BTS’ Vocal Analysis: V

Vocal Range

Eb2 ~ D6 (3 octaves, 5 notes and 1 semitone)

Supported Range

C3 ~ C4/C#4

Voice Type

Baritone

Strengths/Achievements

  • Strongest vocalist in BTS
  • The strongest sense of breath support amongst all members of BTS
  • Able to remain most relaxed within his comfort range
  • Able to transition into his falsetto with relative ease
  • Mixed voice is light and lacks pushing, not trying to sing too high with too much throat tension
  • Able to remain relatively relaxed up to C#4 and at times even D4
  • Sense of pitch has improved since debut
  • Sufficient support is maintained down to C3 in his chest voice

Points for Improvement

  • Tends to sing with too much airiness
  • Support is shallow and underdeveloped
  • Tends to lower his larynx too often when singing
  • Above C#4, he tends to sound harsh and flat
  • Tone production often becomes flat due to lack of forward placement
  • Lower range is relatively underdeveloped for a baritone
  • Unable to support his head voice
  • Falsetto is often too airy and lacks projection

Registers

  • Lower register: Due to the range in which BTS’ music is written in, he gets very few chances to showcase the true development of his lower range. Thus, his voice is relatively underdeveloped in his lower range for a baritone, where his tone production becomes muffled as he sings below C3.
  • Mixed register: His mixed voice is relatively light in terms of mixing, where he uses more head voice than chest voice when singing higher to minimize the amount of effort and strain on his vocal cords. Although able to sing above his first passaggio, his support is somewhat shallow and he tends to become tense above C#4.
  • Upper register: Able to transition into his falsetto with relatively ease, his overall tone production is airy throughout most of his voice but becomes fairly obvious as he sings in his falsetto. Able to produce a connected head voice even though support isn’t present.

Agility

Drawing less influences from R&B than many other idol vocalists in K-pop, V generally sings with an airy approach throughout his range and doesn’t often attempt singing vocal runs. The airiness in his voice makes it harder for him to be able to connect his vocal cords properly and control his pitch. This results in often sloppy runs when he does attempt them, in rare occasions. Perhaps aware that his voice isn’t necessarily very agile, as he lacks the correct muscle coordination to sing and bounce through different notes quickly, it is hard to find examples of V attempting vocal runs. The few times he’s done so, it’s possible to hear that he lacks clarity in tone and often sings runs by sliding through the notes quickly, without hitting each individual pitch precisely at the center of the note. This causes his runs to sound sloppy and pitchy overall, as heard in “Sorry“, “Little Star“, and “듣는편지.”

Overall analysis

V debuted as a member of the vocal line of BTS in 2013. Although not the main vocalist, the distribution of lines was even enough that he sang relatively often regardless of him being a lead vocalist or not. In most cases, idol groups favor vocalists with higher voices because most idol songs are written within quite high ranges, for males and females. Thus it is more common to see a main or lead vocalist of a group be a tenor or a soprano. In BTS’ case, V’s voice stands out because he is the only baritone singing with other three tenors in the group, although every rapper in BTS is also a baritone. His voice is thick in tone and slightly lower range, but still remaining relatively light in weight and sounding more like a lyric baritone than anything else. Although mostly written for a lower tenor range, BTS’ music is written within a relatively low enough range where V is able to sing alongside the tenors without too much stress on his vocal cords.

Considering most tenor songs generally are written above C3, V as a baritone gets very few chances to actually sing in a more baritone-like range most of the time. Thus his lower range below C3 is mostly underdeveloped and not very well explored, as he doesn’t sing that low very often. Down to C3, he has shown a clear enough consistency of tone production and projection, where both his vocal cords and his support work together to allow his chest voice to project with decent tonality. This can be heard in “안아줘“, “Oh Happy Day!” and “Someone Like You.” Below C3, however, he starts to lose connection and support, as his voice starts to become more muffled and breathier. This seems to be because his vocal cords aren’t developed enough as he sings lower, so his tone becomes less clear as he’s unable to project and place his voice in his chest as easily as above C3. This can be heard in with the Bb2’s in “If You“, A2’s in “안아줘“, G2’s in “Let Me Know” and the octave unison E2’s in “Someone Like You.”

His mixed voice is relatively well developed in terms of mixing and has enough support for him to be able to sing above his first passaggio, B3, without tensing up his throat too much. The range from C4 to D4 can be sung with some support as he’s able to remain relaxed and not sing only from his throat. This can be heard in “바람인가요“, “듣는편지” and “안아줘.” As he ascends above D4, he tends to use a very light mixed voice which is mostly head dominant, which allows him to push his voice with less tension than if he were to use a heavier and louder chest-dominant mixed voice. Nonetheless, the lack of support above D4 causes him to sound shallow and thin the higher he sings, as his voice becomes too light and oftentimes he can sound somewhat flat when singing above his comfort range. He tends to sing with a soft approach, but tension is still present in his throat as he’s unable to connect his breath support to his vocal cords in order to maintain his throat opened. This can be heard in the D4’s in “Something“, Eb4’s in “눈, 코, 입“, E4’s in “If I Ain’t Got You“, “Someone Like You“, F4’s in “I NEED U“, “If You“, “Butterfly“, F#4’s in “Let Me Know“, “Love is not Over“, G4’s in “Bang Bang Bang“, “안아줘” “눈, 코, 입“, “이사” and G#4’s in “잡아줘.”

His upper register mostly consists of a falsetto, with occasional moments where he’s shown the ability to use a head voice. Most of the time his vocal cords aren’t fully connected and he sings with excessive airiness, which causes him to sound thin and soft in his upper register, mostly associated with a falsetto voice. Although relaxed to an extent, a falsetto is not a register where true support can be present. Support would only be truly present if he were to use his head voice properly, however the few times V has shown a head voice have shown that he has issues with maintaining the connection of breath support with his vocal cords, where he instead pushes too much air against his vocal cords instead of allowing them to produce his head voice with their own strength and development. This results in a head voice that lacks control, by not being relaxed nor supported. This can be heard when contrasting his falsetto in “듣는편지“, “House of Cards“, “눈, 코, 입“, “Butterfly” and “Miss Right” with his head voice in “How Am I Supposed to Live Without You.” Interestingly enough he is the only member of the vocal line to be able to push his head voice all the way up to the sixth octave, higher than any of the tenors. This can be heard with the C6 in a high note battle during a fan meeting as well as the D6 in a more recent fanmeeting.

One of V’s main issues actually come from his tendency to push his larynx down when singing and not fully maintaining his vocal cords connected throughout his range. When your vocal cords aren’t fully connected, a lot of air can pass through causing the vocalist to sound breathy and soft. Stylistically this can work in many cases, but training yourself to only be able to sing that way can cause the vocalist to limit their vocal development. If the vocal cords don’t fully come together when singing, the vocalist will be unable to allow their vocal cords to become stronger and develop in terms of volume, range and muscle strength.

Adding onto this, V usually favors lowering his larynx and opening the back of his throat a lot more than necessary when singing even within a relatively high range. Most of the time, V’s voice can be perceived as quite deep but actually when a vocalist pushes their larynx down, it alters the natural tone of their voice and causes their voice to sound much deeper than it really is. This is often a stylistic approach used in soul music, that can be turned on and off at will. However for V it’s either this approach, airy and overly opened in the back of throat while not fully relaxed, or a harsh growly approach. Only having two options can be limiting to a vocalist if they’re unable to grasp breath support fully yet. Since V tends to push the sound of his voice in the back of his throat a lot, the direction of air from his voice isn’t properly placed in his nasal cavities, which makes it harder for him to understand mask placement and project his voice. As such, he tends to sound slightly flat in tone production the higher he sings due to lacking a good connection of proper breath support, an open throat and a forward mask placed sound.

When comparing V to the other vocalists of BTS, it is possible to hear that both he and Jungkook are the most relaxed out of all four of them. They have the least issues with tension and have a relatively decent range in which their voices are more or less supported, even though support may be shallow. However things can get tricky when comparing a tenor to a baritone, as being a baritone and having to sing in the same exact range as a tenor puts V at a clear disadvantage. Truthfully BTS’ music isn’t written for a high tenor range but it is still a challenging range for a baritone to be singing in. The passaggio is where the voice naturally lifts and the muscle coordination becomes slightly different, as sort of a bridge between a register and the next. The first passaggio is the transition from chest voice to mixed voice, while the second one is from mixed voice to head voice. A lyric tenor’s passaggi are usually around D4/Eb4 and G4/Ab4, while a lyric baritone’s passaggi are B3 and E4.

If V were to sing the same song as Jungkook for an example, but the key was changed to suit his voice as a baritone, he’d be able to handle singing above his first passaggio slightly better than Jungkook would. So the only true difference between them is that V has a slightly better grasp of breath support. However given the fact that V can’t simply change the key of every BTS song there is to suit his voice, he has to sing in the same exact range as the other three tenors. So naturally within the range that these songs are written in, Jungkook is the most qualified member to handle singing their repertoire. If V were to look into more solo singing opportunities, understanding his own voice type and embracing the true tone of his voice could help him develop his voice better as a baritone if he could sing in a range that’s natural to his voice. For future improvements, working on further developing connection between his vocal cords to be able to handle more dynamic changes, while developing his breath support could help V develop his vocal technique better overall. However for the time being, his current skill level is adequate for the type of music he sings.

Musicianship

V is not much of a risk taker when it comes to his vocals and singing. He tends to sing with one specific style and doesn’t deviate much from that specific sound. He tends to choose either a harsh growly sound or a soft airy sound, which remains the same throughout most of his vocal performances. He doesn’t often try to add his own melodic changes to songs and instead chooses to sing songs as they’re originally written. When given the chance however, he does like to add his own twist to his vocal cords and is able to blend his voice with others and even himself when adding layers of harmonies to his vocal performances. One example would be the added harmonies present in his studio cover of “Someone Like You”, where he sang the song in the key he felt was most comfortable for his voice, adding his own octave unisons and harmonies throughout.

Label (Type of Vocalist)

S vocalists: Stylistic Vocalists

C Vocalists: Commercial Vocalists

Vocal Range Video(s)

video by: We Are D-town

Best Vocal Performance(s)

Analyzed by Ahmin (Kitsunemale)

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696 thoughts on “BTS’ Vocal Analysis: V

  1. Hello, I have two quick questions for you, although I’m not sure if this is the place to ask.

    1.) In this video, who is singing the falsetto at the beginning?

    Some people say it’s Jungkook bases on his performance in “House of Cards” while others say it is Jin.

    Are you able to discern who’s the singer by any chance? Also, I was wondering whether this falsetto is supported at all.

    2.) In this song, I’m curious about the lines where Jin’s singing “far away.”

    With the exception of the very last one at 4:59, they sound embellished (i.e. as if Jungkook is harmonizing with him or there is some computer effect being used; it’s not entirely his voice generating the sound), but I can’t tell because I have no formal training and I dunno what to look for. Are you able to discern by any chance?

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    1. 1. I am not sure. Falsetto can’t be supported, so no. It’s just tight airiness. I wouldn’t say it sounds like Jungkook personally. Jungkook is more nasal in his falsetto.

      2. I generally hear a lot of echo-y reverb, but for Jin’s first part during the chorus, I also hear autotune. It’s a mix for him and it sounds more echo-y, not to mention the slightly robotic quality and the layered vocals. They recorded the same line over and over and put it in layers.

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      1. Thank you for the answers!

        I hope Jin is the one singing the falsetto because that would mean he got a part in ‘Come Back Home’. As for the tuning in Jin’s part of the chorus,

        I have to admit I’m disappointed. He sounds so good in “So Far Away”, so it’s disappointing to receive confirmation that this is indeed edited as such (I mean I have lots of small gripes like the forced sound of the ‘ays’ in ‘away’ or the way he sings the first syllable of ‘kkumi’, but overall I like his part more than JK’s, which is a huge anomaly for me). Does the tuning affect the ‘so’ as well or just the ‘away’ parts? Are his final two parts (the soft “So far away/Don’t fall away” at the end) also auto-tuned or layered or something like that?

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      2. I hear the auto tune more on So Far, on away I hear more reverb than auto tune. All of it is layered, which is a very common thing to do in studio with most songs.

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      3. Ah okay. And here I was hoping this might be evidence of improvement on Jin’s part…*sigh*

        I guess they autotune + layer Jungkook’s voice as well? IDK, hard for me to tell because he sounds very similar live.

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      4. One last, hopefully quick question (I’m so sorry for being such a bother; this is just a topic I’m very curious about). I was talking to some friends and some of them think Jin’s live “Awake” performances shows some improvement in his singing ability. What do you make of this?

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      1. My thoughts is that Jungkook is doing really well with his falsetto harmonies, they’re blending in quite well with V. I don’t know if V is doing this on purpose to emulate the original singer of the song, but he is hardcore pushing his tongue inward while singing and that’s not something he used to do to this extent. Now granted he does it on some songs and not on every song, I think he might be aware of it. I just hope he doesn’t do it all the time cause it really blocks his sound and makes him push harder, which is why on higher notes he’d cut them off short because he’d lack enough breath to keep going.

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      2. why is this comment between October posts? I almost didn’t find it. I hope somebody tells V to stop doing that tongue thing, I feel like he’s singing like this very often lately. Is he regressing in his technique?

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    1. Unfortunately dear that note is a G5. While not an impossible note to sing in a healthy way, it is not fair to V to expect and hope that he will hit it properly so quickly when the notes below that are still strained. He would have to build up one note at a time to get up to that G5 properly, but he can’t as long as even C5’s in head voice lack in support. The placement and pitch are better than when he used to do it in the beginning, but support is not fully present in the way he’s approaching these notes. He’s just using air pressure to push those notes out.

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  2. Hello! I was just wondering what your thoughts are on V’s technique when singing Amazing You at 6.35 and Daily Song at 10.20 in this video?

    You’ve mentioned that he lowers his larynx a lot, do you think it was quite noticeable here? I saw someone making a comment about this video saying he he sang a well supported D4 at around 11.00 – would you agree? I’m just curious if you think he did well haha.

    Just one more thing, at 13.45 he’s listening to chickens then says that they ‘hit sixth octave mi’. Some people say he got it right… does he have perfect pitch lol?

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    1. This is…really bad quality of audio. Not only is this a recording of a recording, the quality of the microphone and the echo is …this isn’t a good video to talk about his technique fully. 7:10 yes I’d still say that he’s lowering his larynx. It’s not all the time, but he does it as a habit kind of often. 7:46 tongue tension. Is this a song by Hwang Chiyeol originally? Because he is emulating how he sings slightly, and it’s also making him use his tongue more. 10:52 He is singing with his tongue sliding inward. 11:03 That is one of his better D4’s, but the quality of the audio is too questionable for me to say anything.

      Actually just FYI 6옥미 and 5옥솔 are not Mi 6 nor Sol 5 in relation to a piano. C4 is Middle C, but in Korean that’s 2옥타브 도. So 6옥미 is E8 and 5옥솔 is G7. I don’t hear anything that high in the video, but I do hear G#7 from the chicks. Nothing higher than that tho. This isn’t enough to guarantee that he has perfect pitch, but it is possible.

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  3. Did you listen to Crystal Snow, the Japanese release? It’s a ballad and a lot more challenging for the vocalists than their usual stuff. I thought V did a good job, even though the song is like all in the 4th octave. But he sounded better than Jin and Jimin to me.

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      1. Youtube videos are taken down immediately, but it’s on spotify and twitter, I think. I’d be interested to hear what you think, cause the vocalists definitely try more than they usually do. With varying success to my ears.

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      2. that’s just the first part though. Spotify should have the full version, their Japanese label is really strict about non-official uploads, sadly.

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      3. I don’t have Spotify because it’s kind of useless for me so thank you! I’n personally not hearing a positive change or anything they couldn’t do before. It’s less tongue and mumbling than what V was doing in their last release but that was mostly stylistically. Support wise there’s no real change. It’s in the key of Eb I believe and the melody is full of G4’s, F4’s and Ab4’s.

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      4. Ah, thanks! I guess there’s not much of an improvement, sadly. I thought V sounded less strained than Jin and Jimin though. Both of them sounded kind of weak to me here? Jungkook sounds like always to me, Jin sounds really tense (especially when he holds the Bb4 in the second half of the song), and Jimin idk, not much volume? Don’t know how to describe that. Is that how they usually sing too? And it might just be more obvious cause it’s a ballad and they have clearer, longer lines?

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      5. Kinda tangential, but this song reminds me of what you said in Jungkook’s analysis. This song is outside their usual style, and it works against Jungkook’s breathy, nasal style imo. Except for the end, when he’s singing lower, his sound doesn’t work with the song style (just my opinion though). I also thought V sounded better (I also keep thinking Jin and Jimin sound better than before, but I’m prolly wrong).

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      1. Small trills yes in the video i linked. Which to me is a sign of improvement in the agility department considering tae never really does or attempted to do runs.

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  4. BTS’ songs aren’t written in a range relatively comfortable for tenors and not too high for baritones so their underdeveloped vocal skills won’t hurt much – I feel like that’s not the case anymore, because their songs are written in a significantly much higher range now. In their new album they are going for range above Ab4 so much more… why oh why BigHit…

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    1. Their songs before used to have a lot of G4’s and G#4’s too, I don’t hear much of a difference personally. Let Me Know was a pretty high song for an example.

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  5. Thanks for the clear and concise analysis! I saw that this was written a year ago. I’m wondering if you could do a review now because it seems to me that BigHit is finally starting to develop Taehyung’s baritone and giving him that support to develop as a vocalist. It would be quite interesting to see what has changed and his development. Thank you!

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    1. Hi! You may not know but we regularly update vocalist’s analyses if there’s any relevant change, whether positive or negative, to their technique. Unfortunately thus far, there’s been no improvement in his technique.

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  6. Hi, just wanted to confirm something. So, since V is rated as a weak to average vocalist, but is still the best one in BTS, does that mean the rest are all weak? Also, thanks for the thorough analysis!

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    1. It just means that Jungkook, Jimin, and Jin are just really bad technically. The only actually weak vocalist is Jungkook because he barely has a supported range and he strains most of his belts a lot, even though he’s the second strongest vocalist in BTS. Jimin and Jin are much worse than Jungkook and V, with both of them showing high amounts of tongue tension and nasality respectively. That’s why Jimin and Jin haven’t been analyzed.

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      1. That’s a bit harsher than what we really want to convey and I hope you can understand they’re not MUCH worse and we avoid words like bad too. The gap isn’t huge, it’s noticeable but it’s not that drastic. Nasality isn’t unhealthy, Jungkook and V are relatively nasal too, especially Jungkook.

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    1. Jimin’s voice type is a tenor, the same as Jin and Jungkook. His vocal range is three octaves and one semitone, from A2 to Bb5.
      Have a merry Christmas!

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    2. Hi dear and Merry Christmas to you too. They are both tenors, and I believe there are vocal range videos out there for them already.
      Jin:

      Jimin:

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      1. Oh, thanks to both!
        I thought that Jimin was a countertenor, now I know it’s not like that xD
        In fact, why in certain places is Jimin counted as a countertenor?

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      2. I’d guess it’s because of the high notes Jimin normally hits in BTS’s repertoire. If he was a countertenor, I think his range would be sky-high into the 6th octave or something.

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      3. If anyone in BTS were a countertenor it would be V (or all of them considering how much they use falsetto). Aside from maybe having an extensive range in head voice/falsetto there aren’t any physical characteristics for a countertenor. It’s just a man (could be a tenor OR baritone) who has been classically trained to sing in their head voice/falsetto. It’s kind of pointless to label a contemporary singer that cause a) ppl in contemporary music sing however they want and b) they’re still gonna be a tenor or a baritone physically.
        (correct me if i’m wrong)

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      4. Theoretically speaking, if they have a chest voice/lower range developed to any extent, they’re not really a countertenor. They are generally ideally trained to develop only their head voices in order to emulate a woman’s singing voice, so they often disregard developing any other register of theirs. Other than that, I’d agree with you. It is pointless and it’s not accurate in pop music.

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      5. So it’s even more inapplicable then I thought. Would it be accurate to say it’s a fach/voice sub-type or a role and not a voice type? Would it also be accurate to call it a training based voice type? Does anyone call things that?

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      6. Honestly I’d say it’s a role, not a voice type. I would think of it as a training based voice type yes, if that’s a thing.

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    1. Countertenor is not really a voice type, at least not in the context of pop music. You know what? This would be a great K-pop myth to debunk! But no, he’s not a countertenor.

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  7. I’ve been listening to Blood, Sweat and Tears and I was wondering, the nae pi ttam nunmul parts (what is that, pre-chorus?) are distributed amongst Jimin, Jungkook and V. Are Jimin and Jungkook using their mixed register for it? V sounds like falsetto to me. It’s probably too high for him to mix?

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    1. Actually they’re all using falsetto and mixed voice. GajyoGAAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL Sorry that looks funny, but this part of the song is where they all sing in falsetto. V switches to falsetto in other parts earlier than the tenors but all of them go back and forth with falsetto and mix.

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  8. Minnie,

    I saw your twitter and I wanted to say something:

    Love You and support you. You’re the 1 of 1 boy in our eyes.

    P.S. I loved the Linzy analysis. (I hope you got the aforementioned reference or this will look really strange to you).

    P.S.S. So word around the grapevine is that you’re trying to become a cutiepie visual. What? you’ve been taking classes with Vmin or something? Apparently you didn’t get the “Stay in your lane” message. I’ll be watching you. lol. 😀

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    1. I could never be a visual haha thank you! There’s a lot of change happening in my life right now but eventually it will sort itself out! Thank you so much for the love ❤

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  9. Olá Ahmin!
    Primeiro gostaria de agradecer pelo trabalho não tendencioso que é feito aqui, e espero que os meninos cheguem a esse site de alguma forma e possam pegar umas diquinhas…

    Então, como não sou realmente versada em música, gostaria de perguntar porque o Taehyung muitas vezes parece cantar como se estivesse “com a boca cheia”, é extremamente desconfortável de escutar, lembra quando falamos logo após ir ao dentista e levamos uma anestesia para algum procedimento cirúrgico e a língua fica dormente. Não consigo explicar direito, mas tem alguma explicação para isso?

    Ah, em um dos comentários, alguém perguntou se o Jimin poderia ir tão alto quanto o Tae e o J-Hope, isso foi algo que você deixou passar ou o Hoseok realmente tem um grande alcance, embora sem suporte?

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    1. Oi! Eu não tenho certeza o que tendecioso significa mas acho que dever ser coisa bom que você falou! Haha

      A eu concordo com você! Ele canta assim como por estilo às vezes, especialmente em DNA, mas não é sempre. É causado por tensão na língua e mandíbula.

      Jimin nunca cantou tão agudo quanto Jhope e V mas eu diria que ele poderia ir mais agudo se desenvolve-se as cordas vocais.

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  10. I wish Bighit would hire you as bts vocal trainer lol jokes aside I hope they would hire someone with as much knowledge as you have regarding singing in a healthy way for bts vocalists. Even me who have no basic knowledge about singing can tell bts vocal line is stressing themselves and their throat trying to reach those high notes. I have been quite conflicted as well because I’m a fan and I’m biased so I tend to deny it but sometimes those high notes sound screechy like they’re yelling rather than singing to me. I hope they won’t keep singing this way on all their concert tours and album songs or else it’s a matter of time before their throats give out. 😦

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    1. Well, the reason why the vocal line sings the way they do is because of differences in terms of teaching vocal technique. I think I remember Ahmin saying that one of those differences was teaching K-pop vocalists to push the sound out or something like that. I may be wrong, though.

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  11. May I ask if Jimin’s high note here was C6? It’s around 0:03

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    1. It was not C6, it was C5 in mixed voice. It may seem like it’s C6 cause there’s a head voice E5 being sung by some of them, so the up scale movement and the fact that it was mixed and cut through the head voice makes it sound like it was in a higher octave than actually it was, but it was not.

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  12. heyyy Ahmin! its been so long since I was here man!!! 😀 I just stumbled across this vid claiming that TaeTae has an absolute pitch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abIAf8cFrXc
    what do you think about its overall accuracy? in your experience of analysing Tae, you reckon he has an absolute pitch? (who’s your bias and bias-wrecker in BTS btw? :D)

    P.S: a bit late but happy new year! hope 2018 is an amazing year for you 🙂

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    1. Happy new year to you too! Unfortunately this video doesn’t prove that he has perfect pitch. The ability to sing a song that you’ve heard in the original key does not mean you have perfect pitch. It is one of the signs that you may have it, but it is not the sole thing you should be able to do in order to have perfect pitch. Okay I’ll write what I’m going to write as a comment:

      I appreciate the intent of the video and I actually thought what was going to be used was the video of him telling the notes that the little chicks were squeaking in. The ability to have perfect pitch means to be able to tell what any given note is without a reference. Relative pitch means being able to musically navigate and find other notes after having a reference. In the video where he can kind of tell what notes the chicks are…making? ..either way, that is more likely to show that he has perfect pitch. Being able to sing a song that you’ve heard in the original key is a sign of good relative pitch and good musical memory, but it does not mean you have perfect pitch. I know this because not only is my whole thing to do with singing and music, but when I sing I always sing songs in the original key that I’ve heard them in. I do not have perfect pitch. I have good relative pitch, I can remember songs in the original key and then I know what note I’m singing because remembering them in the original key is my point of reference. I have friends with actual perfect pitch who can hear the siren of an ambulance, or the alarm sound of a car, or any melody played on any instrument and they can tell exactly what note it is and what octave if they had to. I can get close after having a point of reference in my memory, but I can’t hear a note and know what note it is without having to think. That’s the difference between perfect pitch and relative pitch. Now I’m not saying that V doesn’t have perfect pitch, I’m saying this video doesn’t prove that he does. Actually one of my friends is a pianist with very questionable pitch when he sings, simply because his vocal cords aren’t trained to sing on cue so he can’t match the pitch that he hears with the right position of his vocal cords. Does that mean he doesn’t have perfect pitch? No, it just means his vocal cords aren’t trained. He has perfect pitch because he can play any given melody right after hearing it. So this video doesn’t exactly prove that he has perfect pitch and we should be careful before making such confident claims.

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      1. waaahhhhh omg that is such a detailed response 😀 thank you so much for educating me! 🙂 🙂 who’s your bias and bias-wrecker in BTS?

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      2. A bias wrecker in K-pop is somebody that tries to steal your heart from your bias. You may like Jimin now, but if you’ve seen BTS enough, you might end up liking somebody different. I hope this helps!

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      3. woops sorry I’m a bit late to the party, but yeah lol, that was a perfect explanation of a bias-wrecker. my bias is TaeTae and bias-wrecker has to be Jimin

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    1. I think he was trying to sing an A major chord, but instead he sang an D minor chord in second inversion so he might have meant to sing A C# E A, but he sang A4 D5 F5 A5. None of it was done with proper support. His larynx was high, his throat squeezed and his tongue/jaw tense.

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  13. Hi Ahmin~I just saw this video of V practicing singing. Actually I don’t know what to ask. It sounds a little bit different for me. I just couldn’t tell if he sung better than how he used to sing in this video, or there was just no difference.

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    1. He is singing slightly chestier, louder and a bit more opened but it’s very pushed and his tongue is tense and inward. It’s an F#4. I’m not sure I’d call this practicing or goofing around.

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  14. Hi Ahmin!

    I’m not sure if you’ve seen this performance yet, but I wanted to ask how V’s vocal runs(is that the right term?) at the beginning and at 0:41 were, and about his overall performance, if there were any improvements at all.

    It’s an acoustic performance without Jungkook.

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    1. Actually yes you could call those vocal runs indeed. However the way he’s doing them is by overly passing air through his vocal cords which isn’t the most effective way to sing vocal runs, it’s basically cheating his way through them. The runs in the beginning are fairly slow, all in his breathy head voice and he’s changing the vowels a lot which makes the notes easier to hit, as he’s cheating his way through with more jaw movement instead of staying on one vowel only. 0:41 Again he’s singing want but instead of going Wa-a-a-a-ant, he goes Wa-ha-a-ha-ant, those H’s added to the vowels are his vocal cords coming apart to use air to find the next note instead of supporting his way through. He did it especially to find the note was going to transition into in his head voice.

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  15. Hi Ahmin! How are you?
    There’s a new bangtan bomb of Taehyung and Jungkook singing together:

    Honestly I don’t know what to ask specifically, sorry, but is there anything in the video that stands out at all or any comments about technique? It seems like he’s imitating Hwang Chi-yeul a bit, right? However I am definitely no expert so assume he sounded nice lol.

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    1. Actually someone just asked about it! I said that I liked the harmonies from Jungkook but was questioning how on purpose the pushing his tongue back thing is for V.

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  16. You wrote that a baritone’s 2nd passagio is around E4, where they switch from mixed voice to head voice, but Taehyung has sung above E4 in his mixed voice I think (like in Crystal Snow). Is that something singers can train?

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    1. Yes, of course. V isn’t the only one to have sung above his second passaggio. Passaggi mark a point of muscle change and transition, but not a rule of what register you have to use. You can sing with head voice below your first and second passaggi, you can mix higher than your second passaggio and lower than your first too! Every vocalist analyzed in this blog is taught to mix above their second passaggio, or at least has sung in mixed voice above it. V sings constantly in his mix above E4 actually and so do most baritones and tenors in pop music. So yes it’s something you train.

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      1. Hi ahmin, it’s so great to read such in-depth vocal analysis and learn a little bit more about our favourite groups! I was wondering what you thought about V’s part in DNA, in the beginning? I was surprised that BigHit let him sing so much lower than their songs are usually. What did you think of his technique there?

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      2. It was as expected a lot more comfortable of a range for him, but he has recently started pushing his tongue back which sounds a lot mushier and a lot thicker than his natural sound. He does it inconsistently from one song to the other though.

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  17. Hey Ahmin! I’ve been wondering, some people have been debating whether Taehyung is actually a baritone or not e.g. 1.26
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    Do you have any comments at all? I think he’s still a baritone honestly lol

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    1. Please do not post any videos done by him here. He believes the most common male voice type is the tenor voice, and that in order to be a baritone, one must sound VERY dark, VERY manly, VERY weighty. He completely ignores the existence of tessitura and passaggi in determining voice type and wrongly relies on voice timbre which is simply wrong. So by his definition, any male that sounds light is a tenor. I don’t think he knows enough about voice types to talk about them. That’s what I think, in the future, please do not post his videos here. I don’t want to give him any reason to make anymore videos related to us/me.

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      1. Minnie!!!!!

        Honey, you have so much class when you respond. OMG!!!. But anyway, thanks for answering questions. We see the true efforts of the new rating system, and I hope it takes off. I feel honestly there is no need to revert back to the old, but just to improve it from here on out because some comments on all of the analyses are the reason this new system needed to exist. And also, I wish some people could understand that this blog has 2 admins that are not getting paid for this and do not possibly have the time (even if they lived 150 years) to analyze every idol vocalist in every darn group, not even including the solo vocalists. 1 or 2 really is great enough. Oh my god, you like every vocalist on this blog and hate absolutely no one. It wouldn’t even make sense to hate them. Why would you make an analysis that points out their good skills and bad habits when you are clearly explaining where the habit comes from and how it is happening? It’s like a doctor is telling you what’s wrong and where it comes from, and all you have to do is change your lifestyle. Honestly, you get so much flack and it makes no sense.

        By the way, on a lighter note. I always marvel at how different these vocalists’ voices are. Sometimes it’s a little and sometimes a lot. But one thing is for sure, they are all beautiful. Subjectively, some more than others, but I personally don’t bother much with that. As a fan and non-fan, you want all of them to support at least enough so that they don’t get damaged. I remember seeing Onew communicate with that little board. I’m glad he’s better but I wish that on absolutely no one. That’s why vocal technique is important because vocal technique = vocal health. It doesn’t mean no style (Jung Dongha for example). Just wish people understood this a bit more.

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  18. Hi again!!

    And, yeah, I meant that in a positive way!! 🙂
    Well, I strangely feel like it’s easier to me talk about this in english, so…

    He’s most likely just messing around (and he’s plainly joking at the next part), but how did J-Hope do here from 0:54 to 1:06? Seems like he has a difficult time finding the tone (?) from the start, but it’s given since he’s not a vocalist at all lol

    Jin starts at 2:14. Why does he always sound so shaky? Also, which note is that one at 2:56? How was it? To me he always sounds so shouty in his high notes :/

    Did Tae or Jimin have any improvement shown there? Jimin sounds better to my ears when he’s not singing too high, like, he sounds more relaxed or comfortable (?)

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    1. Well hi again! J-Hope, much like Sugar, V and RM, is a baritone. Since they’re rappers, they tend to use more chest voice in their singing and though he has a nice voice and connection, he is a bit too heavy in his throat. He was playing around to kind of trying to copy the original vocalist, I suppose? 1:24 Like here it’s too high for him. 2:14 He always sounds shaky because he has more tension in his throat and he doesn’t open his throat, place his voice in his nose while tightening his throat and then because he is not managing his air well, he tends to lose stability. 2:56 G4 to F#4. He does shout, you’re right. He sings with a lot of air pressure, a lot of constriction and chestiness, which one might call a shouty approach to singing.

      V sounds fairly relaxed, a bit too airy, but relaxed. He is really going for that tongue rolling back thing he’s been doing and I’m not sure why…why is the lighting for Jimin so much better? LOL Jimin was singing in a very small and comfortable range, it’s more of a baritone song, so he has absolutely no reason to struggle. 5:04 I quite like this change in the melody! I like it when he looked to the side like “why is V so loud damn..”

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      1. watching this video, I want to ask do you think Jin is a stronger singer than Jimin? Cause I know Jin doesn’t have a lot of range and struggles with falsetto/headvoice, but he has a much fuller sound here than I’ve ever heard of Jimin. Or are they just stylistically very different?

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      2. Well Jin sings with slightly more chest voice than Jimin, so he does have a “fuller” quality in his singing but I wouldn’t say that would make him a vocalist with better technique than Jimin because he is rarely ever as relaxed as Jimin is usually.

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      3. I feel as if you don’t like Jin nor think he has potential. Whenever you talk about him it comes off as somewhat hostile and very harsh. I really don’t think he sounds as bad or is as terrible of a vocalist as you seem to think; I’ve heard plenty of his falsettos that sound very relaxed and not forced at all, albeit with some stylistic breathiness. Even when critiquing Jimin and Jungkook you praise them at the same time, especially Jimin for wanting to become a better vocalist. Jin wants the same; he has been working on his singing on his own a lot, the problem is that he doesn’t have proper technique and wasn’t taught how to properly achieve that technique, just like the rest of the boys. They’re all at a disadvantage because of that, and I doubt BigHit would let them take time off to get proper training even if they asked (and Jin always gets shut down when he asks BigHit for things anyway, so…).
        I can accept your critique of their techniques but I do feel like you are somewhat biased due to favoring V and Jimin, and Jungkook to an extent. Jin was the only one of the vocalists with absolutely no experience whatsoever prior to being casted, and he was given the short end of the stick by not getting proper training or training long enough, thus making him less confident in his voice which only got worse the more people criticized him. He was also someone with no experience being trained for a hip hop group, and I think (depending on the company) if he had been trained for a vocal-focused group, he might have been better off. His vocal color is one that also doesn’t sound as great without proper confidence and technique, but it seems as if you hold that against him. I also think you and others assume his range is very small based on the limited amount of examples of his range that are available. I think it’s quite possible his range is wider than many people are aware of, it’s just that there are less examples of him singing out there to compare.
        I have a hard time believing the “unbiased” part of your description as a vocal analyst, and it’s just so tiring when Jin gets brushed off all the time and the maknae line gets praised for simply breathing.

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      4. I’m not sure how you’d expect me to respond to this nor exactly what you want from me so here it goes: I ask that you do not put into question my ability to remain unbiased nor feel the need to attack me because you feel attacked. Just because I am not sugarcoating what Jin does vocally does not mean I am being harsher to him. I am just as harsh to any other vocalist out there. I am not going to lie and not say what’s going on. Just because I didn’t say anything casual about Jin in this comment does not mean I have something against him? Actually had you seen the other person who asked me about this on twitter and had a different link when Jin sang with Jungkook and in that video, he sounded much more relaxed than I ever heard him before and I acknowledged and praised that. I give praise when praise is due. I am so sorry but I’m so tired of these conflicts within fandoms that I get dragged into. I don’t deny that Jin wants to improve nor do I have anything against him. I have nothing against any of the members of BTS, so to assume I “don’t like Jin” or “think he does not have potential” is jumping on this “Jin gets brushed off by everybody” bandwagon that I’m not a part of. You do not need to come for Jin’s rescue because I am not attacking him. Have you read what I actually say? I don’t praise the “maknae line” for breathing. I explain in detail what’s wrong with their technique. I am absolutely 100% motivated by any individual and vocalist who wants to learn to sing and wants to improve, but Jin sounds tense most of the time anywhere in his range. What? I assume his range is small? I am pretty sure Jin has a 3 octave range, I am pretty sure not only has he shown that, but that I’m also aware of that. If you have a problem with some individuals out there online who do brush Jin off, do not put me in the same box as them and assume I’m the same kind of person as they are. I am not. I do not hold anything against him, it’s just simply what I hear in terms of technique. If I favored Jimin, I would have analyzed him, wouldn’t I have? I gave the same treatment to Jimin as I gave to Jin. Neither got an analysis.

        Here is Jin’s vocal range video. Vocal range is irrelevant to vocal technique because it means potential, not skill. Jin has a whole 3 octaves of potential, but not of current vocal skill. And I agree that he’s neglected and I have been very vocal about my issue with companies not giving vocalists proper lessons. Every vocalist in a group. I know that’s the case with Jin too but I don’t have to mention that every time he’s asked about.

        I am sorry but please do not come in here making assumptions and accusations because I’m not praising Jin when praise is not due. I am sorry that there exists issues within the fandom and Jin fans feel bad because Jin is often brushed off. I understand that frustration and I also think it’s unfair, especially because he was not trained and that is not his fault. Now don’t ask me to give him or anybody special treatment. Jin is not a main vocalist nor lead vocalist. If you knew me, you’d see I often disregard questions about non-leads and non-mains just because it’s not someone we’re going to analyze. It’s within our rules. Be it Jin, be it sub-vocalists of other groups, they are not going to be analyzed so I don’t pay attention to them as much. I know as a fan you want Jin to receive just as much attention as you believe he deserves and that’s just fine, but don’t take that out on me please. I do not have a problem with Jin nor any member of BTS. I do not mean to attack you either but understand that you directly made assumptions about me and that is upsetting to say the least.

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      5. My comment was directly in response to this comment you made about him: “He does shout, you’re right. That’s quite literally what he does when he sings.” I think that’s a bit unfair and certainly not completely true. I have conceded to the points you have made about Jin before, even though I don’t always agree with them, but I feel like this comment was unnecessary and not very accurate, or at the very least exaggerated.

        You and others mentioned before that Jin has a small range, which contributes to him being a weak vocalist. I am not sure why you are suddenly changing your statement about that.

        I know the rules about who gets a vocal analysis and who doesn’t. That’s not what I take issue with. I understand how things work, and I’ve read a lot of your analyses and comments on different vocalists. I compared Jin to Jimin because they were the two not getting analyses, even if Jimin is a lead vocalist and Jin is just a vocalist. I didn’t compare him to V, the other vocalist, because of how you rank V first in terms of technique, so it wasn’t an apt comparison. I also mentioned the maknae line because you said before that Jimin and V are your BTS biases, and that you also like RM and Jungkook. When you’re analyzing vocalists, and bias/favor 3/4 of them in a group, it becomes very noticeable who you give priority to and who you are more likely to praise and cut some slack.

        I am not saying that you praised the maknae line just for breathing, it was a general statement about how they tend to get treated by people across the Internet. I am also not trying to drag you into fandom wars, but I’m sure you’re aware that people use your comments and analyses as justification for fan wars and hating on other members. I know that is not your intention and you don’t condone it, and I’m not asking you to sugar coat your comments or change what you’re saying – I’m just asking you to be more clear with your intentions. The comment about Jin shouting while singing is one that can be taken by fans and warped to serve whatever argument they want about why Jin is less talented, doesn’t deserve to be in the group, etc. When I can’t find a single positive comment you’ve made about Jin – except supposedly on your twitter which is private, so how would I know what comments you made on there – it just gives off the idea that you don’t think he is as valuable as the other vocalists, even though he and V both have the same title. And then fans echo that because of your credentials. If you are going to take on the responsibility of critiquing K-pop vocalists as a professional, you need to be aware of how fans will use your comments to serve their own interests because of your title.

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      6. I use the term “shouty” for vocalists who sing with too much constriction in their throats, too much air pressure and heavy chest dominant mixed voices. All of which are true for Jin, as well as many other vocalists. I often say “shouty approach in the mixed voice.” And that’s true for Jin when he sings above Eb4, he often sounds shouty cause he pushes more air pressure. It’s not something I said exclusively in relation to Jin, I say it often about many vocalists, so I’m not giving him a harsher time. I am so sorry, I really am, but I am struggling to see how it’s unnecessary or exaggerated when I use the term shouty for singing when a vocalist uses a shouty approach. I’ve said that multiple times before.

        I never said Jin had a small range. I may have said that he has a small supported range which is quite different, but not a vocal range. And I stand by my point, you might have misunderstood me. Because it doesn’t matter if he has a small range or not, many skilled vocalists have shown 2 or 3 octave ranges and that’s enough. Jin’s issue is that the range in which he can sing in without straining his voice is quite narrow and that’s purely due to technique. Please do not twist my words.

        Again, it does not matter if I like the others or not. I don’t dislike Jin. Don’t paint me as one of the people who treats Jin badly. You’re still acting like I attacked him but I stand by what I’ve said and it’s all points that have to do with technique. I’ve said similar things about many many vocalists, why is it an issue if it’s about Jin? I understand your frustrations as a fan and I am on your side, but when you make the enemy, what am I supposed to do? What do you exactly want from me? Do you want me to cut Jin some slack? Do you want me to lie and not tell you what I hear? Because in the end this is very upsetting to me, to be accused of disliking someone or being harsher to him when I have no such intentions and I’m honestly not sure what I am supposed to do here. I know indeed people misuse information which is why I don’t like to answer questions saying “this vocalist is better than this one.” I try to answer more vaguely or refuse to answer altogether. I know the answer to my questions is no, you don’t want me to lie or cut him slack, you want me to say positive things about him. But what if I hear no improvement? What if I have nothing really new or positive to say about his technique? What do I do then? I know you’re worried about his well being and how fans see him and how they treat him and I think that’s honorable and fair. But you’re treating me like the people who think Jin doesn’t deserve to be in BTS or that he’s less talented or that he’s not as valuable of a member of the group. That’s not me, I don’t think that. But I can’t lie and say that I don’t think Jin is a very underdeveloped technical vocalist, especially compared to the others. I don’t deny that he has received the short end of the bread, or that he has the will to improve. But if there is nothing especially positive to say about what he does vocally, what am I supposed to do? Be clearer with my intentions? How do you want me to do that? I am honestly trying to understand what I’m supposed to do and I hope you understand my frustration. If I really disliked Jin, I wouldn’t even bother responding to your comments in such detail. But I feel like you’re worrying so much about him that you’re already foreseeing the negative reactions even when it’s not there and I’m not sure how to be “clearer with my intentions” as you said. Since you asked me not to sugarcoat or change what I’m saying, then what do I do? I hope you know, because I don’t get how I’m supposed to say anything different than what I already do. I treat Jin no different than how I treat every other vocalist out there when it comes to talking about technique.

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      7. You didn’t say he was “shouty” or that he had a “shouty approach in the mixed voice”, you said he shouts when he sings. Those are two different things. If you had said he can sound shouty in his mixed voice, I wouldn’t have had a problem with that, because I don’t necessarily disagree. But you said he “literally” shouts when he sings, implying he doesn’t ever sing relaxed and isn’t actually singing, just shouting. Which of course is not true, because I can find numerous examples of him sounding relaxed, especially in falsetto or his lower register. So your comment just seemed unnecessary and you didn’t seem to care how it came off because it was Jin and not another member.

        I’m obviously not going to get anywhere with you because you don’t seem to be getting my point. But I don’t see how there is a big gap between him and Jimin, the other vocalist who you also classify as weaker than Jungkook and V. I can concede that Jin is weaker than him, but not to the extent you seem to be claiming he is. They both have their weaknesses, and they exist in different areas. For example, Jimin has more trouble correcting his pitch when he goes off pitch, while Jin has an easier time with that (he’s by no means skilled at it, but Jimin struggles with it more than Jin). And Jimin has better breath control and support than Jin, and doesn’t force so much when singing. But the gap between them does not seem to be as big as you are claiming. You show pity for Jimin when talking about his struggles with vocal technique, but you brush Jin off with clipped and curt replies, seeming eager to shut down anyone who thinks he may have improved in a certain song. I am not trying to pit the two against each other – I love Jimin a lot – but many fans are, and you do little to dissuade them from doing it. And I guess I should have phrased my original comment better – I don’t feel as though you necessarily dislike Jin, but I do believe you don’t care/are indifferent to him. You could care less if he improves or not; you see the other vocalists as having more potential and you want to see them succeed. You don’t wish for Jin to fail, but you aren’t actively rooting for him to improve the way you root for the other vocalists.

        None of them have had proper vocal training (except maybe Jungkook when he was younger, I’m not sure), so it’s hard to honestly claim that Jin is *so* much behind the rest of them in skill, like you said – “But I can’t lie and say that I don’t think Jin is a very underdeveloped technical vocalist, especially compared to the others.” That, I feel, is bias, because I’ve seen other vocal analysts and professional vocalists place him above Jimin. I don’t necessarily agree with them, but you talk about your analyses as if they are law and everyone else is wrong. That is what I mean by being “clearer with your intentions”. Because of how you present your information, many fans use it as the last word on the subject, and see any other interpretation as wrong. I am tired of seeing your word being used as god among these fans.

        I don’t think you are going to understand where I am coming from, nor change your perspective, so I’m not going to continue this conversation anymore. It’s just going in circles, and I hope someday Jin will finally get some proper vocal training and prove his talent and potential, so this type of conversation won’t ever have to happen again.

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      8. Okay so I edited my comment after our last conversation so that it better expresses exactly what I meant to express and I apologize if the way I said it at first did come off as offensive. To me, it meant the same but clearly to you, it didn’t. However I hope you understand that I can’t keep monitoring myself every time I talk because something I say might come off the wrong way because I don’t know what you or anyone else might find offensive when to me it might mean the same. Again my comment was exclusive within the context of the person’s comment which was about his mixed voice, so you’re taking my comment out of context because I did not mean his falsetto at all. You’re right, he’s not often shouty in his falsetto but that’s a comment that to me clearly was referring to him mixing high. But to you that was not the case.

        I never claimed their gap was big. I’ve stated multiple times, the gap is noticeable but not big amongst any of them. To me, the gap is obvious but it’s not big. It’s just something I can classify as “shallow support” vs “little to no support.” That to me isn’t big, it’s just noticeable. So please don’t take my words out context or exaggerate them. When I said underdeveloped, I believe all 4 of them are underdeveloped. I’ve said that many times. When I say especially compared to the others, it’s because he’s the least likely to show a relaxed approach even within a reasonably low tenor range without tensing up or tightening up his throat. I’m not saying that’s his fault, I’m saying that he’s the least relaxed and often very tense within a reasonably comfortable range.

        I’m sorry, but I am doing my best to understand you. I’m explaining myself, I’m apologizing and yet all you’ve done is accuse me of treating him badly and being like other people who overlook Jin while I keep asking you not to. Yet you never once apologized to me or seemed to try and understand. All you want me to do is say I’m wrong, instead of acknowledging a misunderstanding. You accuse me of having a dislike towards Jin because I don’t overly protect Jin. I’ve never seen Jin post a vlog almost crying about how he wants to improve his singing and can’t. If he has, I don’t know. If he did, I would right away change how I feel because then I’d clearly be able to see that he wants to improve. I don’t actively follow any member of BTS in my spare time, I only know what’s linked and shown to me. Nothing of that sort about Jin has ever been shown to me, so you’re blaming me for not treating him with more love and care when I’m not obligated to have a special spot in my heart for him when I simply don’t know what he wants. If he wants to improve his singing a lot and is sad about it, how am I supposed to know? You’re blaming me for not treating him like he does even though I don’t know if he does. Does that make sense to you? Honestly? If I had known that Jin actively wants to improve and is upset that he can’t, then I would actively be rooting for him. But I don’t know that, and you’re asking me to be a fan, to actively root for him, isn’t that an odd request to expect from someone? You’re telling me to how to feel without me having enough information. Don’t you think that’s unfair? I do want him to improve but my personal feelings change depending on how much I see or consciously know that they wanna improve. So I’m sorry that I don’t know but I believe in this whole argument, you’ve been really unfair to me and you refuse to see it because all you want is for me to feel like you and think like you instead of trying for one second to really understand me. I’ve been trying to understand you but also show you my side and yet all you do is see yours, and that’s frustrating to me. I don’t think my word is the law and I don’t think I’m always right. But you blaming ME for how OTHER FANS use my words is unfair. I watch what I say as much as I can and I am sorry that what I said didn’t translate as clearly to you as it did in my head, which is why I edited it. But I can’t be blamed because people use my words without me knowing for bad purposes. We changed the whole rating system! We are trying A LOT to make it so that we don’t contribute to fanwars in anyway. I don’t answer questions when ppl ask me if two main vocalists of different groups are better than one another. I try to change so that I don’t contribute to these things and I’ll keep doing so. But instead of seeing the efforts we, and I, make in order to not contribute to fanwars anymore, you are only focusing on what you want to see and I am sorry but that’s just unfair. But maybe you don’t think so, because you call me trying to get you to understand my side as “going in circles.” I don’t want to blame anyone or go around in circles either. I don’t want to hurt Jin but “I guess I should have phrased my original comment better” is hardly apologizing for how you came across as directly accusing me of being against him and as if I intentionally want him to fail. No apology there. Yet again I go out of my way to change my comment so I can be careful, I spend time responding to you so I can understand you, I change the rating system, I change the way I respond to comments and yet, it’s never enough. No matter how much I try and change to show that what I care about are these idols improving their singing, it is never enough so I’m sorry if this deeply frustrates me. Because you’re literally telling me to actively go out of my way and create feelings that I don’t necessarily have for everybody, for Jin because YOU feel that way about Jin. Yes there are idols I’ve grown closer to and seen their hard work more than others so I would love to teach them at this point and Jin may not be the first one that comes to mind, but am I not allowed to have a deeper connection to some people more than other? If I saw that Jin wanted to improve as much as I feel it from others, if he actively were to seek me, I’d gladly help him. But you don’t seem to think that that’s an unreasonable request because all you want is for me to understand your side without ever putting yourself in my shoes.

        I hope the same for Jin and if I could someday help or be the one to help Jin with his singing, that’d be amazing and make me very happy to make a difference.

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  19. just wanted to say I really appreciate what you’re doing with this blog. You got me interested in vocal technique! so thanks for answering all my (probably annoying) questions 🙂 I’ve learned a lot here!

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  20. To be honest I really like Taehyung voice among bts, I find the tone of his voice pretty soulful strong and unique. Jimin’s voice sounds like mouse voice and most of the time his voice is unstable live. Same with Jongkook, he’s a little better live than Jimin but his voice to me is so average and plain like his voice doesn’t have texture, color etc. Also Jin improved so much imo. It’s sad that their company don’t pay enough attention to Taehyung and Jin voices, imo they both have much more interesting voices than lead vocalist (s).

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    1. Jungkook is great live though and he has a beautiful voice. We don’t need to put down members to praise others. Jimin isn’t a strong singer but I like his soft voice too. I do think sometimes their distribution of parts doesn’t do their vocalists justice cause they get too hung up on a specific sound they want to achieve, but they all have nice voices and I love listening to all of them.

      but I do wish Jin and especially V (since he’s actually one of their stronger vocalists which idk if BigHit even knows that) would get more chances to shine as well.

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  21. Can these armys realize that this analysis is based on objectivity, people here don’t give a shit if they performed good, have shown enough emotions or better voice quality when will they realize that the admins here are trying their best to answer their questions and now some have the audacity to complain and slander the admins?

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  22. Hey Ahmin~
    I’ve been looking at your analysis on BTS time to time and i find your ability truly amazing, it is really surprising that you can actually ‘analyse’ the notes and be confident about it ^^

    I don’t know if this was asked, but can you look at this video and tell me about their notes and how they did it? Hahah i know they aren’t serious but it’s still enjoyable to see your reply~

    I am sorry for the inconvience if it was asked before, but i’ve looked a lot of older comments and i don’t think this was asked. But if it is, please don’t mind it and keep up the great work ^^

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      1. Actually, I’m not talking about his singing. I mean the screams that he threw to have fun in the video. It was really unnecessary thing and it really disturbed my ears because the voice was so high.

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  23. hi ahmin,

    I have read all your comments on this blog and was really amazed at how detailed you answer all the questions given.

    I just have a question for you, In your opinion who among the vocals (Jungkook, Jin, V, Jimin) is the best?

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  24. Hello! I just found this page today and was really awed by the amount of information about V’s vocals. I’m not very knowledgeable in music but it’s always nice to learn more about BTS’s performance technicality-wise and music in general.

    I have a few questions but I don’t really know how to ask them. It’s mostly about Jin. I’m really curious about his singing style/technique as we’re quite similar and really want to improve.

    1) At around 2:17-2:20 (-dal la baby), there was some kind of noticeable change in Jin’s singing. That part sounded really good to me. What are your thoughts about it? Is it actually any different from the rest of his singing style/technique or is it just the same?

    2) Also, in this video, Jimin and Jin sang Awake (Jin’s solo) in +6#.

    At what range was Jin singing the chorus 5:34-5:47? What type of voice did he use to sing it? It sounded really high and it didn’t sound like falsetto to me. Perhaps mixed?

    3) I also read that someone asked about Jin’s part in Crystal Snow but was left unanswered as the link to the video was not available. His high notes sounded really good and strong in that song, notably at 0:25 and 0:44 and a triple high note at 0:38. Is that his highest note yet or is it still E5 from the fan event? What can you say about it? Would it be ok for him to sing in these ranges (for adlibs at least) while using the current technique/style he’s using?

    I just really love Jin’s high notes because they sound so crisp. But is he straining his voice? I read somewhere that said Jin isn’t straining his voice even though he sounds like he is. Is that true? To me he sounds like he’s pushing his voice to come out forcefully and I worry he might be damaging his vocals if they continue singing the wrong way.

    I asked so much about Jin even though V is my bias. I really love V’s voice especially when his voice go low just like his parts in DNA (except the refrain coz that was actually high for him). And as much as I love hearing him growl and sing high notes, I hope he’ll be given parts that doesn’t put too much stress on his vocals. I really hope Bighit hires a proper vocal coach who could help maximize these boys’ abilities. I believe that they have so much potential.

    Sorry this was long and I asked so many questions. Also, I apologize for any errors in my English. Thank you so much for the in-depth analysis of V’s voice and for keeping it updated. It is so much appreciated. Keep up the good work and don’t let people bring you down. You are doing really well.

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  25. Couldn’t V and Jungkook also be labeled as “mid-range vocalists,” since their respective supported ranges lie in the criteria in that category?

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    1. Im afraid not because they’d have to have supported ranges that handle the middle of their respective voice types a bit more.

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  26. Hi!!
    Did you hear the preview of their new japanese song?
    (don’t leave me, the one for the ost of a dorama)
    Ah, that chorus :)))))))))))))))))))))))
    Did you hear any improvement?

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      1. it’s this song. Jimin and Jin sound really rough to me on the chorus though 😦 like they’re really struggling to sing it that way.

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    1. I don’t think it makes much sense. It’s more of a fan post, since the concepts are there but they’re very vague and their understanding of it seems quite shallow.

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  27. Hey ahmin,

    I just wanted to leave you a message to say I appreciate what you do here on this blog. I’ve been lurking for awhile (not sure how long) and have learned so much that I’ve applied to my own singing–even if it’s only used in the shower or to annoy my housemates.

    Although it seems to have occurred awhile in the past now, it was very difficult for me to read extended comments attacking you for assessing vocalists honestly. I was shocked how thoroughly you responded and tried to understand and sympathize with the poster (even though they didn’t deserve as much).

    I admire what you do. As long as you get enjoyment from doing this work, I hope you will continue.

    Best 🙂

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    1. Now that’s something I second, Minnie. The day when you no longer enjoy this in the slightest or simply have no time for it, know it will be okay because your happiness and health are first and foremost.

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  28. Hello ahmin, I highly doubt this person’s telling the truth so I gotta ask if Jin has any form of breath support in his singing?

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    1. Most things they were saying were right, aside from their attitude. The part about Jin resonating at all or let alone supporting however I cannot agree with.

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  29. Hi Ahmin
    So I’ve noticed that periodically people will post a video and ask you if the members have shown any improvement at all. I don’t really have a specific video to point to, though if you need one I could look for it, but I was just wondering if from the time they debuted to now if you’ve seen any improvements?
    Also what do you think of V’s high note in Stigma? I guess more specifically, do you think that trying to hit it from his head voice is bad for his vocal chords? When I listen to it live, it sounds kind of strained…

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    1. Oh sorry, another two questions. I’ve recently watched this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyXU1GBOs6A) of the vocal line performing House of Cards. To me, their voices sounded a little strained when they were trying to both go for the high notes and project their voices. What do you think of the technique that theyre using to hit those notes?

      And also, so I know J-Hope is usually considered a rapper, but he does sing a bit in Spring Day (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVcXED3O5Mk). What do you think of his vocal technique and the kind of vocalist he is?

      *sorry if this was already asked. i sorta just skimmed the comments section and didn’t read it in depth

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    2. Hi there! Well as the analysis states these notes are definitely strained. Hitting them in head voice is not a bad thing at all but straining them yes. I have noticed slight improvements mentioned in the analyses but nothing major from any member I’m afraid.

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    1. Are you serious here, or are you just joking around? J-Hope and Suga are rappers; their rapping practice is emphasized much more than their vocal skills. Besides, their current skill level isn’t quite the same as V’s right now, even though all three of them are baritones. Please, correct me if I am wrong.

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  30. Hi, Thank you for the detailed analysis.
    Can you please look into the new Japanese songs ‘Don’t leave me’ and ‘Let go’. Is there any improvement for V?

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  31. Hello ahmin, do you see any imrovement of V’s vocals in newest live performances (april 24th)

    (for “Let Go”) V parts: 1:07-1:18, 2:57-3:08, 3:52-3:57

    (for “Crystal Snow”) V parts: 0:40-0:50, 1:00-1:05, 1:30-1:54, 1:58-2:04, 2:47-2:57, 3:30-3:38, 4:15-4:25, 4:30-4:34

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    1. Lots of tongue tension and straining. Nothing new here aside from the possibility that he could possibly mix C5s, the B4 was the peak though, at least in this video. FYI, to sing Opera properly, you need to train like a classical vocalist. Even the way the vocal chords and larynx are used differs by quite a bit. So V sounds better any day of the week than any time he sings like this.

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  32. Hi Ahmin,
    I really appreciate your analysis and thank you for answering to our questions!
    I’m here to ask what you think about Taehyung’s vocals in his latest solo Singularity? I don’t have any specific questions. I’m just really curious about what you can say about technique etc.

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    1. Hi, not the admin, but answering part of the question until one of the duo gets here. If it’s specific notes, please post time stamps. From what I remember, because this song is fresh in my mind (I love it), he has some strained 4th octave notes and was strongly going for that soulful feel. In order to do that, he creates a lot of tongue tension and pushes his tongue and larynx down, which mutates the sound and darkens it quite a bit. There is a part where he says something like “Dallyoga” and later “Isseo”. The first word perfectly represents what I’m trying to describe. This is also better explained in the analysis of V.

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      1. Hi Can you wait for the admin to answer the question ? Coz I think he didn’t answer coz you answered already. Can you wait for him ? Thank you.

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      2. Actually, Ivy, the admins have already explained that they don’t like to comment anything that is a studio recording, so I think that’s more probable to be the reason why they haven’t answered yet 😀

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  33. Is this accurate or just a fan talk (she claims to know a lot about singing and her mother is a vocalist)?

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    1. She’s mistaking what we define as resonance as a sound that’s full, projected and reverberate. Which is partially true, if you ignore the reasoning for such coming from the mic and the quality of strain coming from the voice. That’s only partially true cause one must take into consideration the openness of the sound coming from inside the vocalist’s mouth, the quality of the sound such as the tension and strain and the support behind the sound produced. By her definition, any sound that is “full,” projected and reverberate is resonance. Loud singing is not resonant singing, which is the title of one of my debunking k-pop vocal myths.

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  34. Hi there. I saw a person tweeted this to me after I disagreed with her that Jin is the best vocalist in bts. I don’t know much about music and vocal techniques so I’m wondering is this is correct ? Here’s what she said :
    taehyung actually has the most tension. he has jaw, throat and sometimes tongue tension, and strains above D4. taehyungs mix is very chest dominant while seokjins mix is rather balanced out.

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    1. euh, so well, as you can read in the rules of this blog, only half of a group’s vocalists will be analyzed and only the better ones. Might be that your friend doesn’t consider that Taehyung is a baritone and you can’t directly compare him to the other vocalists. At his and the other BTS vocalists’ skill level, it just isn’t possible for him to be as relaxed in a range the group’s tenors would still be rather relaxed in. So yeah, about Taehyung’s straining, she’s more or less right, but it’s natural for Jin to be relaxed in a higher range because he has a higher voice type.

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    2. Well theres some right things about what she said.. Yes Taehyung has tension in these areas but Jin has it aswell and its a lot more also I dont think that she is considering the different voice types of jin and taehyung. While taehyung is a baritone he supports up to C#4/D4 which is, in comparison to Jin who´s a tenor and is hardly supporting at all, a lot better. Now I dont wanna state that Jin is bad in any way he just has way less support than taehyung has. Im not one of the Admins but I hope i was able to help and that all my infos are right 😀 also i dont really know but I personally think that Jins mix is more head dominant no?

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    3. I really would rather not answer anything comparing two vocalists directly. But I can say that yes he does have those types of tension, which are written in the analysis. Jin has a lot of tension too, to the point of not singing with a supported sound quality almost ever anywhere in his range. A balanced mixed with no support isn’t a strength. A chest dominant mixed isn’t bad either, so I don’t get why that’s being used as a comparison.

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    1. I’m going to be honest and say I’m tired of these conflicts about BTS’ vocal line and how Jin is always put down so his fans come to his rescue saying he’s the best vocalist in the vocal line, with very incorrect information. It does not matter who the best is or not. I can tell you who is, I know who it is, but people use that information to be petty and it’s tiring. It doesn’t matter who’s the best, but no, what she’s saying is not correct. Musically speaking, what she says makes sense, but not when it comes to Jin. He doesn’t use his breathing mechanism well at all, his throat is almost always closed, tight, his swallowing muscles almost always tighten around his larynx, squeeze it, raise it, he pushes air with too much pressure from the abdominal muscles, he barely maintains his diaphragm expanded. None of this is true. Now does that make him not the best or the worst? It does not matter.

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    1. If you look at the comment section, you’ll see I already not only watched this video, but also commented and discussed my thoughts on it. So there you go.

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    1. I’m not an expert but even I can tell that Jimin and Jin are struggling here lol. Jin especially, even if you disregard the breathing issues (which is due to the dancing), he’s not hitting those notes in the chorus and has to switch to falsetto to reach them.

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