BtoB’s Vocal Analysis: Eunkwang

Eunkwang

Vocal Range

F#2 ~ Bb5 (3 octaves and 2 notes)

Supported Range

C3 ~ A4

Voice Type

Light Lyric Tenor

Strengths/Achievements

  • Strongest vocalist in BtoB
  • Consistent control of his mixed voice
  • Resonance is produced consistently
  • Able to keep support up to A4
  • Lower range is supported and forward down to C3
  • Falsetto is often relaxed up to C#5/D5
  • Runs can at times be produced with accuracy in pitch
  • Mixed voice is well balanced and healthy
  • Good placement is kept even above his supported range
  • Pitch is generally good
  • Good control of dynamics
  • Not usually nasal

Weaknesses

  • Uses a larynx vibrato
  • Larynx is raised above A4
  • Lower range below C3 is often airy and muffled
  • Issues with airiness in his falsetto
  • Runs can be sloppy and pitchy
  • Can become whiny in his falsetto
  • Sometimes bad posture in his singing can cause upper body tension

Registers

  • Lower register: The lower range is full and produces consistent tone with clarity and projection down to C3. Chest voice is well placed with good resonance but generally loses tone below C3.
  • Mixed register: The mixed voice is consistently supported up to A4 with a neutral larynx and good placement. Above A4, good placement may be present but the larynx usually is raised causing strain to the voice.
  • Upper register: Under explored register but nonetheless developed to an extent. Most issues with pitch happen in this register and in the transitions. Can become tight above D5.

Agility

Generally not as inclined to sing with an R&B style as other vocalists may, Eunkwang still shows a necessary amount of control when attempting melismas in his vocal performances. When it comes to vocal runs, Eunkwang is quite adept at taking his time to hit every note with emphasis on rhythmic “bounces” that allow him to more accurately sing through slow to mid tempo runs, such as in “You Raise Me Up“, You’ll Be Alright and “가로수 그늘 아래 서면“, even though the right flow may not be present, he shows the care to carefully hit each note at a time. Whenever runs are sped up though, he has the tendency to rush through the notes with less accuracy in pitch, becoming sloppy in his delivery and somewhat pitchy, such as in “나비무덤” and “A Song For Mama“.

Overall analysis

Debuting in 2012 as part of Cube’s boyband BtoB, Eunkwang always had the role of the main vocalist of the group. Generally taking the higher harmony and the higher notes, his voice was always a highlight of BtoB songs, always taking the most challenging vocal lines in the group. With a group whose vocal line consists of two tenors, Eunkwang and Changsub, and two baritones, Sungjae and Hyunsik, it can often be challenging to find songs that can properly fit the ranges of both voice types. However as a tenor with a much higher and lighter voice, Eunkwang finds himself mostly at ease with the range generally written for BtoB’s repertoire.

From the bottom of his range, Eunkwang has for a long time shown the complete control of his instrument within a reasonably low range for a tenor. Compared to most tenors in K-pop, the average limit for the bottom of a tenor’s supported range generally lies around D3 ~ E3. However so, Eunkwang has proven that he’s able to produce a well connected tone, with the true tone of his voice being brought out at the bottom of the third octave with ease, good chest placement and resonance and support, such as the E3’s in “울어도 돼“, Eb3 in “You Raise Me Up“, D3 in “忘れないで (Wasurenaide)” and “까치 까치 설날은“, C#3 in “소주한잔” and C3 in “보고싶다“, “내 길 더 잘 아시니” and “가로수 그늘 아래 서면“. However below C3, he either has the tendency to let his voice become airy and lose tone, such as the B2 in “기억을 걷다“, G2 in “소주한잔” and F#2 in “소주한잔 (Lower Key)“, or occasionally slightly push his larynx down in order to somewhat project better in his lower, causing minimal strain to his vocal cords, such as the “You Raise Me Up“.

His mixed voice is quite balanced in tone, having a good amount of chest and head voice distributed throughout his range. He is able to often keep a relaxed tone in his mixed voice without over compensating power by pushing his voice with his throat, but instead by using proper breath support allowing for a more steady approach in his upper range. He is consistently able to keep a lifted soft palate and support in his mixed voice up to A4, often producing resonance in this range, such as the F#4 in “For My Love“, G4 in “그녀에게 전해주오“, G#4’s in “오늘은 가지마“, and A4’s in “Heaven“, “아버지“, “끝사랑” and “니가 싫어“. Above A4 up to B4 generally he’s still able to keep a well placed sound with a somewhat balanced mixed voice, however he tends to let his larynx raise causing strain to his voice in that range, such as the Bb4’s in “Be Alright” and “Bolero“, and B4’s in ““.  Above B4, his voice becomes a lot thinner in tone and his throat becomes a lot tighter, with a lot more tension from his swallowing muscles constricting his larynx creating a more strained, throaty, muffled and screeched out sound with a more head-dominant mixed voice approach, such as he C5 in “흔한 노래“, C#5’s in “Mirotic” and “삼오야 밝은 달“, D5 in “서쪽하늘“, Eb5 in “잊혀진다는 거“, E5 in “천일동안“, and F#5 in “She’s Gone“.

His falsetto register is not as often used and he shows slightly less confidence in this register compared to the rest of his voice. Nonetheless, the falsetto register is generally produced with a better cord connection than most, producing a slightly fuller tone than the average airy falsetto and is often well placed in his head resonating chambers. However so, he still shows some issues with his transitions into falsetto, at times with pitch problems, or he may at times produce a more pushed out mask placed falsetto with a high larynx, such as the G5 in “The VIXX vs BtoB vs MYNAME high note battle“. Oftentimes, he has shown a more relaxed approach with consistency up to C#5/D5 such as in “You’ll Be Alright” and “집으로 가는길“, and even at times with the “Oo (우)” vowel, good placement is kept up to F5, such as in “괜찮아요“. With the “Aye (애/에)” vowel, there are moments in which he shows issues with keeping an opened throat and thus produces a more constricted strained sound, such as the C5 in “뛰뛰빵빵” and the E5 in “You’re My Lady“.

Overall Eunkwang is very much in control of his voice within the C3 to A4 range, with consistent use of proper breath support and a well controlled sound dynamically, where he is able to choose airiness, softness in tone, or gradually add power to his voice, having a very well developed sense of musicality. That being said, outside that range he shows issues with consistency in tone production and that can eventually lead to vocal damage if the voice is to be overworked outside his supported range. One of the drawbacks of Eunkwang’s technique is the fact that he has been taught to use a larynx based vibrato, where his larynx is moved up and down creating an artificial vibrato which is essentially an inferior copy of a naturally produced vibrato, such as in “소주한잔“. Though this may cause some tension, it can be retaught and fixed. At times he also has issues with his posture which can create some upper body tension and he should be careful of such minor details as well as the bigger picture.

As a main vocalist, Eunkwang stands amongst the strongest of the strongest main vocalists in K-pop, specially having debuted in 2012, he’s not only been consistently able to keep his voice healthy and in shape, he has developed his voice to a degree that most other male idols have yet to achieve and for that he should be praised. In order to keep further improving himself as a vocalist, it should be advised that he takes care of the rest of his upper mixed range, addressing his larynx position and balance of his mixed voice. Another part that could be improved would be exploring the full potential of his falsetto register and developing it into a well connected head voice. As an overall musician, Eunkwang is not only a highly skilled vocalist, he is also able to play piano and should further use his ability as an instrumentalist to further his career as a musician, vocalist and entertainer.

Musicianship

Musically, Eunkwang would be what some would refer to as a karaoke singer. Many times that connotation isn’t exactly positive, but it is important to know that it’s better to be able to sing a song exactly as the original with precision and use dynamics to properly convey musical message, than to try and add runs and melodic changes that come off as showing off more so than actual enhancement of the musical message, which is what Eunkwang does. There are few times where he adds his own runs to certain performances, which may end up pitchy. Harmonically, however, Eunkwang, as the rest of the vocal line in BtoB, are quite familiar with adjusting each other’s volumes and blending their voices together, a skill that’s important to note when singing as part of a group. Eunkwang generally takes either the higher harmony or the melody in vocal harmonies, such as in “A Song For Mama” and “Christmas Carols Medley“.

Rating

Proficient Vocalist

Best Vocal Performance(s)

Analyzed by Ahmin (Kitsunemale)

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140 thoughts on “BtoB’s Vocal Analysis: Eunkwang

  1. Wow, so looks like he’s the strongest male idol vocalist in Cube then. Nice analysis, looks like Cube finds pretty good ones every once in a while.

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  2. From what I’ve heard, it seems like none of them are weak vocalists. Would BtoB be considered one of the stronger male groups vocally? (Especially outside of SM since freaking Super Junior, EXO and SHINee seem to be the best ones).

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  3. So is he the strongest vocalist in Cube? what makes him better than Yoseob? he has a better mix while Yoseob has a better lower range + head voice?

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    1. A considerably more consistent mix and no nasality, Yoseob has smaller resonance, slightly better lower range and a nasal head voice. Yoseob is not too far behind, he’s just sort of unabalanced.

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  4. Wow! Nice! When I clicked on the link I didn’t expect a fully detailed analysis so this is so cool 😁 really nice analysis 👍

    Would it be possible if you could analyze Changsub’s or Hyunsik’s vocals?
    This is really interesting 🙂

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      1. I remember reading somewhere that Hyunsik is a baritone, is that true? It’s really rare in kpop right? I’m also wondering if BTS V and Chanyeol are baritones, but since they don’t have an analysis I don’t know where to put the question…

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      2. It’s not rare it’s just less common for main or lead vocalists. That’s okay your question is fine. Idol baritones are mostly rappers like Yongguk, Jhope, Rap Monster, Minho, TOP, Zelo and Chanyeol and vocalists like Key, Kang Seungyoon, BAP Youngjae, V, HyunSik, Sungjae, Junho, SS501 Jungmin, etc.

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  5. Omg competent! Thought he’s about the same with Yoseob. Omg Eunkwang Ilysm haha our TOP10 is set 😀
    I have no idea of his falsetto until I read this analysis. Thank you! Still surprise he is competent kk

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  6. I’m a big fan of Eunkwang (and BtoB in general). I love how resonant he is! But I always thought he’d be rated Above Average due to the strain in some of his higher notes? Happy to be pleasantly surprised~ And yasss, that I Hate You cover is the bomb. It’s one of my fave performances from them, but it’s not very well known. I’m so glad you linked it.

    Thank you for the analysis!

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    1. What a vocalist does outside their supported range doesn’t really affect their rating; it is what they do within their supported range that determines the rating. He’s supported from C3 ~ A4 and resonates often he is where he needs to be.

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  7. Eunkwaaangiee~ he’s rated better than I expected. Thank you for writing such a detailed explanation and suggestions on what needs to be improved from him. How dangerous it is for him if he keep singing with that larynx vibrato and bad posture? If he fix those, is his singing gonna be significantly better? Again, thank youu! I enjoyed reading your analysis.

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    1. The larynx vibrato just usually causes nice notes like the F#4 linked to go from resonant to froggy. Those are more minor details though, the bigger issues happen outside his supported range more so than within.

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  8. I’m sure everyone or most are surprise he’s better than Yoseob. Nobody ever said so and Cube promote Yoseob so much as a powerhouse vocalist over him. It’s really sad when ones didn’t get the recognition they deserve u__u

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  9. Ahmin, here again with the paper. I might have to take you up on a short interview. If you could answer, that would be great. What do you think motivates the readers to keep coming back and read these analyses?
    I made a list of reasons but I want to see if they get your approval.
    Get tired of seeing endless praising of their fave singers and look for unbiased analysis.
    Want to see how good their faves are and compare them to other singers.
    Are simply curious.
    Want to know about vocal technique
    They sing like their faves and want to see if that technique is healthy and/or good.
    Want to use these analyses in future arguments with other fans.

    Did I miss anything? You know your readers better than anyone.

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    1. If we have to be honest, not only the knowledge we provide in order to help people with their own singing and how often we reply to the many questions we get daily, the fact that we have a ranking system makes people very curious to find out who is going to be rated where and why. The rating system is a big factor on our popularity. The reasons for finding the ratings are multiple, it could be in order to find out if their favorite vocalist is truly good at what they do or if they’re overhyped, in order to have a back up argument against someone.

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  10. Wow I never expected Eunkwang to be this good 0-0 The moment I saw C3~A4, I’m all like, “Competent” 😄 I expected him to be above average based off some past comments. I’m not a huge fan of BtoB, but I know Sungjae is a baritone. I remember hearing that he was around above average or so as a baritone. I’m curious to know his supported range… Just a basic outline of it would be fine. His performance on King of Masked Singer sounded pretty decent in my opinion. I wonder why he’s not considered a lead vocal in BtoB 😄

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    1. This has been answered before, you should ask questions like this in the future analyses page if the artist you’re asking about has not been analyzed yet.

      “11:02 flat. 11:05 airy A3 into almost no sound F#3. It happens again later on, she kind of lowers her larynx even on the A3, she can’t project well in her lower range. 11:28 A4 was nice, 11:32 A3 ~ F#3 more tone than whoever sang earlier but lowered larynx, so strained. 11:35 somewhat alright transition into falsetto. 11:38 B4 and 11:40 C#5, high larynx and tight throat but the phrased A4’s are fine. 11:44 sloppy run. 11:50 sounds better now, but the B4 and C#5 still seem strained. 12:01 and 12:04 those don’t seem too bad, I hear support and much better placement, but it could be better still. 12:14 falsetto, 12:16 sloppy run, not too bad. 12:24 throat C#5’s, 12:27 nice harmony!! 12:41 very sloppy run, whoever is singing is pretty pitchy in this pre-chorus. 12:50 I hear support on the B4, the C#5 is closed but she does have much better than the rest on B4. 12:28 there is some throatiness but she is pushing through it with more openness in placement than I’d expect. The bridge is full of falsetto from 13:33 ~ 13:44 but the pitch isn’t bad, if Hyojung is the one singing next in her falsetto, she is really pitchy. if up until 14:14 is YooA, she’s really tight and nasal on those notes. Seunghee has really nice openness, but her support needs work and her consistency. All of their runs need work, all of their falsetto need work and all of their lower ranges need A LOT of work.”
      Seunghee has a lot of potential indeed, she produces resonance and I really enjoyed her King Of Mask Singer performance.

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    1. I have heard of her, I’ve heard her singing before but I’ve not heard anything impressive vocally. We try to focus on K-pop, so we don’t follow Chinese music much.

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    1. You didn’t specify what note you meant in the third video but for the first two videos both notes are G5’s, the first one is kind of sharp so it’s almost G#5. He hit those with a very pushed mask placed nasal falsetto, lots of tension and strain involved. They’re not good notes.

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  11. Hi. Thank you so much for this! BTOB has a vocal line that is pretty good compared to other bands. But I realized Hyunsik’s vocals are kind of “overshadowed” by the other member’s vocals. As a result I was always curious on his voice and what good or bad attributes he has. In the recent songs he was finally given a lot of lines. From what I have heard through BTOB live performances, his voice is kind of… grainy+sexy? idk lol. Hyunsik to me is kind of weird lol because sometimes he has the deepest voice in BTOB, but he can also go pretty high like in

    (2:10-2:21)

    at 3:23

    at round 2:55 ishh

    I know his english and lyrics sometimes are off, but can you pleaseeee evaluate his techniques and stuff. I don’t have a specific part you can look into but you can skip thruu.

    My knowledge in music is pretty limited so you can help me ^^ thanks sooo muchhhh.

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    1. Yes Hyunshik has a deeper voice, both he and Sungjae are baritones but Hyunshik has a very extensive mixed voice range. Having said that, he strains a lot above F4 or even lower than that. I haven’t heard enough of him to be sure of when his support ends but I know F4/F#4 for him is pretty much in his throat, he pushes his voice out completely through his throat and basically sound quite yelled. His high notes often sound really screamed, which is understandable since he’s trying to sing as high as a tenor would.

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      1. oooh that makes sense, he often screams his high notes because that’s as much as his voice will allow him to do. Thank you. In your opinion since both Sungjae and Hyunsik are baritones, who is a better singer in terms of stability. I know that Sungjae can hit a high note but can’t hold it very long like:

        (3:03 -3:11) and if you skip to (3:19) he went really high but couldn’t hold it very long.

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  12. that being he said I think he did pretty well! Especially from (3:33-1:00) Like I felt like he did pretty good in keeping his voice stable for a sub sub vocal

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  13. Ahmin, I have to thank you SO much for creating this blog. As a training singer myself, I’m addicted to reading all your analyses as they are making me cognizant of the direction I need to take my voice in order to make it “idol” material, haha.

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    1. Sir although I appreciate the compliments, this blog isn’t mine alone. I didn’t really create it but we as a team of three, Haruko, Pandayeu and I make up what this blog is so you shouldn’t thank me alone but instead all of us as a strong team. ^ ^ Thanks for reading our analyses and please do make sure you see whose analysis is whose and that you support us all so that we can all support you as well! Good luck on your path as a singer!

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  14. Hi! I’ve been following this blog for several months and I want to say that I actually learned a lot from this blog. Don’t worry about those people who bash all of you, since they’re the biased one. If you keep the good quality of your analyses, sooner or later more people will realize it. I hope your analyses are not misused though.
    Anyway, I would like to ask a question :
    From those Eunkwang’s best performance I notice that he sounds slightly different in the first video compared to the second video. He kinda sounds different in this one too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USp2yHkCO_U (you probably have seen it). What makes them sound different? After listening to his performances I find his voice can be tricky sometimes (or maybe it’s just me lol). I have read the part about he can “modify” his mix to an extent, so I just want to know some more details.
    Thank you very much for doing his analysis with some nice details. I actually read it several times to get better understanding about his voice. I do read the others too actually, so keep up the good work!

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    1. Yeah being misused is a worry of mine personally as many people seem to use our analyses in petty arguments that I couldn’t care about tbh. I believe it all has to do with how Eunkwang is mixing since he’s able to manipulate the amount of chest and head in his mix, in the Korean national anthem he was singing with a fuller chestier approach but many times he tries to sing with less chestiness and adds more brightness, so he sings with less of a bassy sound and with a lighter quality. Awww I’m glad you read it many times, that makes me feel very happy. ^ ^

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      1. Ah, I see. Thank you for answering my question. His vocal used to make me confused a lot more before, since I had nothing to compare and my knowledge about vocals were still very limited (it’s still now though, lol). From the analysis, I’m actually quite relieved that his upper and lower register aren’t that bad, seeing that he wasn’t really comfortable/confident in using them (from observing their videos). I hope he can improve, especially in developing his upper register since his parts seem to get higher and higher, lol. No problem, I always have fun reading the analyses and the comments especially the informative ones.
        Also, do you mind if I ask more about some of his recent performances? (maybe I will ask about other vocalists too if I’m done asking about him ^^).

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  15. Hi again! I’m sorry for taking a long time before I ask again. I actually want to know about his falsettos in these recent performances. Do they sound different than his usual ones?.
    From their 2015 concert (these are fancams so I hope they sound clear enough).

    @3.31-3.32

    @3.27-3.28
    I also want to ask about the note after that but Changsub also sang at the same time lol.
    From his recent duet performance with Changsub

    @1.53 or 1.51-1.53
    Thank you!
    ps. Have you seen the video where he tried to warm up his lower register with Hyunsik (there are lots of low larynx, even vocal fry i think)? just in case lol

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    1. The placement isn’t bad for any of them but they’re all pushed and tense, he needs to open up more in general. I have not, do you have a link? All I heard new was that Eunkwang hit a Bb5 recently! That was exciting to me, I might make a vocal range video for him.

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      1. Thank you for fast reply. I really need to learn a lot lol. Are those still counted as his falsettos? Actually that Bb5 was one of the reasons why I said that he seemed to sing higher nowadays lol.
        That low notes warm up part was inside one of their shows, He hit some notes at the same time with Hyunsik so they’re probably not very clear. Since I’m still bad in determining low notes, I don’t know exactly which they are, even with the help of piano. They do random singing quite a lot in their shows.
        Here it is:

        it started from 0.58-1.07 (just skip if you don’t want to watch the rest lol).
        A vocal range of him would be nice although I personally think that It can be done later, since you have probably more priority in doing other projects.

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      2. Oh of course, they do count as falsettos. One of them wasn’t very high..actually two weren’t, but he did hit a G5. I am thinking about making a vocal range video for him now lol So Eunkwang’s lowest note was F#2 before right? 1:04, before that they both went for F#2, then Hyunsik hit E2. 1:01 he was already trying to lower his larynx. Hyunsik actually hit D2. 0:58 that E3 was really throaty though, Hyunsik’s approach to singing is way too harsh sometimes.

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    1. Yes yes it is, that is correct. That run unfortunately had too much air, he was just blowing air out and so there was no true effort from his vocal cords so it sounded rhythmically sloppy and the pitch could’ve been more centered.

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      1. Ah I definitely felt like it sounded rhythmically sloppy but I still don’t think I can tell if something is pitchy. I’ll certainly find other runs to see. Who, in kpop, would you say has really good runs?

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    1. There was that strained B4 around 2:40 and then that 2:55 was a F#5, falsetto. The connection is kind of leaning towards a head voice and the placement is nice. It lacks support and sounds pretty pushed though but his runs sound pretty nice here, they’re smoother and more accurate. ^ ^

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    1. 0:19 that sounds nice, he’s got a nice connected relaxed approach in his chest voice. 0:22 0:29 there’s a bit of shallowness in these, Eb4’s, to B3’s. He uses a shallow breath support for these, he could use a stronger connection between his diaphragm and his vocal cords. 0:37 high larynx on the E4, 0:39 that run was really pitchy, really sloppy. 0:49 onward he’s singing in a more comfortable range, G3’s down to C#3, very comfortable for a baritone. 0:55 still those pitchy runs. 1:03 still shallow but C#4’s are more relaxed for him. Hyunsik has a very nice voice, but he tends to sound shallow when it comes to his breath support unfortunately. 1:18 I hear tension but the connection of what I’d call his head voice isn’t bad. 1:33 those pitchy runs still. 1:35 the shallow, throaty E4’s. 1:47 somewhat flat D#4. 1:50 really pitchy and throaty on those F#4’s and that run afterwards. 2:13 really throaty and tense up there. He sings with a tight throat and a high larynx all the time above E4. 2:25 his runs are really pitchy too. 2:51 really shallow and tense. 3:00 I understand a portion of this is slightly stylistic for the rockiness of it all, but he sounds really throaty and shouty. 3:42 at least he can use a head voice, it lacks support but it sounds connected. E5 to G#5. 4:10 really shouty B4’s. 4:34 really yelled, a lot of throat tension. This performance helped me choose whom we’re going to analyze from BtoB. It’s going to be Sungjae and Changsub, not Hyunsik.

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      1. About Hyunsik being the weakest, I’m sure this will come as a surprise to everyone because he’s always rated above Sungjae (actually nothing should suprise me any more when a highly praised main vocal has been rated as weak). But I think Sungjae improved himself a lot through the years. One thing about Hyunsik, I have always thought he doesn’t choose the right songs. Although I absolutely love his voice, I don’t enjoy his solo stages as much as the other three. Anyway, thank you for the analysis and I’m happy that Sungjae will be analyzed 🙂

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      2. I believe it’s because Hyunsik is considered an actual lead and he takes a lot of their high notes in songs, so he is deemed as a stronger vocalist due to that. No problem, their analyses should come out soon within the next week or two. ^ ^

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  16. Hi again, ahmin. I’m eagerly anticipating cs and sj’s analyses and in the mean time, i’ve got some questions to ask you. Hope you don’t mind. So here they are.
    Do cs and sj ever produce resonance? If a vocalist is unable to produce resonance, is it because her/his support is not strong enough? How do you differentiate unsupported notes, supported but not resonant notes, and resonant ones? I read through the vocal pedagogy page but i’m still confused. Forgive mee.
    And i’ve been curious for some time now. If you can hear weaknesses, strains, slight off pitch notes, then i imagine it will be very hard to listen to weak vocalists, right? So do you have like a standard of vocalists you could listen to without being bothered by their flaws?

    Thanks a lot. Sorry for the long post.

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    1. I honestly can’t answer these questions for sure, because I don’t know the answers yet. I’ll find out as I analyze them. Resonance is not just about support, it’s bout placement and openness. Wendy can support D5, but she has yet to produce resonance. Okay so the support thing, please go watch our vocal tips for Kpop fans #2 to find out the answer to your question, cause hearing it will be better than reading it. Yes listening to weaker vocalists can be kind of hard. Lol studio wise I don’t mind weak vocalists cause if I like the song, I like the song. Sometimes some people make me cringe in studio but most of the time it’s fine. For live.. I don’t know, depends on the song.

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  17. Hey there. First of all, thank you for this blog, it really helped me a lot. Now, I wanted to know a few things:

    First, was Changsub’s vibrato healthy in this video? His high note starts at 2:01 (also, this is an old video and I don’t know if someone already asked this, but…)

    Second, how high did Hyunsik went at 2:57? He’s a baritone, right? Even having a wide vocal range, he still sounds really pushed when going high, almost as if he’s yelling, doesn’t he?

    SAYING THAT, I’m sorry if I don’t make sense and if it seems like I’m just mumbling and talking in circles, but I really wanted to know how can I identify someone’s vocal type. I’m mean, I know that it basically just means the weight of your vocal folds and that it can be identified by timbre, vocal range, tessitura and etc, but I find really difficult to see that in Kpop. To me, some are really obvious, like Chanyeol and Hwanhee being baritones, while Jonghyun and Eunkwang being tenors. I tought that a baritone needed to have a deep and low voice, while a tenor needed to have a light and high voice (which I believe is still true), but then I came here to see that Youngjae, Zelo and Key are baritones, while I find their voices really high pitched (I don’t know if that’s the right expression to use, but I just meant that they don’t have that deep voice John Park). Then the “tenors are better singing high”, while we sure have Jongdae and Onew singing better with low notes than high ones. And also Kyuhyun, who has a better lower register and upper one. This just makes me really confused. And I’ve seen that outside Kpop voice classification doesn’t really matter (at least if you’re not in Opera), because some tenors and sopranos can go really low and some baritones can go really high (like Norm Lewis). Maybe that’s because in kpop they don’t really get instruct on how to achieve a wider vocal range? And they just stick with wathever they have and make it sound pretty? I’m sorry it was too long.

    TL;DR: is there a way for me to identify voice types solely by hearing someone sing without thinking too deep about more technical things, since I sure am an amateur?

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    1. Hi! First of all thank YOU for asking BtoB related questions on a BtoB analysis, it’s more organized this way. Haha my next analyses are Changsub and Sungjae btw. ^ ^ So his vibrato wasn’t really a thing cause he wasn’t sustaining notes until he went for that C5/C#5, whatever it was. It’s a very strained note so to say that his vibrato was healthy might not be correct cause the note wasn’t healthy. The note that Hyunsik peaked at was E5. He is a baritone yes, he tends to sound very yelly in his mix which is a shame.

      Oh no I understand you. See the thing is I’m a baritone so I’m immune to their tricks. Many Kpop baritones sing like tenors, so when they sing so highly and lightly it gets hard to tell who’s who. I mean of course amongst baritones you’ll have heavier weight and lighter weight baritones even though they’re in the same fach. When Zelo raps he can sound like a tenor, but when he speaks or sings, he sounds more like a baritone. Youngjae and Key sound like baritones in a baritone range but Key can take his mix much higher. The thing is if you compare key on like the range from C4 ~ F4 to a tenor like Jonghyun, Key sounds much thicker and heavier. As they go higher, Jonghyuns voice would start to adjust and mix more, whereas Keys would start becoming less comfortable. So it’s not that Tenors are more comfortable mixing than using their chest voices, it’s just comparatively, the ranges where they shine are different.

      Actually voice classification doesn’t matter outside opera in general because what matters is the range you can sing well in, more so in studio than over an orchestra live. However in Kpop many baritones mix very high and voice classification should be more emphasized so that baritones don’t have to yell like they’re tenors in order to be praised for their singing. You can have a lower voice and be just as good as a tenor. It’s very unfair to even tenors who are constantly singing in a soprano range, so they don’t care about voice classification but they should.

      Aside from all the other technical things you already know, also listening to their speaking range can help you identify who’s a tenor and who’s a baritone. ^ ^

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      1. That was fast, thank you!! Actually I love your vocal tips, so they really helped me to learn a few things, like recognizing straining and etc, but what I meant with a healthy vibrato was more like a… natural one. Since he isn’t moving his larinx or his jaw while doing it, even when his note was strained, was it a tongue tension?

        I do believe it would be great if companies could respect the voice of their artists, because I see a lot of them struggling to sing, and that’s not healthy at all. And I feel like baritones suffer the most in Kpop, because they have to sing really higher than comfortable just to make sure it would be pretty. Or then we have someone like V, who has a beautiful voice, yet does that raspy, throathy thing. But you know, for a while I tought everyone who had a softer voice were baritones while who had a higher voice were tenors, and I even thought that D.O, Onew and Daehyun were baritones, but then they can sing pretty high. I need really to be better at recognizing notes. But sometimes I can be afraid of learning more technical things about singing, because I really like to watch/hear live performances and I feel like I wouldn’t be able to enjoy them as much, think about how “that note was too strained” or “they were flat”. Do you have that problem? I read that you couldn’t enjoy Myungsoo’s singing because of his tongue tension.

        Also, I’M SORRY FOR TALKING TOO MUCH, but can I ask you if you’re brazilian? Because I see you speaking portuguese a lot here and it doesn’t look like you’re just copy pasting from Google Translate. SORRY IF I’M WRONG, but also Matheus Dias is a very common name here in Brazil.

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      2. I think the vibrato he used was natural even if he was forcing it out. Oh it’s okay someone once argued with my friend that Daehyun was better than Baekhyun and Baekhyun had a better lower range than Daehyun because Baekhyun is a baritone lol I do have that problem so if a vocalist isn’t very skilled, watching their vocal performances can be a huge struggle for me. I mean HUGE. lol Sometimes analyzing weak vocalists is a struggle. Oh I am not google translating at all, I speak 5 languages and Portuguese is one of them. Oh how do you know my last name? But yeah I hold a Brazilian citizenship.

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      3. Not even I thought Baekhyun was a baritone, and that says a lot. Well, I’m still an amateur and I already have some singers I can’t listen to, which makes me sad because some of them I really, really like. Specially those who are not main or lead and then sometimes almost ruins a whole performance for me. 5 languages? I’m working my way to it. Maybe it was Instagram? I was looking somewhere to see if you said you’re brazilian. But well, thank you so much for all your answers, I’m really glad 🙂

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      4. Well the vocalists that I like ill listen to them in studio regardless of vocal ability. Oh right my Instagram lol Well I am a Brazilian citizen but I don’t consider myself “Brazilian.” I don’t consider myself anything.

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      5. Oh well, even if I still live in Brazil, since I’m from Rio Grande do Sul, I can absolutely understand you not considering yourself “Brazilian”

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  18. Hi ahmin…
    I wanna know this… btob have quite many Japanese song..
    Do you include that song too in your analysis for the members?

    Just curious tough hehehe

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    1. We include live material that’s relevant to the analyses, if there’s enough Korean material then it doesn’t really matter, there’s no need to listen to their Japanese discography.

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    1. This was addressed before sometime ago, so I’ll copy-paste:

      “0:32 and 0:28, those were flat for Changsub, the rest is nice, support is all there for him. Those notes in the melody are F4’s, when Ken sang them he was more centered in pitch but throatier in approach. 0:48 those G#4’s are sung with a heady mix and a high larynx, so the strain is less obvious. Eunkwang sounds good, relaxed, well placed. 1:08 G#4’s and G4’s, tight, shallow, throaty. Airy tone in this part, a bit too much in his throat. 1:11 and 1:12 tight G4’s. The chorus is full of G#4’s for the main melody, which is what Eunkwang was singing, again with really good placement throughout. 1:44 Bb4 strained. 1:46 heady C5 for Eunkwang, uneven and thinned out with a high larynx but not that bad. For some reason, it sounds better than Leo’s G4’s. 2:00 Ken was pushing out some high larynx C5’s… this wasn’t a bad performance because it didn’t stay high for too long for any of them, but the gap between Leo, Ken and Changsub with Eunkwang is very obvious. The key had changed so the chorus had a bunch of tight G#4’s and A4’s for Leo as well. 1:58 Changsub also had a C5, also with a high larynx but not that bad.”

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  19. Ahmin, I’m back with another perf!

    How did Eunkwang (I mean Seokbong) do here? This is mainly in his supported range so I thought it was a really comfortable song for him… Excited to see what he does in the second/third round:)

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    1. Who’s the other guy with the tongue tension? He sounds like an older singer. So Seokbong’s mom got eliminated.. lol Eunkwang’s flow in the rap-singing verse was so much better. Omg I don’t want to watch the video for the eliminated guy’s identity, I KNOW his voice omg. Everything was good except for that laryngeal tense vibrato on his A4 at 1:54. Oh I found his identity, nvm Idk him. LOL He sounds like a baritone though.

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      1. He did pretty well! He even used a supported head voice up to D5, but above that it had some strain. He did pretty well apart from the tension and the laryngeal vibrato at the end of the A4 there.

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      2. Hmm, head voice? Is that new for him? I don’t think I remember him using his head voice much before…

        He did well, I’m proud 🙂

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  20. Well it’s just for fun but I wanna share this performance vid to you, Ahmin.

    Interesting points about this videos, imo, are:
    I realized Hyunsik likes to growl when singing,
    Changsub kinda sounds like he wanna impersonate western singer’s singing style,
    Eunkwang’s adlibs are somewhat cringey and his body movements entertain me,
    Sungjae was a fetus in it.

    so, what do you think about the performance, Ahmin? (this is a real question. Lol)

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    1. I do feel you about the body movements. Changsub’s runs and adlibs throughout weren’t bad! He had really nice opened moments. HyunSik wasn’t bad but too much throat and some pitch issues. Sungjae sounded fine too, for the most part. Eunkwang had some nice head voice moments too.

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  21. Hi admin, im back ^^
    Have you watch eunkwang singing in duet song festival?? His partner also have a great voice

    This is the audio version,
    Could you do some short analysis, for eunkwang and his partner if possible??
    I think their voiCe kinda match well ^^

    Thank you >.<

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    1. They both sound very nice, they have nice placement and are very opened. Because of that they suit each other since they approach singing similarly. 2:15 ~ 2:30 I hear tension in her D5’s here and there, but the placement is pretty nice. 3:20 his Bb4 with her D5 didn’t sound bad! 3:34 his Bb4’s don’t sound bad in general. They sounded nice together, the range was mostly comfortable.

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    1. Help you how? Unfortunately your question is very vague, I don’t know if you’re asking for pitch and I don’t know what member you want me to focus on. 0:52 ~ 1:04 it’s all right and above Sungjaes supported range except for like a G#3. The range was Eb4 ~ G#4. As for 3:05 ~ 3:30 everyone was singing and I hear nothing new, they’re straining on the notes they always strained on, same thing for the chorus.

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      1. Thank you for answering, and sorry for being vague, but i wanted to know if it’s supported or not. (sorry if my english is bad)
        Ps: love this blog.

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  22. hellooo I just want to know whether after his king of masked singer appearance, is there a change or an improvement to his singing? especially when he went all opera and blew everyone away HAHA

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    1. I didn’t hear improvement but I did hear more consistency with his head voice, but not exactly a development of it. That was the only thing that was different that I noticed.

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  23. Hey Ahmin,

    Dropping by to ask a question regarding Kino, another CUBE artist. Btw nice new profile picture LOL

    What do you think about his technique in general? Pay attention to his cover of Sivan’s Fools because it’s in that performance that he seems to show the most attempt into singing well (rarely dances there)

    What I can say is: Out of ALL the singers in PENTAGON, he seems to be the only one who does not oversing. He’s not a really good singer, but he’s not a bad one either ! Every note that I’ve heard from him live, though not well supported, are well placed. He hasn’t showcased any major pitch problem live despite some strains. I’ve not noticed any instances in which he goes flat but those could be subtle.

    What does he seem to you ? Baritone or Tenor ? His timbre speaks Tenor to me in the higher register but Baritone when he descends into the third octave LOL. He sings relatively low too and strains quite early despite not bringing up much chest in his mix. He sounds like a better me in terms of technique in my opinion hahah

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    1. Thank you for the compliment. I do not mean this rudely, but you are asking about a vocalist whose position in the group is “sub-vocalist”…so it makes me wonder why you’re asking about his vocal ability considering you and I both know what to expect. Now I appreciate whole-heartedly that you went through it and talked about what you hear in his singing. That makes me happy and it shows me you’re doing your own part, your own learning part that is. Many of his lines are half-sung, half-rapped. He doesn’t properly sing. He doesn’t oversing, you’re right cause..he doesn’t really sing much period. All I hear is throat when he sings and half-speaking, he’s not very legato when he sings. All I hear is him using his throat. I don’t hear good placement at all, all I hear is him using his throat almost completely.

      The cover of Fools is the only video in which he is actually attempting to sing. I still don’t hear any support. If I had to guess, I’d say he’s a tenor before I’d guess he’s a baritone. Like you said, he strains quite early in his range, which again if you already knew that I am not entirely sure why you were curious about him. I don’t hear proper support anywhere really, and I think he tends to be a bit chesty sometimes. His overall placement when singing that song was light and mask-placed enough to make it sound pleasing to the ear but there was no support.

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      1. Woops sorry for the half finished reply, here’s my full message:

        Hahah, I don’t think the tag “sub-vocalist” should be relevant. If he’s singing, then I’d like to assure that he sings well.

        However, I really don’t want to take the half-sung, Kid Ink, third octave-ish melodies that he does in the Hip-Hop songs in consideration, I should’ve pointed that out when I told you to pay attention the most to Fools.

        When I said that the notes were well placed, I meant solely the pitches LOL Obviously, his projection really isn’t anything good due to his lack of support but I’m glad that his pitch is okay.

        I’m aware that he was using his throat, but I was wondering if that was a lot or not, since to my ear of lesser experience, his throatiness was only subtle. Thanks for the legato remarks, I never paid attention to that.

        Yes I don’t think that his support in the Sivan song was good, but I think that he was less tense than in e.c. Sorry

        Now that you say it I just realised. Indeed, in Fools he was actually overly chesty! If I’m not mistaken his “Do what I do” ad-lib was very chesty for a high melody. Strange, I don’t hear much cheat in his other songs when he’s in the fourth octave (listened to the studio songs and live)

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      2. Okay let me rephrase. Do you know any sub vocalist of any group who would not fall under the weak rating? Or weak to average at most? Cause if so, please let me know. If not, then you know what to expect of sub-vocalists. If lead and main vocalists often fall from weak up to average, it is not likely in a group like Pentagon that their sub-vocalists would fair any better at all. Oh the pitch only? I see. I mean again quite clearly with the way he supports…or well, doesn’t support, he is a weak vocalist without a doubt.

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      3. Oh but do you think he’s got potential to be good easily though? His sound is not so open, so no resonance, he also supports poorly, gets tense and throaty in high notes but do you think he has the ability to improve a lot?

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      4. Honey I’m not clairvoyant. Everybody has potential but what he’s shown doesn’t tell me if he’s gonna improve, that depends on him and not me.

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  24. I just find it hilarious that this conversation (about Pentagon sub-vocalists) is in the analysis of a BTOB vocalist, and Sungjae (as he calls himself, a sub-sub vocalist) is average… 😀

    No, ahmin, I’m not being facetious. 🙂

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      1. I agree. I don’t think he started out as a main/lead, but as of now I’d say BTOB’s main vocal(s) are Eunkwang/Changsub and lead vocal(s) Hyunsik/Sungjae, with Changsub being the one I’m unsure of.

        Back to your question, I think Minzy? I always thought CL was the lead vocalist in 2NE1 officially. Surprisingly companies are pretty good at picking out their best few vocalists, but suck at ranking them (instances in which leads are better than mains are a lot more often than I thought)

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  25. hi admins! i love spending time on this blog reading analysis over analysis until i realise that hours have passed… anyway, since i’m on eunkwang’s analysis this time, i want to ask about him. on vlive, he posted a video (http://www.vlive.tv/video/17954) where he gives a vocal lesson to ilhoon and his manager. the video is too long for you to waste your time on (almost 2 hours omg) so here’s some main points i am curious about:

    1) 4.46 he mentions half air half sound kind of singing. is he actually referring to airiness in singing?

    2) 1.02.00 he talks about vibrato. he said that he taught himself how to do vibrato in middle school. if he wasn’t corrected during actual vocal training, well, how hard is it for him to relearn healthy vibrato since he’s been doing the larynx vibrato for so long? i imagine that it would be like muscle memory or something, like unlearning how to ride a bicycle lol. at around 1.03.00 he talks about how he makes the vibrato which doesn’t make sense to me since i have no knowledge about vocals. does his theory sound okay? 1.03.57 he shows how he practices it.

    thanks in advance!

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    1. Hi there! Actually I’ve seen this before, not the whole thing because I did not have the attention span necessary to handle watching the whole thing but I did watch some of it and I was quite pleased with how much he knew. When he mentioned half air half sound, he actually showed it as a way to sing without constricting and compressing the vocal cords too tightly, but instead giving them just enough pressure with just enough air. His definition of half air half sound is not JYP’s definition of it BUT his is much better.

      The thing is he is completely aware on how to produce a proper and healthy vibrato in theory, but he just doesn’t do it practically. He knows the theory of a vibrato from the larynx and a vibrato from proper breath support, he even said the breath support one was more advanced and more difficult. Now the thing is even though he was trying to teach them the proper vibrato, the vibrato he executed was still laryngeal throughout. His theory of it made complete sense to me, although I may not agree that the diaphragm has to do much for the vibrato to occur, but he gets the gist of it. The thing is he still only uses the laryngeal one.

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  26. Hi admins again! Eunkwang was on immortal song 2 yesterday

    What do you think about his performance? Anything new? He mentioned he missed the members on stage because he was alone lol

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    1. 0:19 C3’s 0:26 C3’s, that’s where support happened in his lower range. The rest of notes were A2’s with lack of clarity in tone and non-neutral larynx, no support. 0:39 head voice up to C5, good support. The run could’ve been a little cleaner, he rushed it. He has a couple of trills here and there like 0:54. The head voice is a bit mask-y in placement, which isn’t a bad thing. The dynamics throughout are pretty nice, he is supporting just fine throughout. He is transitioning well into his head voice, he is using it quite a lot actually. 2:04 resonance but it could’ve been more relaxed, A4. 2:01 he is moving his jaw a bit too much. 2:11 here too, the run wasn’t bad but there’s too much jaw movement. Most of what I’m hearing is within the E4 ~ G4 range, so he’s fine. 3:21 resonant F4 followed by a very well placed Bb4 then 3:24 C5 to C#5 high larynx. 3:27 the quick trill wasn’t bad, 3:31 not bad runs, but too much H, he is using too much air on his runs here. They could be smoother. The C5’s are strained throughout, 3:48 here as well. 3:43 that quick phrased Bb4 wasn’t bad either. Sometimes his Bb4’s have somewhat good placement. Good dynamics throughout, good control, good transitions, good supported head voice. Nothing new, perhaps a few moments of more consistent support in head voice and Bb4’s, that was interesting to hear.

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      1. Hi Ahmin.
        I’m curious. Before this performance, did Eunkwang ever support Bb4? If he’s not consistent in supporting Bb4 and head voice before, how to tell if he’s consistent now? ._. Eunkwang has one more singing gig i think, he will go to KBS’s singing battle, i hope he can show more.
        Thanks 🙂

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      2. Yes, it is mentioned within the analysis as well that he’d been able to maintain properly placed notes even as high as B4. How to tell if he’s consistent? Well the Bb4’s were well placed but they weren’t fully supported, they’re kind of there but it’s even inconsistent within the performance. Consistency is only possible to be known by watching him over time. One performance isn’t enough.

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