Big Bang’s Vocal Analysis: Daesung [Newly Updated]

Daesung

Vocal Range

C3 ~ D6 (3 octaves and 1 note)
(Might be able to go lower)

Supported Range

E3 ~ F#4

E3 ~ F5 (including head voice)

Voice Type

Light-Lyric Tenor

Strengths/Achievements

  • Consistent intonation, shown improvement in this area from debut
  • Strongest vocalist in Big Bang
  • No real nasality is present in his singing
  • Generally able to support his range up to F#4/G4
  • At times able to properly place his voice and achieve a resonant sound, on F#4 and below
  • Able to produce a fuller healthier head voice, rather than a falsetto
  • Most extensive range in Big Bang, particularly in falsetto
  • Able to support lower notes down to E3

Weaknesses

  • Very underdeveloped lower range, one of the weakest amongst male K-pop vocalists
  • Inconsistency in support and keeping resonance in his supported range on F#4’s and G4’s
  • Notes above G4 are generally very throaty, lack support and sound very strained
  • Head voice above F5 tends to lose connection, become a pinched tense falsetto
  • Sometimes inconsistent with keeping his tongue not tense in his upper range
  • Uneven mixing ability, can’t completely control how much chest or head he has in his mix
  • Not shown huge improvement in many areas of his singing throughout the years
  • Unable to correctly use effects, such as distortion or breathiness, without turning them on and off at will
  • Jaw and larynx vibrato present in his singing

Registers

  • Lower register: his lower register is his weakest and most underdeveloped register. Notes around this register tend to be very quiet and breathy, particularly below E3, where his voice loses cord connection and projection. He’s unable to correctly control the pitch in this area but that’s because the notes that come out are barely audible and lack true tone. He’s only able to correctly support notes on E3’s and F3’s, or above.
  • Mixed register: Not a bad mixed register, however he has the tendency to bring his sound back instead of keeping it forward and supported even on his normally supported range. Notes such as F4 seem to always been fine for him, but F#4’s and G4’s can at times have tongue tension and have his throat be closed. Any note above G4 lacks any sort of true mixing, where he will just shout and create a very rocky strained throaty sound up until C5.
  • Upper register: His head voice, throughout the years, has improved the most. He’s been able to correctly connect his vocal cords to produce a clean and controlled head voice which is able to be relaxed and correctly run through melodies, as well as be accessed easily from his mixed register through very good switches. He is able to stay relaxed and supported up until F5. The times he goes above that, though, his voice becomes noticeably less present, more throaty and more squeaky in sound, becoming more of a falsetto. However so, still very extensive in range.

Agility

As a lyric tenor, his voice isn’t too far from finding melismas and runs easy to produce. He does not have the tendency to add onto runs nor do vocal runs outside of his comfortable range. On the few times he’s shown to do runs, they tend to be accurate in terms of pitch separation, but he tends to lack in terms of agility, meaning, his runs tend to be medium-slow to slow in speed, but accurate in pitch. His head voice is the one which is able to most comfortable show itself in terms of vocal runs and can be quite well controlled.

Overall analysis

Daesung’s voice is one of the darker voices amongst K-Pop tenors. It sounds much fuller and mellower in tone, still retaining a more creamy texture. Sadly, following the YG trend, Big Bang’s Daesung is also an underrated vocalist, outshined by the main vocalist in the group, Taeyang, although having superior vocal skill overall. YG has the tendency to train their vocalists to be free performers, so their focus on pursuing artistic freedom is greater than pursuing mastery in their vocal technique. They grow as artists, but vocally they aren’t given proper vocal training, which shows in the overall development of the vocal technique in their biggest idol groups, also lack of judgment in choosing a main vocalist who should be more skilled than the lead vocalist.

Overall, his range is very weak in his lower register. In songs such as “I Love You”, Daesung stays in a comfortable key where he hits F3’s comfortably and that’s usually where he’ll sing most of his songs. In performances such as “지금 이 순간 (This is The Moment)”, Daesung’s lower register vanishes in terms of tone production and volume, become airy and losing projection. He tends to not support or comfortable have access to his lower register below E3, where his voice is asked to sing at times, in such songs that do go as low as C3. For a male tenor, that’s an underdevelopment in comparison to where his voice should comfortable be able to stay in.

His mixed register is a better developed register which is mostly comfortably supported on F4’s, very consistently and up until F#4 with moments on relaxed and supported G4’s. However, Daesung has the tendency to at times tense his tongue and bring the sound back in his throat, not letting it correctly be placed in his mask and project properly, causing a distorted sound even in low belts such as F#4’s and G4’s. At other times, Daesung is able to correctly breathe through his singing and support with a focused resonant sound, shown at moments on notes below F4 and on an F#4 sustained at the of  “지금 이 순간 (This is The Moment)”.

The range above G4 tends to be completely strained for him. He seems to adopt a very rocky, edgy sound to his singing, which becomes closed in his throat, with a slight whiny sound and a lot of throat tension. His swallowing muscles close around his throat, causing the voice to be strained and to become distorted in tone production. In songs such as “Fantastic Baby“, he might add notes above the melody and change the melody through adlibs, however so the note of choice was a C5 which was completely strained and out of his comfort zone,  along with the sustained A4 which was also strained and throaty. Even in “I Love You”, in the acoustic version where he sings it a semitone lower than the original, he sings A4’s which are still strained, along with the Bb4’s he normally hits in the original key.

Daesung’s head voice, however, is his most developed register. One of the highest notes by a male k-pop vocalist belongs to Daesung, who was able to hit D6‘s in more than one occasion in live Big Bang performances. In the past, Daesung used to show the ability to still sing very high, such as his cover of  Wheesung’s “With Me”, where he sustains a Bb5 and hits C6 as well, however so he lacked the ability to fully control the notes and keep his throat opened that high. He was also unable to switch correctly from mix to head during a phrase. More recently, Daesung’s been able to show a fuller cleaner head voice, with cord connection and clarity in tone. He’s able to transition to it delicately without effort and to sing through melodies and high notes in a relaxed supported tone, up until F5, which he shows in his performances of “I Love You”. This is a very well improved register and shows care and close attention in terms of detail in improvement.

Another one of Daesung’s improvement is his ability to better support his voice, showing a more clear ability to stay in pitch throughout a vocal performance and to stay in key during the whole song. He does not seem to try doing anything out of his comfort zone, like complicated vocal runs or hard melodies that could potentially go off in intonation, showing his understanding of his own level and instrument. On the other hand, one of Daesung’s biggest flaws is his tendency to use a fake, throaty vibrato with a lot of jaw movement. In performances, it’s clear to see his larynx moving up and down and his jaw moving at the end of sustained notes to create a forced, unauthentic vibrato, instead of properly supporting his voice and letting a natural vibrato come out.

As an artist and vocalist, Daesung’s shown care to improve vocally so that he could correctly deliver the music which he chooses and wishes to sing. He hasn’t improved dramatically in terms of vocal placement and ability to correctly place his voice, but he’s able to deliver his own music effectively through changes in dynamics, breathiness and volume. He’s not very advanced in terms of vocal effects, however so in his own artistry, his level is good enough to deliver his music effectively. As a vocalist, his intonation and ability to show a controlled head voice set him apart from other vocalists, however don’t make up for his other vocal flaws. He’s shown small improvements over the years and will hopefully continue to improve to further deliver his music passion to his fans and public alike.

Musicianship

Daesung does not tend to alter music very much when singing covers and will generally sing the way melodies are needed. At times he can play with covers and show that he’s able to alter a melody or the phrasing depending on the instrumentation of the song or the freedom he’s given to sing the song acapella. However so, alterations are still very minimal and it’s an art that needs to be developed further to add more creativity to his singing, since also at times he will alter melodies by adding high notes which are out of his range and accessed through tension and strain.

Rating

Average to Above Average vocalist

Vocal Range Video(s)

Video by: 2NE1Bang

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Re-Analyzed by Ahmin (Kitsunemale)
(Originally analyzed by Chung)

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142 thoughts on “Big Bang’s Vocal Analysis: Daesung [Newly Updated]

    1. I have been told no and I honestly do not excel in the voice typing area. I can tell tenor, baritone and bass well, but the specifics are not my thing so I just left lyric because it’s more generally correct lol

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  1. Thank you for filling out Daesung’s analysis! I saw it before your update and thought it didn’t really do Daesung justice… Anyways, thanks for spending the time to make it a full analysis~

    Also, slightly unrelated, but what do you think of G-Dragon’s vocals? I know that for sure he is definitely not what you consider a vocalist, especially since if I remember correctly he was asked to change his voice during his trainee days to what it is now, but if you had a few words to say about his vocals or if you had to give a ranking, what would you say/give? I guess he goes more for a style or effect in his singing rather than vocal ability, but what do you think? Thanks!~

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    1. Tbh I feel quite bad about those previously written analyses as a whole so I feel if this is to be a credible blog, the analyses need to be detailed and actually show care and detail.

      G-Dragon is not a vocalist, therefore I do not judge nor classify him as one. He’s a rapper, songwriter and entertainer, but if I am to give him a ranking and give him a few words, his voice is quite weak, sorta nasal and thin. I dont know how he fairs live in terms of pitch, but he’s probably about as good as Taeyang vocally.

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      1. Haha that was about as I expected, thanks for answering! And yeah, thanks again about the filling-out-the-analyses thing, I think it’s a lot harder for fans to criticize what you’re doing when there’s obvious proof of research and thoughtfulness…

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      2. Right, it’s a lot harder to hate on us and call us butthurt/delusional/subjective/biased or anything when the facts are right there.

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  2. I wonder about vocal abilities of Winner cos a lot of k-pop fans talks about them and consider their like genius group in this generations of idols?

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      1. Kang Seungyoon I recognize…. he had some nice musicianship moments, changing the melody and whatnot and so did the other guy next to him.. the one with big eyes barely opened his mouth to sing and project… overall the two main ones are hitting G4’s and they’re okay, not good, not bad. Nasality is present and so is lack of projection, but the musical choices are nice and so is the harmony I believe.. It was a nice cover of a pretty song but vocally they’re not a genius group, their vocalists are all average vocalists. At best one of them or two of them could be average to above average but based on this nobody is vocally impressive.

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      2. Like what you said, I think people consider them geniuses more for the fact that they write their own songs and choreograph their own dances (haha if you ever have free time you should really look up some of Lee Seunghoon’s choreography), and so on… I hope they’ll improve their vocal ability as time goes on though! (I do love KSY’s improv and harmonies :D)
        Though I’m worried for the development of Taehyun and Jinwoo especially cuz YG’s not known for focusing on vocal ability or breaking bad vocal habits; Taehyun tends to scrunch his face when singing a lot, I don’t know if that means anything vocally but at least in terms of violin it means you’re really tense.

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      3. Well wasn’t that the same deal with Big Bang? They also choreographed their dances and wrote songs so I guess people think that’s a big deal and then go around saying YG is the most talented and I’m like except their vocalists ain’t good, then they bring up Taeyang and Park Bom and I’m like okay uhm…okay. LOL

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    1. I dont think he really is… I mean lower range a bit and the mask placenent but daesung has better control of pitch and nasality, but changmin can mix higher

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    1. Someone linked me to this video before and was asking specifically about Hong suk. Here’s what I said “Hong suk is a cutie, but his notes in the beginning, he was trying to change the melody for the song but it didn’t work out well, it was a bit flat and it was pitchy and then in the chorus he literally shows no support at all, YG singers do NOT know how to breathe for singing. He was using his throat the whole time, the larynx was high, he was quite nasal and just it was a shallow sound. The guy who’s got the huskier voice, he’s so throaty, he’s just yelling, it was really bad…” I noticed I didnt talk much about donghyuk, he was better than both i think but not much, here’s what I also said after
      “So this is Team B right? Team A also consisted of no vocalist that would classify any higher than “average”. They’re all average level vocalists, weak support, nasality, no resonance, shallow tone production, some occasional pitchiness, high larynx and strain. Both WINNER and iKON seem to have this, they can sing in tune sure but that’s it.. YG really does not seem to put any emphasis into singing technique, it makes me so mad when fans try to pass this off as good singing because, yeah they’re really cute, but no they’re not very good at singing and it’s not their fault, YG just doesn’t train vocalists properly.”
      I hope this isn’t an offensive reply and if I said anything wrong or in an offensive matter, please do let me know.

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      1. No, not at all.I hate to admit, ’cause I really like the music that YG produces, that there aren’t outstanding vocals in YG :/ I’m not musically educated, nor musical whatsoever, but I find that guy next to Hong Suk really iritating (vocally), so I was just confirming. There are three more vocals from team b(ikon to be)+ one that didn’t make the cut. Here’s a link of the others: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LpwPGKdWaA I think that the one that sings @02:27 had the potential, but I’m no expert, so I would like to hear your opinion. Thanx for the reply 🙂

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      2. He also has weak support and not only a nasal placement, but also a tongue thing for style that kinda gets in the way from his tone production but he is not bad (he cute though lol), tbqh all these guys have potential, YG just doesn’t work that potential at all and fans swoon over their tones but really vocally YG’s best assets are Daesung, Lee Hayi and Jung Hanna who’s yet to debut.

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  3. Yeah, I thought so. Sorry for bothering you, but this is my last question( I promise^^), what is your opinion on SuHyun(AKMU)? They really make music that is unique and I like them a lot, and her voice sounds pleasent. Thanks again.

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    1. haha not bothering me at all ^ ^ I like her voice too and I think their music is nice, acoustic and cute but vocally Soohyun is a limited vocalist. I watched a recent performance of Lee Hayi and Soohyun together and like not only was the difference between them quite obvious, Soohyun’s limited vocal skill doesn’t allow for a more versatile voice for different genres, her vocal runs were sloppy at best and her tone is quite shallow and idk she’s not a very skilled vocalist yet and I don’t think she wants to be since she seemed to go for artistic freedom more and hence chose YG

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      1. Hey I saw you mention Jung Hannah… how do you think she would rate? I really like her 🙂 and if you had to classify
        seungyoon, nam tae hyun, junhoe, daesung, lee hi, jung hanna
        in what order would they be?

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      2. I don’t know her well enough but maybe above average? Daesung and Lee Hi were already analyzed. I don’t know Junhoe, so I think Lee Hi > Jung Hannah > Daesung >/Seungyoon > Taehyun

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  4. I have question. LOL.

    I’m a great fan of Daesung to the point he inspired me to be a vocalist. Of course, as a fan, I want to have a voice like him. However, I’m classified as leggiero/light lyrics tenor (We’re not really sure because I have inconsistent technique) with three octaves (B3-B5; I also hit whistle tone before, F7, I think), making my voice really light (my head tones are quite girlish, I hate it). Do you think it’s possible to change it to a darker one? If so, what are the ways?

    If ever you’ll ask for my voice quality, my chest tones sounds dark while my head tones are very girlish, to the point it is often mistaken as falsetto (it has head resonance and sometimes, healthy vibrato). I cannot do mix tones yet (that’s why I don’t often sing fourth octaves because I always strain my voice :/)

    Thanks! 😀

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    1. See this is a very delicate question and I can only base it on what you’re telling me, since I can’t say I’ve heard you sing and that already affects what I’ll say. By 3 octaves, did you mean B2 ~ B5? Since you’re a tenor, you must be able to hit lower notes than B3, right? First of all, you should not ever want to have a voice that sounds like someone else’s voice. YOU have your own unique color of voice and you should embrace your own voice and do what it does best, instead of trying to sound like someone else. Second of all, if you’re going for the kind of sound/style he has, you have to have in mind that both of you are light lyric tenors, although I’m assuming since you’re a leggiero, your voice leans more up towards like Ryeowook and Naul’s lightness…

      Your voice CAN’T be changed to a darker tone artificially with good technique, theoretically. You could do it like Charice Pempegco and lower your larynx and push back your tongue to create a larger fatter sound to your voice but that won’t be healthy nor would it be proper. On the other hand, you could do what Ailee does and what seems to be the issue here. The problem here is that you don’t have a a mixed voice yet, which hinders your ability. You won’t be able to have a voice like Daesung’s if it’s higher/lighter but you might be able to emulate some of what he does. Mind you, Daesung uses a chestier mixed voice, he uses a lot of throat and then his falsetto is very very light and bright, almost girly as well. So what you need to do is to have a balance of chest and head into your mix and try to employ a chestier mix at times to create a darker sound more naturally with better technique, like Ailee does, as opposed to lowering your larynx. You must be young and so your voice still can change and either become lighter or darker, but regardless, don’t try to change your natural tone and just develop the voice you already have in a natural and healthy way. If your lower chest voice sounds dark and your head voice sounds girly, then of course a blend into the mix is going to create a nice warm quality, I would assume based on what you’ve said.

      Is that enough to answer your question? >_< lol

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      1. Actually, my friend said that whenever I do the correct technique, I sound like Kellin Quinn (vocalist of Sleeping with Sirens). This actually one of the reasons why we assumed I’m a leggiero tenor.

        As for my age, I just turned 18 last November, do you think it is still possible that it will turn darker soon? I really hate the fact that I sound so girlish. Even my speaking voice is high pitched. Some accused me of being gay just because of that voice (they think I artificially make it sounds like that when I don’t *sigh*)

        As for the mixed voice, may you answer these questions, too?

        1. What is the correct placement for mixed voice? (Well, I know that it is in the mask but I don’t understand how do you sing with your mask? 😦 My comfortable range, by the way, is C#3-B3, using chest tone then A4-D5, using headtone.)
        2. What is forward projection? (Everyone is saying this but I really don’t understand it. Is it like your voice going back to your throat?)
        3. Can you use head tones to belt notes? I’m actually singing the C5s Neon Light (of Demi Lovato) using head tone. I am able to sustain it but it doesn’t sound like belting @.@

        Thanks for answering my questions and sorry for bothering you. I really want to be a vocalist and I’m aiming to master basics (breathing support, placement, etc.) before I turn 20. 🙂

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      2. My question is, you do sound like you’ve been trained right? Why have you not asked your own private vocal instructor such questions? Well haha being gay ain’t bad but I understand the issue, that’s more of the tone of your voice, a leggiero tenor though is like a coloratura soprano, you can’t be one if you don’t possess a connected and agile voice from bottom to top.
        Mask placement, cheekbones, lifted soft palate. Hum a lot, feel the buzz then open your mouth but don’t change the place where the voice feels like it buzzes in your face and take it out of your nose. It’s easier to show than to say it. Forward means it’s projecting and sounds round and like it’s reaching out to the crowd, instead of sounding stuck inside the vocalist’s throat like something is blocking the way, such as tension. You can use a heady mix or a mask placed head voice to fake a mixed voice and create a similar sound to a “belt”, but a belt is basically a chest dominant mixed voice.

        Well keep working hard and I’m sure you’ll get it! ^ ^

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      3. The thing is I don’t sound I’m trained. In fact, I strained my voice for like 80% at the time and I hate it. I also don’t have private instructor because it’s so expensive. I just learn from the free tutorials in the internet. (Actually, I considered joining our local parish choir but I’m an agnostic :v)

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      4. Oh… well then that’s all I can tell you for now, I’m very sorry to know you can’t afford a vocal instructor at this point, I hope you do work hard and come back whenever you need advice! ^ ^

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  5. First of all, Daesung has superoior vocals so far, and his vocals are far more advanced then any of male singers. I have watched and listen him sing over and over, and found that he sings w/o any efford and produce proficient sound his songs require. So, all this mumbo jumbo about his C and D notes are totaly crazy. I was watching Ty performance in Singapore’s New Year 2015 show and he was strugling with his high pitch voice, can’t even be compared to Daesungs’s voice. Deasung is one of a kind singer and truly best performer who knows how to use his vocals the best.

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    1. Uh this mumbo jumbo never in no way said Taeyang > Daesung, please do read the Taeyang analysis. Second, this mumbo jumbo is the science of the voice in a vocal technique point of view, if you don’t know that or you can’t hear it, that’s okay, but please do not call it mumbo jumbo as if it were wrong. Thank you ^ ^ Oh and btw, you said his vocals are more advanced than any other male vocalist, right? I disagree and the reasons are in this analysis and compare them to the analyses of other male vocalists who were ranked higher and then look at the criteria, there are pretty good explanations. This in no way means, he can’t be your favorite vocalist because I love Daesung, he’s a sweetheart and I love his voice but objectively he is not a very advanced vocalist.

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      1. I agree with this one. Have you seen how many times he strained his voice while singing Fantastic Baby? As for Taeyang, based on technique, Daesung is a better singer but Taeyang is more versatile since he can do RnB, Hip hop and ballad, and he can rap, too, while my bias, obviously Daesung, is not so flexible. Either way, I’m a fan of these two singers. 🙂

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      2. I’m sorry but Big Bang is a group with a low average for vocal skill and 2 out of 3 vocalists have already been analyzed. It wouldn’t be fair if we analyzed Seungri considering that we haven’t analyzed any vocalists from many other groups at all yet. I apologize for that.

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  6. I thank you for this analysis of Daesung voice, he has improve a lot since he is in Japan most of the time, I know he can get better with time and that raspy voice i love it , i do believe he sing with feelings, emotions of most of the song now that he is in Japan (before too).

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  7. Since he’s Average to AA with Jessica, BoA, Changmin, Yeeun……. it really made him SEEMS LIKE he’s not REALLY that BAD compare to the singers in YG XD

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  8. Do I only do vocal ranges of men with weak lower registers? Lol even though I’m not on him yet. Can you send me his highest and lowest note? That would be great. I already know his and Minah’s also Wendy’s range so they won’t take long

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      1. Thanks! That D6 was the most beautiful thing I’ve ever heard come out of a males voice. OMG I think I’m in love with Daesung. How can I have 2 husbands in the same group?

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      2. Exscuse me, doesn’t he have the best head voice of males in kpop or Korea? It’s amazing. I know you don’t think that but his head voice is the most amazing thing ever in my opinoin. So you said he had a Bb5 and a C6 in with me. I hear that but I also hear higher notes in the background! You’re talking about this one, right?

        Listen carefully at the background at 0:25-0:41. Very high, I believe that’s Daesung. I do. I’m sorry, I know I’m wrong but I think that’s Daesung. What note at 1:14. Is it a A4? Was the Bb5 to C6 at 1:05-7?

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      3. 0:25 ~ 41 the background is Wheesung’s voice, not Daesung’s. Haha honey don’t worry. It’s okay to be wrong, I make mistakes all the time! lol 1:11 is B4 actually, too high lol Yes that IS where the C6 is! Btw dear, when you make your Vocal Range videos, try to add a lot of tags in both English and Korean with the name of the singer and songs they sing so you can get more views! ^ ^ Also add the Korean title like name of the singer in Korean + 음역대 ^ ^

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      4. Oh yeah I’ll fix that. Yeah, I put the songs Solji sang in the description box. I’ll change the title now! So what is Wheesung’s range? He must have a big range! I don’t know if I should do this now but can I send you a video of U.Ji or can I only send it to you on the voice and other stuff? Yeah I’ll do that now..,

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      5. I’m not sure how long Wheesung can sing but his highest is C6, lowest must be Bb2 from memory maybe?

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      6. AHMIN, I LOVE YOU SO MUCH(well not in that kind of way but you’ll see)!!! So I fixed all of my vocal ranges with their name in Hangul and vocal range in Korean. Ok so some are not a big difference though but Solji’s is. Vocal range views this morning- Solji-81 Changmin-59 Raina-191 Vocal range views now!- Solji-183! Changmin-70 Raina-210. OMG when you put up Solji’s vocal range on her vocal anaylsis it’s going to go big! I finished it 3 days ago and it almost has 200 views. Why does Solji have WAY more than Changmin and almost as much as Raina? Now I feel like I didn’t even need to do Changmin! But thank you so much, it really helped the views. Please tell me who your doing next. Is Solji and Changmin in your drafts? Who else is in your drafts?

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      7. Well Solji has been very popular lately, I told you! Your title should always be in Korean too, your biggest audience is the Korean audience. No, Changmin nor Solji are in my next drafts, they’ll be after my 5 or 8 drafts are done. My drafts include John Park, Lee Hi, Sandeul, Hwanhee, Yoseob, Yesung, Shannon, Younha and Lee Hongki.

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      8. Wow, I did not notice how popular she was. Ok, so sorry you have those people. Oh no if I do Sandeul then I don’t think I can finish him before the vocal anaylsis. But I cannot wait until Shannon!

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      9. I’m going to make a vocal range video for Shannon soon too just because she already has a 3 octave range and she’s got material from her showcase and mini-album. Maybe I should wait? I’m not sure, I’ll first work on the analyses I have already for older vocalists. Don’t worry, Sandeul should be mine lol

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      10. Oh ok, so Minah, Wendy and Daesung for me. IT’S OFFICIAL SOLJI HAS MORE VIEWS THAN RAINA. Solji-220 Raina-217 Just by 3! This is crazy. Can someone please tell me how Solji has mre views than Raina. Raina was made a month ago, Solji was made 3/4 days ago! You are right she’s getting popular! I guess it’s because of that mask thing and EXID is also getting popular but poor Raina and Changmin! They are so underrated

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      1. So he hasn’t improved. Is it possible to improve vocal skills in YG? I think their vocal trainers kill all good voices: Dae, TaeYang, Park Bom( I worry about Daesung coz I think he has unique voice but he can do regress with that YG company

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    1. I’m a fan of Daesung. I don’t think he regressed, he simply didn’t show any improvement at all. It actually annoys me that YG doesn’t provide any good vocal coach. Daesung is arguably one of the few true vocalists of that company (Lee Hi, Minzy, Seunghyoon, Suhyun… I think that’s all, and Lee Hi is the only strong one. Though I like his voice, I can’t consider Taeyang a vocalist because his voice is really weak.)

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    1. He did fine, he did the same as he usually does. I wouldn’t say there was a lot of straining, he was barely singing in a high range. There was straining yes but not the whole way through.

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  9. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge of vocal analysis! I really appreciate all your efforts(: May I know what is your opinion on Jung Seung Hwan from Kpop Star 4? For example in this video http://tvcast.naver.com/v/347896 but maybe you could comment from his singing of other songs too?

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    1. I’ve heard him singing before. He has resonance and he has a very nice expressive and attractive tone. He has control of his voice and I think he doesn’t even know just how skilled he is.

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      1. I hope he will be recognised and be a great singer soon(: Which category of singers would you place Seung Hwan under? Thank you again!

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  10. I haven’t seen any comments on it so I feel the need to ask. Seungri’s a vocalist isn’t he? How does he compare to his fellow group members? Better or worse than Taeyang? Better than the rappers? I mean he doesn’t get an awful lot of lines in their songs so I don’t really know, and I’m curious.

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    1. I’d call Seungri a sub-vocalist. He possibly has a similar level of skill vocally to Taeyang, he is also throaty and nasal, he strains quite a bit. Better than the rappers? I’d assume so but I can’t tell you for sure.

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  11. O.o i’m a girl and he can only go 2 notes lower than me… although i am an alto…. but still… explains why i can always sing his solos. lol still daesung is my favorite

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    1. I must say, Alto is a choir part, not a voice type. It’s very common for Sopranos, mezzos and contraltos to be able to dip down to the A2 ~ E3 range, so it is quite sad that a Tenor can’t at least sing something in the second octave.

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  12. Hey I know someone that has little to no knowledge in vocal technique
    and that person thinks there’s something wrong with Daesung’s voice in 1:40
    I would like to know if he’s right. I just think that’s another member repeating the word Daesung sang (The igijogin) but IDK.

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    1. I don’t hear anything in particular around 1:40, I hear someone else’s voice at 1:42 and I hear strain and throatiness at 1:37 but nothing at 1:40.

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      1. https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11831813_869117346470166_1171986995305658960_n.jpg?oh=3d988fcf05e9ec00bbb85b724b339d19&oe=564752C5
        I saw this in a Bigbang video about Daesung. I was wondering if you could put your two cents in . What would you do if you were Daesung. I think this a good question for the blog in case any of the future followers of this blog develop something similar in their voice or if they strain as I used to do.

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      2. I think he should stop being irresponsible about his voice and learn how to sing properly so that he doesn’t lose his voice due to his poor technique and improper vocal health management. Not even surgery, just vocal rest and proper technique.

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  13. I think Tenor’s E3 is like Soprano’s B3 then, E3 to F#4 is an octave + a semi tone so, Tenor’s F#4 is like Soprano’s C5. and Tenor’s F5 is like Soprano’s B5, right?
    so, if Daesung being a sporano, he supports his voice from B3 ~ C5/C#5, and head voice up to B5… if it’s right, Daesung should have a higher rating… but,now, daesung still in avg to abvav category which is (in my opinion) not fair with what daesung do with his voice… but i apreciate your analysis… you could have the reason why you put him in that category… but, may i know the reason?
    (sorry if my english was bad… i can’t speak in english better)

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    1. The thing is, a tenor and a soprano have very different voices because a man’s passaggi are a 4th apart, whereas a female’s passaggi are a whole octave apart. So to say a tenor’s F#4 is a Soprano’s C5 isn’t exactly accurate since it can vary depending on the individual’s passaggi, but more or less a Soprano’s C5 is more like a Tenor’s F#4/G4, whereas a tenor’s E3 would be more of a sopranos A3? The distance between a Soprano and a Tenor voice is a tritone, so 3 notes up to a minor sixth, so 4 notes. That gap isn’t precise and to say a tenor’s G4 is definitely a Soprano’s C5 is inaccurate because there is no exact science for it. Also I have to take out the G4 out of his supported range because back then I was too lenient with certain notes which made me give certain vocalists an easier time, such as TVXQ!’s Changmin. Daesung’s support should really end on F#4. Then by your logic A3 ~ B4 ~ A5. The A5 is the only boost that Daesung has in order to have a higher rating by the criteria in the blog but even then the rating is limited due to how inconsistent his support is in his mixed voice where tension still happens within his supported range. So the reasons why he’s in this category as his underdeveloped and overly strained mixed voice, his very underdeveloped lower range and his somewhat developed head voice, all of which lack 100% consistency and the head voice itself doesn’t make up for the rest of his mix and chest voice.

      So to summarize, although a Soprano’s C5 may be comparable to a Tenor’s G4, the range in which a Tenor is able to shine is much narrower than a Soprano’s, so a Bb4 isn’t a Soprano’s Eb5 since a Soprano’s voice shines all the way from C5 up to C6, whereas a tenor has more of a limited tessitura from E4 ~ C5 instead. Hence a direct comparison of both a male and a female’s supported ranges isn’t a fair comparison due to the difference in the biology of their instruments. That is why we have a criteria that summarizes a supported range for every single voice type.

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  14. it’s been a along day that i want to post a comment in here, so here we go
    talk about YG vocal line, there’s also Gummy right? what do you think of her? is she a good vocalist?
    thanks anyway for all your works ^^

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    1. Yes hi there! Gummy left so she wouldn’t count anymore but if she hadn’t.. Well she still wouldn’t be YGs strongest vocalist but technique wise she’s not a “good” vocalist, at most I believe her rating would be Above Average.

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  15. Hi! So, there are 7 idols in the Average to above average category. I was wondering how would u rank them among themselves? A rough estimate, if u wouldn’t mind.. ^^ Also, although they all have the capability to jump up the ranks, who do you think would progress fast enough(from the growth u’ve observed) to be among the above average vocalist at the earliest from the 7 already analysed?

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    1. Hi so for this question I know it might take months but the most accurate and sure answer would only come when our chart comes out. I believe Minzy is the only one who’s shown big enough improvement. I doubt BoA or Gain will suddenly fix their vocal issues our of nowhere.

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      1. Haa! 😀 To be honest, i was just being polite when i said they wer all capable of jumping up ranks ¬.¬ And u’r answer is Minzy 🙂 .. Interesting because i was expecting u to say Seohyun for some reason.
        And its great to hear that there’s going to be a chart! That sounds exciting ( probably not for the one whose compiling it though :/ ) and really looking forward to it. 😀
        Really appreciate the amazing work u guys r doing here. Its very informative and an eye-opener! Well, take care then ^^

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  16. I really hope yg sees this so they can do something to help daesung improve, especially now with his vocal cord problems. His voice is too good to be put to waste just because of improper technique.

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  17. Hi there! I’m a VIP who loves Bigbang to bits and I’m so glad I stumbled upon your blog and your analyses of Taeyang and Daesung because they are so detailed, objective and informative! I’ve always loved Taeyang’s and Daesung’s voice but at the same time always felt that although they have really nice voices, their technique isn’t the best or the healthiest. I have learned so much from your analyses and enjoy reading many of your other analyses, even if I may not be a fan of them 😂
    May I know if you ever intend on analysing Seungri or TOP? I saw your reply to another comment saying that you won’t do G-dragon and I understand because he’s not much of a vocalist. I’m not really sure if you would consider TOP as one but I’m really curious to hear your thoughts on his voice and singing ability. I personally think he has a really nice voice and has quite the natural ability to sing even though he has never been trained to. VIPs got to hear a lot more of his singing voice recently during their comeback and I was mesmerized by his singing voice in Let’s Not Fall In Love, Loser and If You (probably because it’s so rare to hear it 😂) but I’ve always wondered about his rather playful singing in this video: http://youtu.be/KcDFhJiE6rA (starting from 3:15). I’ve heard rumors that TOP can actually sing the highest out of all members and I’m pretty skeptical considering his low speaking voice (if the rumors are true then wouldn’t that mean he’s got a pretty sick range?!), but what do you think? Here he tries to sing one of Daesung’s songs haha: http://youtu.be/YnugIYRqilY What do you think about his voice here? Is it healthy? Haha I can’t really tell (but I can hear that he couldn’t hit the highest note the second time) but it sounds quite suitable for rock. I also found a video compiling all snippets of him singing before their recent comeback so you have more reference: http://youtu.be/ftzE79iwcIU
    In past interviews, Bigbang has mentioned that TOP is a good singer on several occasions and I wish that he would be more confident whenever he sings, but I understand that he’s main passion is rapping and rapping is when he feels the most confident and comfortable. What are your thoughts? Do you think he could be a good vocalist if trained properly?
    Ok I know this comment is super duper lengthy haha forgive me but I still have more to ask 🙈
    Lastly, how is Seungri as a vocalist? I personally think his voice is weaker and softer/sweeter/gentler (lol if you know what I mean) compared to Taeyang’s and Daesung’s but I’m not sure if he is better or worse in terms of technique. I would really appreciate it if you checked out his songs “In My World”, “Next Day”, http://youtu.be/E7F_ss81kfY and the live medleys he sang with Daesung. I honestly think that Seungri is the bravest when it comes to experimenting with his voice. He often tries ad-libbing (which the other members love to tease him about when he goes off-key 😂). I think one of my favourite videos that shows off his musicianship would have to be: http://youtu.be/RxZ_b6ryzfI, & here’s short one of him going acoustic: http://youtu.be/tcwNlIxuSXQ
    Is it safe to say Seungri has the best musicianship in Bigbang? Finally, could you rate Bigbang in terms of singing ability (including GD) as well?
    Thank you so much for reading my comment. Keep up the amazing work!

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    1. First of all, thank you and I’m so glad you enjoyed reading the analyses and felt that it was informing to you. Usually how we do it is we like to write analyses for the lead and main vocalists of a group, but oftentimes people want every single vocalist in the group to be analyzed and we just don’t have the time to analyze everyone, it wouldn’t be fair. So make a ratio of members and analyzing half the vocalists. Some groups have 8 members but all 8 are vocalists or 4 are vocalists and 4 are rappers. If only 4 are vocalists, unless they’re all quite highly skilled, only two would be analyzed. For Big Bang, there are 5 members, 2 rappers. The reason why 2 out of 3 vocalists were analyzed is because of the skill level they possess vs their popularity as well. So although T.O.P. is a baritone with a very nice voice, we wouldn’t analyze a rapper in his singing, it wouldn’t be fair. Seungri may be a vocalist but analyzing him then would be like analyzing Key of SHINee, it’s been requested quite a bit but we already analyzed three vocalists of SHINee, analyzing Key wouldn’t be fair at this point.

      Rumors that he sings the highest in Big Bang? I’ve heard both Daesung and Taeyang mixing at least A4 or Bb4, or even C5, so unless TOP is a baritone like Key who can mix C5, I don’t see how his range is the highest. Daesung has a D6 in a strained head voice, I would be very surprised if TOP could “top” that. (get the pun? LOL) So int he WINGS video, he actually hit G#4 and I think Bb4, but they’re really all in his throat. Very strained, very throaty. But similar sounding to Daesung’s style lol I do think TOP could be a good vocalist if he trained really hard to be one, he has a really nice and good sense of pitch. Everyone has potential to be a good vocalist.

      The first verse of I Believe isn’t bad, cause he isn’t trying to add power, he can sound tight and his larynx isn’t exactly neutral on those F#4’s. “I” Believe, the I is the F#4 and every other note like that. May J. and him are kind of nasal, she’s a lot more nasal than him though. He 2:22 showed musicianship here, not very good. 2:33 interesting change from Daesung too! Both were strained but actually Seungri doesn’t have bad placement in his belted notes, they’re really just really throaty. 3:03 I mean he is taking many risks but he is just straining his way through this, which isn’t exactly commendable but at least he is trying. Was Taeyang not singing? I didn’t really notice his voice much in this ._. I think Seungri has better placement than Taeyang but worse support. Not sure, but they’re not very different in terms of skill level.

      I don’t know if it’d be fair to rate Big Bang in vocals in general as a whole because they’re not all vocalists but they’re at least weak to average vocalists in general or average ish, I’m not sure. I don’t really know G-D’s singing technique enough to be able to tell you. I mean I heard him singing the chorus of Lies in the video you sent and they’re a bunch of F#4’s, and I’m so sure he is a tenor and he was really not singing those well, he doesn’t really show any signs of breath support. If GD is to be included, their average would be brought down.

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  18. i think daesung should be just average. i mean his lower range is really weak and if it’s his head voice that gave him a boost then jonghyun of shinee should be competent to good. just dropping an opinion while enjoying the blog kk

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    1. Well he’s also able to produce resonance and Jonghyuns mix actually drags him down a bit cause compared to the other competent tenors, he produces resonance on A4 the least often.

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  19. I expected him to be competent to good vocalist. I always thought he was the best singer in YG, but you said it was Lee Hi so I was wondering what can she do that he can’t do?
    I also think that bigbang’s songs doesn’t do justice to him, his voice is soo sweet in ballads (japanese covers) but in ‘if you’ his voice sounded a little bit annoying to me.

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    1. If you look at Lee Hi and you first of all check their supported ranges, not only can Lee Hi, a female, support her voice just as low as him, a male, but also she has a lot more consistent placement + support than him. She produces resonance more often, has a much better lower range by contrast of voice type and gender, has consistent support, whereas he can produce resonance but often sings from his throat. He’s a very throaty singer, what makes him not fall in average is the fact that he has a very nicely developed head voice. If it wasn’t for that, he’d most likely be an average vocalist because as a tenor, his first passaggio is like D4 or Eb4 and his second one is G4 or G#4, and not being able to sing through your first AND second passaggio with good technique is far from skilled, if you know what I mean. Passaggi where the voice transitions from chest to mix and mix to head. He’s unable to carry support even as high as his second passaggio and falls just under. He has a beautiful voice, I actually love his voice. He just tends to sing with a lot of tension in his throat.

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  20. Do you think TOP is a bass? Like sometimes his voice seems not as low and then other times it seems REALLY low. But in some songs he kinda sounds just like a regular like normal guy, not low or high? Do you think he could just be a baritone that’s better or just likes it more in his lower range?

    But then I also think maybe it really IS that deep and I’m just more used to it so I’m not really noticing it anymore because when my mom heard him she was like “Woah his voice IS deep.” (because I made her watch some videos and they talked about it in one) And so sometimes I’m the exact same way like wow his voice is deep and then I hear it in another song and it’s not really deep to me? So I think it’s just me.

    So I can’t decide if I’m just used to his voice and so I don’t see it as much as other people or because I’ve heard more of his voice or what but it’s annoying me. I seriously can’t decide if I’m just used to it or what but it’s really actually bothering me. So I need another opinion please lol. Idk why but it’s bothering me because I hear it and it’s LOW and then I hear it again and it just seems like it’s either normal or like he’s trying to make it low idk but I know nothing about vocal stuff and I’m not good at this so I’m asking you.

    That was longer than I meant it be and I hope you actually understood because I probably seem kinda dumb.

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    1. I just saw that you called TOP a baritone on another comment 😂 I’m sorry. So ig I’m not going crazy?

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      1. people with bass voice is really few. one member of pentatonix is a bass i guess. and now i also wondering if there are basses in kpop. hmmm probably not any, never heard one.

        what about non pop world? is there any who quite famous, ahmin?

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      1. He sings, kind of like Taylor Swift. They write the songs and happen to sing them, but they’re not examples of technical vocalists. Soohyun sings the most, Chanhyuk does “raps” and harmonies, while he writes all their music. Soohyun is better than Bom, Dara, CL, Taeyang, Seungri, iKON and such. Seungyoon of Winner might be better than her, Idk for sure with him.

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  21. How would you rank YG’s current main/lead vocals + Lee Hi?
    My rough idea is… Lee Hi >> KSY =/> Daesung > Suhyun =/> Taehyun > Taeyang > Bom > Junhoe… but I also think there’s a chance I’m wrong lol

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      1. Oh, really? 🙂
        Yeah, I’m still not sure whether he would be above, under, or equal to Daesung. I know his mix can be shaky and unstable, and I don’t know if I’ve ever heard him use a head voice. I guess we’ll find out in due time lol

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  22. Was Daesung singing nasally at the beginning and throughout? Something about his voice felt off to me in this performance.
    (also lol@ Seungyoon in this omg)
    Thank you for answering all of my questions. I feel like I’ve been bombarding this website lately LOL.

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    1. Oh there are people bombarding us with even more questions. He is kind of throaty/gritty and nasal throughout. It’s kind of the sound he’s going for this song, I’m not exactly sure why. Omg Seungyoon is so skinny compared to Daesung.

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      1. When I first saw that video, I thought he is singing with Seungri. That’s why I’m astonished what a skinny guy appeared. I was like, “Who the fuck is that dude?” Then, I realize it’s Seungyoon. LOL

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  23. I thought they’re siblings. TT___TT

    I’ve read something like that in the internet before. I have been fooled for years. HAHA

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    1. Well that’s a very general question. It depends what you consider good, and it’s too simple of an answer to just say yes or no. It depends on what you mean by good. If we talk about vocal technique, Seungri honestly is showing absolutely no sense of breath support whatsoever. His singing is very shallow, very much in his nose and throat throughout. He has no support at all, he’s just singing straight from his throat. He sounds throaty and tense throughout, he lacks openness, support and placement.

      Again that’s a very general question. I will say the same for Seungri, no support, just his throat. T.O.P. is not a tenor like Taeyang, G-Dragon, Daesung and Seungri, he’s the only baritone. He also has no support. G-D as a rapper and T.O.P., it’s unfair to judge their singing. 1:52 Bb4 but 2:10 that’s F#4, where he can still keep placement and support. Daesung tends to push his voice very harshly and unlike the other 4, he can support his voice but only up to F#4 and above that, he tends to push his voice VERY aggressively. He uses his throat muscles and contracts them around his larynx, so it’s a lot more aggressive and damaging than the rest since he’s singing the highest out of them all. 2:21 Taeyang is also hitting Bb4’s very tight and nasal. A lot less support than Daesung overall. Daesung’s best register is his head voice, which he doesn’t get to showcase in Big Bang’s music.

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  24. Can you please do analysis for Seungri as well? his progress along his career. His voice is the softest among bigbang vocalist but pleasent to hear imo. He is improving over the year. So I hope you can analysis about his skill too. Thank you.

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    1. No, I’m sorry. Please read our future analyses page and the rules there before making requests. We don’t analyze more than half of the vocalists of each group unless their vocal skill is notably better than most.

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    1. It’s been posted in the comment section, it’s been talked about and it shows nothing new nor different from what’s written on Taeyang’s analysis. Also this is Daesung’s analysis that you’re commenting on.

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  25. Hello, Is been a while but here are some new songs, sorry for the quality is the best I could find, want to know if he have improved, like your analysis they’re great.

    Thanks

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    1. I like The Sign. The other song has him singing around E4, then constantly from G4 ~ B4, where he’s all in his throat. In The Sign he’s mostly around the F#4 range with a few passing A4s or such above, so he’s mostly singing without tension and within his supported range. I hear no improvement. Thank you btw!

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      1. Thank you, that was fast. I guess since I’m addictive(love) to his voice I hear him better than before 😊, I do love his throaty voice. Thanks.

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  26. Hi, thank you very much for the analysis! Daesung is my Bias forever!

    1. I think you’ve already been asked, but I want to know more about your opinion about your new rock song “Anymore” … is it very forced? It sounds like heaven!!, but I think the song would be better in one more lower tone than it has (although it lost the rock touch)

    2. Sometimes when he sings joyful or wings (lately) I feel that he does not finish the phrases with melody, but he does a few little screams to finish the sentences and I think the result is not melodious, this has me worried that Is a bad habit … or maybe it is a valid part of the show and I am wrong … What do you think?

    min: 3:04 – 3:40

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    1. 1. It’s a really pretty song and he sounds very well supported in the verse but as soon as he goes above F4 in the pre chorus and keeps hitting the A4’s throughout the chorus, he gets really shouty. That’s damaging to him. I actually was shown alive version of this.
      2. I think he’s kind of excitable and half speaking the higher parts .. it is for the purpose of the performance. It isnt healthy but his normal singing isn’t very healthy in general.

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      1. Thank you very much for answering! 🙂
        I love his new album D-Day and I hope he can continue to sing in the future and improve his vocal technique.

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