ao ultimo cover. Obrigado e obrigado pelos videos que têm sido muito úteis! nwn

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    1. Sabe eu na verdade preferiria se você me mostrasse audios de você fazendo exercícios, ao invés de cantando músicas, porque é mais complicado falar se você esta fazendo os exercícios direito. O seu pitch está bem melhor nessa música, mas ainda sim você tem uma qualidade que é um pouca sussurrada demais. 2:04 Você tende a soar meio preguiçoso, a sua dicção não é clara e por isso você canta usando slides demais, você meio que faz uma scoop para cima sem chegar na nota direito. Realmente o seu pitch melhorou, mas ainda sim ouço os problemas de antes.

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  9. Hi Ahmin how are you doing! Last time I posted you told me that I needed to be less airy and connect the vocal cords properly, as well as try to mix higher. So recently I’ve been trying those exercises to practise how to connect vocal cords properly and to mix higher and I feel like I have improved a bit but I’d like to check with you too see if I’m on the right track!
    On the link I covered Taeyeon’s ‘Fine’ and I wanted to know how my D4’s are? They sound and feel a little strained to me but perhaps the one at 1:33 came out the best haha.
    Is my lower range at the beginning ok? G2’s feel quite comfortable to hit at least.
    Also I feel like maybe my placement isn’t as good as before because I seem to sound a bit nasal on the B3, C4s in the chorus?
    Again sorry for destroying the Korean language and the highnote at the end! 😄

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    1. Im good! How are you? Honestly I feel as though you always sing while pushing your larynx down a bit and it’s always like you’re yawning.. so your sound isn’t very natural in your lower range, you still lack connection. It feels like your vocal cords aren’t strong enough yet to handle mixing high, which causes you to sound shaky. This is all fine because indeed you sound cleaner, lighter, more connected, more well placed and supported. Good job!!! Your phrases Ds aren’t bad and you don’t sound nasal to me, but your sustained D was too wide with the vowel and too disconnected. You should keep your sound more highly placed for your lower range with a bit more connection but to me, you seem to be going in the right direction.

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  10. Ok! Muito obrigado! Enviarei exercícios da próxima vez então… Antes em cada frase que fazia (não quando gravo, mas quando pratico) começava com um “H” meio “respiroso” (???), agora passei a fazer com um vocal fry e tento manter as notas o mais proximo desse vocal fry (tentando fazer com que não o chegue a atingir mas no limite). (Desculpe se ficou muito confuso) Isso ajuda?. Outra pergunta: nesse cover houve algum momento melhor ou pior em termos de ar? Se sim quando? Assim talvez possa ouvir quando estive melhor/ pior e saber como o fiz. Obrigado novamente!!!

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    1. The rain is really loud lol I’m well thank you, hbu? Watch out for the timing in the second verse where the melody changes. Have I heard you singing this song before? A lot of the Ds are flat and you’re not really singing without your throat when you sing above B3. You’re often nasal, you’re not dropping your jaw and you’re not opening your vowels.

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      1. No, You have not, its first time.

        what should i do to sing without my throat in my mixed voice? it’s could be my bad habbit (maybe). i have tried to lighten my mixed, but it didnt work to me maybe i have no technuque to do that.

        what do you mean ” not dropping your jaw” ? is that in the good/bad way ?

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      2. Well have you tried the exercises in the video? It’s a bad way, it means your mouth is opened correctly. Not to the sides, I want you to open by dropping the jaw.

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