SHINee’s Vocal Analysis: Onew

Onew

Vocal Range

F#2 ~ Bb5 (3 octaves and 2 notes)

Supported Range

B2 ~ G4/G#4

B2 ~ E5 (With head voice)

Voice Type

Light-Lyric Tenor

Strengths/Achievements

  • Lowest range amongst tenors in SHINee
  • Able to produce well placed fuller notes in the lowest part of his range, down to B2’s
  • Achieved resonance at times up to G#4
  • Able to change the tone of his voice to a fuller one or a lighter, brighter and headier tone at will
  • Uses head voice more frequently than most male idols
  • Tends to stay supported most of the time up until G4/G#4, occasionally A4
  • Able to use falsetto, head voice and a more mixed head voice for effect

Weaknesses

  • Tendency to push notes on G#4/A4 at times and above frequently
  • Not consistent with his placement, tends to get nasal
  • Tone production is at times shallow and unsupported
  • Occasional pitch issues with vocal runs mostly and falsetto
  • Tendency to, although having a stable larynx, use a very breathy tone production even in his lower B2 ~ D3 range, even though he’s able to produce it well and having shown it
  • Very breathy and unsupported, airy lower range below B2
  • Occasional problems in the bridging area of his voice, when switching into falsetto
  • Any head notes above E5/F5 are completely pushed

Registers

  • Lower register: Anything below B2 is very airy and unsupported. Notes in the lower register at times can be too airy, and yet very well produced and supported at other times. B2’s and C3’s are comfortable notes for him.
  • Mixed register: Able to mix correctly and healthily most of the time, producing a heavier fuller tone when desired, or a lighter headier mix when desired. At times notes can be produced with resonance, at others nasality will come in, which is a problem. The voice is generally stable in his mixed register from chest up.
  • Upper register: Mostly well produced head notes, but with the tendency to get nasal. Falsetto notes at times come out through sloppy transitions which often sound slightly pitchy. When switching into head voice however, the bridging is much better produced with a much cleaner transition and better production of tone and pitch. Anything above E5/F5 is just basically yelling with head voice, usually a rockier pushed sound done wrong.

Agility

Onew’s voice is generally very light, so it finds itself more easily inclined to vocal runs and ornaments, very simple and not that quick though. His voice lacks any real agility and isn’t very precise in runs, but can handle simple melodic runs during songs he’s given. At other times he may get a bit pitchy.

Overall analysis

Onew possesses an unique caramel-like tone, very distinguishable from many other k-pop vocalists. Unlike many other SM idols, his voice doesn’t have that “trained by Yoo Youngjin” trademark sound. His voice has always been very light and clean, often leaning more towards softer pop and ballads. His range is quite considerably wide, possessing the lowest range amongst the tenors in SHINee. His voice in tone is darker than the other members, possessing a slightly bigger sound in the lower register due to its slight extra weight. Onew is completely capable of producing notes well in the B2 ~ E3 range, with full and very clear vocal lines hitting such notes, such as in “Drunken Truth“. His lower notes tend to be much breathier and lack any real vocal tone, whereas the higher ones can at times be breathy for effect, which isn’t always well executed.

Onew possesses a lighter voice which shines more in his upper mix register. He’s able to switch into a lighter mix, producing a much more relaxed and softer tone, such as his G4’s in “Lucifer”, in contrast to his more fuller, well placed resonant G4’s in songs such as “Day” and “Life”, where a truer rounder sound is produced, with a more balanced to slightly chesty mix. He doesn’t generally try and strain his voice, often choosing to sing songs that will mostly only go up to G#4’s and A4’s. He’s been able to show resonance in his upper mixed register but tends to lose tone production in A4’s and above, having his larynx go up and straining his voice. Although being able to produce a breathier tone for effect, Onew has the bad tendency to instead vocalize with a shallow tone, lacking the proper support at times, as mentioned earlier in his lower range, mix register and even in falsetto, his breathier tone tends to be generally less controlled and less focused in tone. Even if the intention is there, the result isn’t always 100% desirable due to a lack of true understanding of soft and breathy against shallow and breathy.

His control is generally good, with minor pitch problems, often caused more because of a shallower tone (less supported), than truly because of any lack of skill in controlling the voice. His upper mixed notes tend to be much more pushed, lose vocal focus and color, and his tongue tends to get tense and get in the way of his tone production. His vibrato however in the lower mixed register is generally healthy and well produced showing that he’s a smart vocalist and knows how to use his voice, instead of trying to belt out notes way above his range. His highest belt to date is C5, done in 2 SHINee songs, with a very strained sound, but mostly he stays in his comfortable supported range. Another inconsistency problem in his mixed register is that at times his voice will slip into is nose due to not lifting his soft palate, however this issue was much more prominent earlier in his career, something he seems to have mostly fixed and is able to produce a more forward fuller sound more often in his mix.

Onew’s falsetto register is again, often shallow and lacks in control, but more often than not, Onew uses a truer sounding head voice, which actually carries more of his natural vocal tone into it and is very easily identifiable as his voice. He is able to produce it well and stay relaxed, even as high as Eb5/E5. Onew at times however will produce nasal notes with a more closed sound, instead of keeping his soft palate lifted, like in his mixed register. Anything above E5/F5 is often just pushed and very strained.

His support is, as mentioned above, at times good, or at times shallow. Onew knows how to support his voice to make it full, but at other times isn’t able to truly support his voice to produce a softer breathier tone, mostly in his lower register. In rare cases, Onew will push even in his lower mix due to fatigue and lack of good placement, most notably in the performance of Nessum Dorma, where in attempt to create a fuller sound without the necessary support, he pushed many G4’s and sustained an A4 with a very tense and tight throat. That case being very notable because it was completely out of his comfort zone in terms of vocal styling, since mostly Onew has those notes below G#4 consistently supported. A big contrast to Nessum Dorma would be his solo performance of “I Won’t Give Up”, staying in a range between B2 ~ G#4, he produces much better notes, supporting with resonance and a forward placement, cleaner one sounding voice. One of his best vocal performances.

Onew is only a notch down from Jonghyun, being classified one level below him. He’s a very determined vocalist and musician, able to play piano and accompany himself. Over the years he has learned to produce a fuller sound and control his support voice and eliminate nasality. He is also a smart vocalist and will mostly sing in a range he knows he can handle. He is able to produce resonance, but isn’t consistent enough within one performance with his tone production and support, though having individually somewhat developed registers, as a whole the voice needs more connecting and bridging to stay more solid as one throughout every register. Onew isn’t as risky as Jonghyun, not trying to do crazy things with his voice in terms of grit, raspiness or onsets, mostly staying clean and healthy.  He’s got a lot of potential to grow as a vocalist, possessing some understanding of music and playing with his voice at times, he should be able to control his voice much better as it matures over the years.

Musicianship

Onew doesn’t try to show off generally and will attempt occasional changes in melodies with some made up melodies and adlibs. Not always well executed, he can get a bit pitchy at times. Mostly however, he doesn’t try to do anything risky and will mostly add simple changes to melodies or oftentimes no change at all.

Rating

Above Average to Proficient Vocalist

Vocal Range Video(s)

Video by: kitsunemale

Best Vocal Performance(s)

Analyzed by Ahmin (Kitsunemale)

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304 thoughts on “SHINee’s Vocal Analysis: Onew

  1. Hello ^^ How was jjong (@0:55 & @0:57) and Onew (@01:57 & @01:59) ? They’re sung same notes but different feel(?) I noticed that onew’s notes are louder than jjong… is it because their tone or other aspect? and it’s G4 and G#4, right? Oh, and how was jjong at 2:35? it’s seems like he got tongue problem in that note cause its a bit froggy…
    thank you ^^

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    1. Omg his outfit looks so nice! lol Jonghyun had a little bit of pushing but the notes were nice, good placement and good support. Onew on the other hand, his sound was a little more spread out, it lacked the focused sound Jonghyun had. The G4 wasn’t bad but the G#4 had some glottal tension and it wasn’t as nice. 2:35 to me the issue wasn’t tongue tension, it was a high larynx. Onew’s higher notes are a bit too spread, he could focus the sound better and place it better, he may have been louder but it was more tense. (Aye isn’t a happy vowel for many though.)

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  2. Thanks for the reply! 🙂
    What do you think about Jonghyun’s musicianship in this performance?

    Totally unrelated question: Can you tell me his voice type?

    I don’t know why it sounds like a heavier and thicker version of Onew’s voice to me. Maybe I’m wrong.
    Can you tell me Zion. T’s voice type?
    p.s: I love your unbiased review of their singing. ❤

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    1. It’s a very nice performance, Jonghyun seems very comfortable while performing the song haha. Zion.T is a light lyric tenor I believe. George Ezra? He’s a Baritone.

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  3. Before I start off, can I say how much I love this performance. They genuinely look like they are having fun. I hope to see performances like this more often by them.
    At 3:04, does Onew go off-pitch or something? cos the vocal run on it’s own sounds very nice, but kinda sounds misplaced in the song.
    What are your thoughts on Key’s high note (more like ultra-high pitched scream) at the end?
    side note: Did you see the look on Taemin’s face when Key hit that note? Priceless, lol!
    Can you name a song in which Key sings comfortably in his baritone vocal range? Cos often, he tries too hard to match his other bandmates’ ranges.

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    1. The run was just sloppy, it wasn’t very smooth in rhythmic flow. Keys high note is a pushed out very strained Bb5 in reinforced falsetto. I don’t know a single korean male vocalist who’s ever sung Bb5 well though.

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  4. I think I get it when you say onew’s mix is lack of resonance… in this performance, he belt some notes, it looks effortless but lack of fullness(?) @0:32, 1:33 and 1:57. Is it because it’s a bright song so he sung it lighter or it’s just his technique?

    And how did he do @ 2:40 – 2:45 in this performance?

    And…. I want to ask again, sorry for many question >,<
    onew hold his note for 40 seconds….. again its f*ckin 40 seconds. how did he even???
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxbAXGvnfxg (@6:27-7:06)
    my question: is his note healthy? and how did he manage to do it? is it because his amazing breath support or?

    Thank you so much ^^

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    1. Actually the 40 second long note is better placed than most, I like the sound of that note. It’s a bit musically unappealing to have a 40 sec long note though lol 2:40 in the other video, there was tension and a closed throat but his mix on Bb4 sounds more balanced than before. 0:32 supported G4 but could’ve been much more opened, 1:33 E4 was fine, 1:57 A4’s, better than before but still not good yet.

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  5. Ahmin, please tell me you fanboyed over Onew and the rest of Shinee for their MAMA performance. Don’t let me fanboy alone. Everybody looked really hot though and Jonghyun was hyped. Key really lived up to his fashionista title.

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  6. This is a lovely ensemble performance by Onew, Yesung, and Ryeowook at an SM Town Japan performance in 12/2012. This analysis didn’t mention how he sings with others as is sometimes mentioned with other singers.

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    1. Hi there! You’re very welcome. ^ ^ See my thing with this video is that I have no issues saying that this is easily one of his best vocal performances, but it isn’t necessarily a sign of improvement. It’s just a song that falls perfectly within his supported range and showcases just how comfortable he is in that range, which is great for him quite honestly. It just happens to be in a very comfortable range for him. He sounds beautiful in it as well, from a subjective point of view that is.

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      1. oh no, i wasn’t thinking he necessarily improved or not (even though i hope he does with time). just wondering if this sounded lipsynced to you as well, since you mentioned you had doubts if the perf was live based on the official dvd version. tbh, onew’s singing is the hardest for me to differentiate if it’s live or lipsynced since he always sound so stable (to me at least) even when he’s smiling, making weird facial expressions, or even running about (that weird man and his weird antics). it’s especially hard now that he doesn’t crack that all often.

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      2. Oh haha that version may have been dubbed on the official video but I think it could be live yeah. I sure hope it is.

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  7. 1:51 and 2:00 by Key. Were they badly placed? The first one sounds fine to me. 2:28 by Onew. 3:00 who do you think was that? was it Key?

    well whatever it is this song and mv is SO freaking hot don’t you agree haha

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    1. It could be key but we can’t really be sure of the quality of the notes because this is in studio and in studio the amount of reverb you use to make singing sound better really makes certain songs questionable. This isn’t a ballad, this is a pop song so it’s more overly produced. Yes the song is nice lol

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    2. Sometimes i’m questioning Key’s vocal type lol Because he can make his voice to the high notes (mix and falsetto) but normally he sounds kinda deep too 😄

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  8. I’m totally obsessing over the caramel goodness that is Onew’s voice. Definitely one of Kpop’s most distinct voices. Would you say that the caramel quality is the color that nature willed his instrument to be, or is it the result of technique? Or perhaps a mix of both? I need to find the secret to a delicious tone in the most literal sense!

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  9. hi! could i ask you to analyse this video? how did the respective members do? (singing, adlibs, etc.) thank you very much and sorry to bother you!

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    1. Why is Jonghyun so unf. LOL Jk Anyway hi. 0:17 ~ 0:29 B3 ~ G#4 was the range he was singing in, the G#4’s were the highest notes and they were slightly pushed out volume wise but he had support and that was nice, I was quite pleased with the approach on those G#4’s. It is the top of his supported range after all. 0:31 F#4, nice, a bit of tongue tension but that’s kind of a thing with Jonghyun. He supports and has good placement but there’s a lack of openness in his throat. 0:40 So Taemin had phlegm in his throat, unfortunate. 0:42 he sounds kind of weaker on the G#4’s and he was slightly flat, he sounds like he’s in bad condition but coming down he sounded nicer. 0:49 Minho is completely singing in his throat, there’s no support. It’s slightly high for a baritone and he is approaching it lightly, but he is still relying too much on the tightness of his throat. 1:34 Onew’s head voice harmonization, correct notes, but he and the other guy weren’t blending at all. Good job for him figuring out the notes and using that nice connected head voice, beautiful B4. 1:49 Taemin sounds rough, he sounds sick. 1:43 slightly flat, everyone. This was kind of improvised and for fun, so I don’t hold anything against them. Taemin did sound rough. It’s no problem at all. ^ ^

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    1. I am not sure, I don’t remember clearly but I wanna say possibly Onew in the lower part but Kyuhyun as they go higher. Jonghyun’s is better in control, Ryeowook’s in placement.

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      1. Ohhh that is so interesting to know. Thanks. I read OH vocal thread a lot but you guys don’t really talk about male idols’ head voice. since head voice for males are quite rare, please give me the Top 5 head voices among male idols. Thank you!! 🙂

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      2. I really don’t know for sure…I can’t even remember the males with consistent head voices..Baekhyun, Onew, Jonghyun, Kyuhyun, Ryeowook, Gunwoo, John Park, Daesung..

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    2. Hi ahmin,
      How would you rank these guys solely in terms of head voice/falsetto, Jonghyun, Onew, Ryeowook, Kyuhyun, Rokhyun, Junsu, Daehyun, Baekhyun, and Chen.
      Thanks

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      1. Honey. LOL that is a very delicate question and you’re asking me to dig deep inside my brain to remember each of them. Chen wouldn’t be putting up a fight here at all. I’ll try.

        Jonghyun/Ryeowook > Junsu > Kyuhyun > Lee Hyun > Gunwoo > Onew > G.O. > Rokhyun/Yoseob>/Jokwon > Baekhyun > Daehyun > Chen…I feel like looking at their supported ranges makes it kind of self explanatory. I’m not sure though, I could be remembering it wrong.

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      2. Lol thank you so much. Only now did I realize how time consuming this question really is. Either way, thank you very much. I didn’t realize how good of a head voice jonghyun has, I mean on the level of ryeowook!

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  10. hi ahmin Did you heard Taemin last album There Two Bb4 but he already Lip Sync the One in Drip drop, How Was his F#4 and G#4 in the chorus
    the V app one seems Better than the Radio ( He seems Nervous :p )

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    1. When asking about specific portions of songs, please provide time stamps. He sounds badly warmed up in the radio performance, also the G#4’s are on Aye vowels and Taemin hasn’t figured out his Aye vowel.

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    1. Well actually.. it wasn’t a very good performance. He wasn’t using the proper volume output and resonance chambers to allow his voice to have the right size and projection for a classical piece and instead, he was pushing his larynx down and a lot of air pressure out to have a bigger sound in his voice. He had tension in a good portion of this performance, considering of course he was tired and all. He was pulling a lot more chest than he usually would, it’s not an easy song for someone to just sing without any true classical training. SHINee members? Jonghyun > Onew/> Taemin >>>>>>> Key >>>> Minho Thanks for the support btw! ^ ^

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      1. Hi! Onew performed Nessun Dorma again and I could hear the improvement in his 2016 version. But I wanted hear your opinion. Please and thank you! 😊

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      2. This has been asked about on twitter, let me paste my answer:

        “It’s kind of hard to hear it because of the girls talking and the quality of sound. Okay here’s my problem with this song choice, Onew is not a classical singer. SM does not teach classical singing, he was never taught how to sing in a classical way so he should NOT sing classical pieces. He just does not have the correct technique to handle this song the way it’s meant to be sung. So the good news is this sounds quite a bit better than he did when he sang this in 2010. He sounds less strained, less pushed. He has a beautiful voice and I love him dearly, but he should not be doing certain things in this song. I mean that low C3 at the beginning of the song, in the audio only video 0:16, that was nice. Most tenors in K-pop can’t produce low notes as well as Onew. However overall he is lowering his larynx a bit too much throughout the song, in order to create a bigger sound and get a bigger voice, he can do that in the lower parts of the song and it works because it’s not too high. However he is improperly lowering his larynx but pushing his voice out with his throat and swallowing his tongue a bit and he goes back and forth with a wannabe-classical sound and a pop-like sound. 1:00 1:49 Those G4’s, he can produce much better G4’s when he just sings with a natural approach in his mix, like he usually does in pop music but for this, he is using too much throat when singing and he is trying to just sing as loud as possible, with as much pushing as possible and there isn’t a correct engagement of proper breathing with placement that a well trained classical singer would need. I mean Onew can sing G4’s well, so he shouldn’t be straining them like he did in this song. He is doing it because he does not know how to sing classical music. He is pushing his larynx down with his tongue and yelling out with a very chesty mix and Onew’s mix is not nearly this chesty usually, so he is straining his voice in order to sound bigger and louder than how he usually sings. This is much better than years ago, but it’s still a song he really shouldn’t sing without having an instructor to help him. There’s just too much tension throughout with him vocalizing improperly in a style of singing he doesn’t know how to sing right.”

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  11. Hi Ahmin, not related to Onew at all LOL but I need your input as to what Baekhyun is doing to so easily hit his high C at 00:22.

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    1. If it’s not about Onew and it’s about Baekhyun, then it should be posted on the Baekhyun analysis. I don’t know what you define by “easily”, he was hitting it that’s true but there was a lot of struggle. A lot of throat tension and roughness in that note, it was pretty heady and bright and so just because he’s able to mix that high, it doesn’t make it “easy”.

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    1. 0:35 Jonghyun went slightly off there. There’s nothing really new to say about them. I really can’t be sure about the genre, that’s a personal opinion of mine. Not an objective analysis. He seems to suit ballads, pop, acoustic styles, sometimes musical theatre.

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  12. I wonder whether you have seen this MR removed version of SHINee’s An Encore and View (from idk when LOL). The MR aren’t totally removed, but the vocals are damn clear.

    But I really hope that you will give them a listen tho 🙂
    I can’t provide the time stamp (probably just the first part; An Encore 00:24 to 04:04).
    Many thanks and have a good day!

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    1. Do you have a specific question? I’m not sure what reply you are looking for.. We usually don’t like MR Removed videos because they 1. prove nothing for singing technique 2. distort vocals.

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    2. this was last year’s Hallyu Dream Concert (August?) Idk but i was watching its live-stream and this is not MR Removed, it’s literally their live voices on top of the backing track. The entire concert’s performances all had very loud mics/ soft backing track like this lol shawols were proud of shinee for sounding so stable

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      1. Hola, me gustaría saber qué tal lo hacen en la versión en vivo de “An Ode To You” del concierto, que empieza en el min. 1:06:55. Creo que es una de las pocas canciones que no suenan igual en directo que en estudio. Y que me dijeses qué tal lo hace Onew en la nota alta acompañando a Key en el min. 1:10:42, porque no parece él… 😛 Se les nota cansados, eso sí. Espero que no te moleste que escriba en español, mi inglés deja mucho que desear :P. Muchas gracias ^^

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      2. No me molestas. Solo no se si puedo escribir en Español bien. Si tengo decirte la verdad, no me recuerdo muy bien como la cancion es en estudio pero no me suena mal. No puedo decir nada nuevo para Taemin, Jonghyun, Key, Minho o Onew solo porque lo cantan como siempre. La tecnica es como siempre, Key y Minho tienen problemas con support en general y los otros…tienen mucho mejor control de sus voces. 1:10:05, me gusto el A4 de Taemin. 1:10:42 Key casi que grita la nota G#4, pero es normal para Key. La nota de Onew fue un B4, con su voz de la cabeza y no hay problema para, fue bueno. Mi Español deja mucho que desear tambien. lol

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      3. Tu español no tiene nada de malo, créeme, es muy bueno ;). Me resulta curiosa esta canción porque, en estudio, los vibratos de Minho y sobre todo de Key son increíblemente marcados, mientras que en directo casi ni se perciben. ¿Será por esa falta de apoyo (support) de la que sufren? Cada vez que intento cantarla yo, nunca me sale XD. Muchas gracias por contestarme en español, y en serio que tu nivel es mucho más alto que el mío de inglés ^^

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      4. Si la falta de apoyo es directamente relacionada a la falta de un vibrato, por ejemplo. Pero si tienen un vibrato, no significa que pueden apoyar sus voces porque el vibrato puede creado artificialmente y entonces el resultado es un vibrato de la larynx, de la lengua o de la jaw. Gracias, tu eres muy gentil. ^ ^

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    1. not an admin but I think I saw a comment somewhere saying that Onew is the stronger vocalist (since the only thing Taemin has over him is his mix? idk it’s not verbatim but I’m pretty sure I saw somewhere that Onew was better)

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    1. It’s better but he shouldn’t sing classical pieces without being taught to sing them properly. He’s forcing his voice to sound very different from what he sings usually but it’s not the proper way to sing classically and there’s a lot of tension throughout because he’s forcing his voice.

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      1. sorry to interupt, but do u think it was harmful to his throat? i wondered if his throat issue was caused by the opera performance he did a few years ago. i am worried he forced himself too much…

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      2. No no it’s just one performance, don’t worry. He didn’t get modules because of one performance.

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      1. Wait I went to check the link again and I swear that’s not what I heard before. I swear I heard Why So Serious or something.. Yeah no that was a head voice G5, it was live. It was the same notes as SNSDs chorus of You Think.

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  13. Hi! You’ve said before that Jonghyun > Onew/Taemin > Key > Minho, but which category would Key and Minho be in if they were analyzed? (I know they’re not but just curious) Would they both be weak? Also, I noticed quite often Key pushes his voice and sounds really nasally to me. Is that one of his main issues? Thanks 🙂

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      1. I’m glad you said this because shawols are always saying that Minho and Key (but particulary Key) are “underrated” and that they’re all good singers when it’s always seemed to me that those 2 were weak/average at the very best.

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    1. That was very cute. Well he did have Nessum dorma which was both solo and recent lol he needs to go on KoMS. I think he sounded fine, a bit tired, love the head voice.

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      1. i didn’t count nessun dorma cause that wasn’t really his comfort zone, i wish he sang more lol KoMS would be the best but i doubt that will happen T_T anyways thank you!

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  14. ahmin3

    what’s makes onew placed in AA to C? so far what i heard, watch & read he has about 2,5 octaves supported range, he has head voice & resonance consistently. her voice pretty light so he has good agility at least not bad on it. he also has good low register can support down to B2 whereas it’s very rare for tenor. i think he deserved to be Competent. i’m sorry i dont try to argue with u or something about that, i’m just asking. thanks.

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    1. The extension of one’s supported range is irrelevant, in no place in our criteria does it seem relevant at all. The proximity to his passaggi is a lot more relevant than how high or low he supports his voice. His resonance isn’t THAT consistent actually, out of all the AA to C vocalists, he’s the least consistent with resonance up to G#4. His agility isn’t good, it’s fairly decent. The reason he is AA to C is because he has a supported head voice and a nice lower range despite his mix being less consistent with openness and resonance than even some AA tenors. He’s a rounded vocalist but Competent tenors are much more consistent with resonance and support throughout their ranges.

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    2. Can it be SHINee as the strongest group as a whole especially in SM hmm… or maybe after CSJH?
      This make me wondering SM groups ranking maybe without NCT and TRAX.

      CSJH>SHINee>SNSD/F(x)/RedVelvet>SJ/EXO>TVXQ LOL

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      1. I got bored and curious and actually calculated it out mathematically based on what I knew about the weak/weaker vocalists in each of the groups and I got SHINee > f(x) > EXO > SJ > Red Velvet > SNSD > TVXQ.
        I didn’t do CSJH because I don’t know anything about their other members, but I assumed that Amber, Chanyeol, and Joy are around W-A, Seulgi and Key are around Average, Wendy is Competent, and everyone else is weak, so those were the numbers I used for everyone without an analysis. Psssssh.
        The numbers were all within about ~.5 of each other with the exception of SHINee, whose average was almost 3, and TVXQ, whose average was 1.25. Everyone else was either at, slightly above, or slightly under 2.
        Very minuscule differences lol.

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      2. Well I don’t like to include non vocal line vocalists when talking about strongest groups because in most, if not all groups, the vocalists outside of the vocal line are weak. Why is Red Velvet even with SNSD and fx? SNSD > Fx/Red Velvet considering Luna and Krystal.. Again I’d rather make this vocal lines only or not do this at all. Lol

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      3. @Amir: Yeas BaekChenSoo are stronger but the rest of EXO is Weak or Weak to Average, that makes the whole as Average. While SHINee as a whole is still stronger like 1 Competent, 2 AA to C, 1 Average and 1 Weak possibly. Just like SJ 1 Good to Great, 1 Good, 1 AA, the rest are weak, it makes them Average as a whole.

        @Seungwan: Yeah CSJH is a bit unknown now but i think the’re good enough as a whole, like they are 4 with 1 good and 1 AA, i think even the rest jut weak of Average, they can still be the strongest. FX i think isn’t better than SNSD and Red Velvet too. Like Fx is 1 Competent to Good with 2 Weak to Average and 1 weak, RV is more or less 1 competent, 1 average, 1 weak to average, 2 weak maybe. and SNSD 1 competent, 1 a to aa, 2/3 average, 1/2 weak to average, 2 weak maybe.

        @Ahmin: Yeah, non-vocalist is a bit difficult to think like what rate is at least match at them. But yeah just wondering this things lol, sometimes just too curious what if as a whole. If it’s just the vocal line, we already now like who’s the strongest 😄

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  15. @Amir: According to these analysis only Chen is stronger than all SHINee vocal line though? Baekhyun and D.O are ranked AA to C like Onew/Taemin and below Jonghyun (who’s competent), so EXO would be stronger only thanks to Chen, basically.

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  16. I don’t know if you’ve seen this performance before, but I just wanted to ask what you think of it. It’s been a while since he last sang this song and to me he sounds better than in earlier performances but I’d like to hear your opinion. Also I wanted to ask, those high notes at the end are sung with head voice, right? I’m still having trouble differentiating falsetto from head voice ;P

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    1. He is a bit nasal throughout the verse because it is pretty low and he was trying to project around the second octave. This song isn’t very high for him in general and it’s in a generally comfortable range so he is fine for the most part. I didn’t really hear this before and I don’t even know if I ever heard this song performed live actually. 3:14 that F#4 could’ve been more relaxed. He could relax his neck more, he has some tension. For most of the song this is in a pretty comfortable range. Yes the end is head voice for both Onew and Kim Yeonwoo.

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  17. I don’t know if fans of the other artists in this collaboration have already asked you to check out this video, it’s a special stage featuring Onew, Sandeul, Ken and Taeil. I’d like to know what you think about their performance in general and specially about Onew’s singing ^^ https://youtu.be/82iPkxHUj0E

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    1. 0:14 wtf was that sound that came out? lol Actually nobody asked about this, considering it’s a completely new performance. Let me take a listen.

      I believe the range for the verse is C#3 ~ C#4, which is fairly easy for all of them. They kind of whispered the C#3’s, but they sound comfortable and supported. 1:12 F#4’s with lightness and support, Taeil is a bit nasal but overall they sound all comfortable and supported. Ken does have a bit too much compression in his vocal cords, but he also sounds supported. 1:28 throat tension on the A4 for Onew, but the G#4 and below range was fine, well placed. He could have rounder placement but the overall support was good. The A4’s were much better for Sandeul, although he could have been a bit less pushy. 2:03 tightness in his throat, but not too bad. It’s just the nasality. 2:11 a bit closed for Ken too, but when both he and Taeil were singing lighter they were using less pushing and tension which helped them in the end. 2:18 strained pushed G#4 for Ken though. 2:20 oh of course he could go for a C#5, much more tense than the G#4. 2:23 more closed in placement and throat shaping, but not too tense for Taeil. 2:39 A4 to B4 for Sandeul, very well placed and resonant but too much chestiness. 2:40 ~ 2:54 Ken’s throat is very closed throughout, the tightest of the the 4. 3:00 good transitions into his head voice, even though the vibrato was a bit wobbly and he fell flat at 3:09. Overall they all did as expected, no decline and no improvement.

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  18. Hi!!
    Your blog is very interesting even i don’t fully understand all those music words:(.

    I’m curious of something about Onew. It seems like there’re many people (both fans/non fans) demand for his solo album. Do you think he should go solo? I’m asking because he’s not in competent level in your ranking. So he may not have enough skills to do it or can captivate listener enough?

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    1. I think that question has very little to do with his vocal ability and a lot more to do with him being a marketable artist. Taemin isn’t a competent vocalist either and he went solo, Jiyeon and Eunjung of T-Ara are weak vocalists but they got solos while T-Ara’s best technical vocalist, Soyeon, didn’t. So him being competent, or them being weak, or someone being average…all of that is irrelevant to being able to release a solo album since being a marketable or successful artist in terms of sales has little to nothing to do with vocal ability. I personally would love for Onew to go solo, but that’s not my decision to make.

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      1. (Whispers)… Happy Birthday. Replace all the ”Key”s with Ahmin. Onew is singing for you. Thanks for everything you do.

        Thanks to Frostprincess and Pandayeu for everything as well.

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  19. Hello 😀

    This was onew & jonghyun recent duet. I think they sing this song so much better than in 2009. How did they do, technique wise?

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    1. The range for this song isn’t very challenging, for either Onew nor Jonghyun for the most. The chorus is around G4, where they both can sound just fine. Their pitch is very good here, their harmonies are good. I like it how in the first chorus Jonghyun sings the melody and Onew sings the lower harmony, then in the second chorus Onew sings the melody and Jonghyun then sings a higher harmony instead of a lower one. Dynamically and composition wise, that adds a lot of variation to the song. So the melody is 안 (G4) 돼 (F4) 요 (Eb4) 안 (G4) 돼 (F4) 요 (Eb4) 그 (G4) 렇 (F4) 게 (Eb4) 가 (G4) 지 (F4) 마 (Eb4) 요 (F4) which is a very simple melody. Onew’s harmony is Eb4 D4 C4 Eb4 D4 C4 Eb4 D4 C4 D4, but Jonghyun’s upper harmony is Bb4 Ab4 G4 Bb4 Ab4 G4 Bb4 Ab4 G4 Bb4 Ab4 G4 Bb4. So we can establish that the key they’re in has three flats and it’s therefore the key of Eb but the key center might be minor so I feel like they’re in the key of C minor. I may be wrong. Either way the harmony is basically Eb is the tonic, Bb is the fifth above and G is the third of the chord, so the first harmony is Jonghyun singing the third and Onew singing the tonic, the second harmony is Onew singing the third and Jonghyun singing the fifth. Anyway I’m going on a tangent. 2:45 That Ab4 for Onew sounded pretty nice actually. I’m happy to hear him doing well on his G#4/Ab4’s. 3:04 head voice, but Bb4’s are too high for him. 3:04 key change, up a semitone. 3:08 Now Onew is phrasing G#4’s, which are still pretty nice. 3:16 they’re giving the harmonies back and forth. Jonghyun is singing the tonic of the chord while Onew is singing the third, then going back and forth with that. I’m going on and on about the harmonies because the song is comfortable. 3:37 nice G#4 for Jonghyun 3:43 supported G#4 for Onew, the key is now E major. Anyway I hope this helped in anyway LOL I had too much fun figuring out the harmonies. lol

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      1. Thankyouuu, Im glad they did well. Yes yesss, I love their harmony too. their voice sounds so good together ❤
        Im curious, the thing onew did at 2:51, was it growl? Its healthy right? because its sounds painful to me, lol. but I heard a lot of singer did it, but rare for onew

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  20. This is the same performance as the third video under his “best performances”, right? I was about to suggest it but then I noticed it was there already. Lol

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      1. Hi Ahmin,

        This is more of sharing for the fun of knowing. So now we have the approximated vocal ranges of all the Shinee members. The baritone line has the widest ranges for sure.

        Onew: F#2 – Bb5
        Jonghyun: G2 – C#6
        Taemin: G2 – B5
        Key: D2 – Bb5
        Minho: E2/F2 (Unknown for now I guess) – C#6

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      2. Hi Ahmin,

        I probably posted this at one point in time and I forgot where, so I never saw your answer. I wanted to tell you support in in Spanish, for the context of singing, is most closely translated to soporte. Apoyo is to support people’s movements, to physically/emotional help them, to support ideals, that type of thing. Soporte also refers to physical help, but it also is used with structures, such as the beams have support. ”La torre tiene soporte” or ”La voz tiene soporte” are more correct than ”apoyo” in terms of the context.

        P.S. Choice: Onew or VMIN?
        Curiosity: What would you do if you met Onew, V, and Jimin on separate individual occasions?
        Real question: Why do you think Onew has had problems with consistent G#4s? If he had them secured, would he be most likely placed in Competent/Proficient?

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      3. I really don’t remember you posting this, but oh I didn’t know. Did I say apoyo? It’s cause in Portuguese you’d say apoio as opposed to suporte. I did not know you spoke Spanish. Either way thank you.

        Choice..well that’s difficult, I really don’t know. Onew gives me love feels, but Vmin gives me the feels to believe in love. lol If I met them, I’d want to teach V to be a proper baritone, I’d teach Jimin singing in general and I’d just hang out with Onew. lol I think Onew’s inconsistency with G#4’s simply comes from lack of proper air management and he just doesn’t breathe properly sometimes. He forgets to breathe sometimes. I don’t think he’d be competent even if he did have resonant G#4’s.

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  21. Hola, fui yo la que dijo apoyo, no Ahmin. En el español de España, “support” significa apoyo, en el sentido de algo que te ayuda a conseguir lo que quieres, mientras que “soporte” se refiere más a aguantar peso. Usas un apoyo para levantar cosas o coger impulso, por ejemplo, pero utilizas un soporte para aguantar el peso de una estantería. Entiendo que en otros países se utilice ese “soporte”, pero en mi país suena raro dar soporte a la voz; es apoyo.
    Siento la charla, y además en español. Sorry, Ahmin 😦

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    1. Yo también piense así y yo no hablo español de España ni la America Latina, entonces hay mucho que dijo que es una mistura de los dos. No hay problem cariño. ^ ^

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      1. Different worlds, huh? De donde yo vengo, suena muy raro decir que una voz tiene ”apoyo” o ”apoyar la voz”. Semantically speaking, ”soporte” sounds more appropriate, but a person’s place of origin makes better sense of semantics than just the word’s definition itself. Love your other answers, Ahmin. However, the other thing you said about Onew really confused me. Supposing he did have consistent support and resonance up to G#4, you wouldn’t bump him to proficient? I sure would, but that’s the highest I would place him though, for sure. I always thought that was what held him back from Proficient/Competent. Is there any other bad habit of his that I missed? Sometimes shallow support in the lower range, occasional nasality, B2 – E5 with a nice head voice and lower range.

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      2. Proficient is a nice word.. I wonder if we should change lol I’m not sure, I suppose he could be like Park Jimin in that case, so perhaps yes.

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      3. I thought I should share this since you were thinking about the word proficient. I kid you not, I once said to a group of individuals, after explaining vocal tidbits, I said (when I mistakenly thought I didn’t have a head voice) that I was a competent vocalist. They all laughed at me, as if I set myself up for a gag. In another situation, with no explanations whatsoever about vocalizing, I said I was proficient, and I was praised. Ever since that situation, I always refer to people like Jonghyun and John Park as Proficient vocalists and people like Taemin and Onew as Above Average to Proficient vocalists. Proficient and Competent are the same thing, but one sets you up for absolute humiliation.

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      4. They think that competent, in the context of the story I shared above, is just nearing average or barely good enough to make the cut. It’s similar to a fine line between failure and slightly skilled. Well, those are my two cents. Sorry to take much of your time.

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  22. Hello 😀 This is the latest radio performance of Tell Me What To Do

    How did they do, especially jjong, taemin and onew in the chorus? And I’ll be thankful if you could analysis the whole performance 😀 Thankyouuuu
    They’re so cute in this video tho, Im crying ;~;

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    1. Is this Jonghyun’s radio show? That’s funny. lol Onew’s sweater is so..ugly. lol Why…why would he do that. But anyway. The range for the verse is E3 ~ A3, so there’s absolutely no challenge for any of them there, 0:50 there was a quick D4 which again isn’t a challenge so the verses should be fine. 0:55 Minho, I’ll mention him once. Pretty voice, no support, just air and shallowness, his vocal cords are barely connected or stretching. He’s mostly pretty flat too. 1:05 ~ 1:20 the majority of the chorus is a bunch of G4’s and some phrased A4’s, Jonghyun’s part seemed fine live on broadcast but in this specific performance he sounds quite rough, since usually these radio shows are in the morning or so, I would assume he has not warmed up properly yet. 1:35 much better projection and stretch for Key than Minho, but still too rough in his throat. 2:00 Jonghyun’s G4’s sound okay here, they’re supported and relaxed, cause he’s not using as much force. 2:08 ish the pre-chorus line is E4’s and F#4’s, Onew could’ve been a bit stronger on his stretch but it was relaxed, it was mostly fine. 2:13 Taemin sounds a lot less tight than Jonghyun, he sounds better warmed up. His mixed is freer, more relaxed and more opened on the G4’s and the A4’s as well. 2:39 completely closed throat B4 for Jonghyun but overall he just sounds really tired/not warmed up. 2:48 Onew is phrasing very relaxed and supported F#4’s, he has no problem around that range. He sounds better warmed up than Jonghyun too. 2:57 F#4 to G4 for Taemin, if it wasn’t for HA since he used too much of an H sound to push the G4, he could’ve been more relaxed. 3:32 G4’s for Onew, less relaxed and less free than Taemin but more opened and supported than Jonghyun’s in the first chorus. He sounds fine actually, just a bit pushed. 3:32 very closed very tight very strained B4 line for Key. 3:37 D5 for Jonghyun I believe, very tight. No news here. 3:38 A4’s for Onew are a bit more pushed, not real support there. You can actually see his larynx raising. 3:47 Taemin around G4 sounds completely fine, but he does get tight on the B4’s too. Overall Onew and Taemin sound the same as usual, Key and Minho too, the only one who seems to be having an off day is Jonghyun.

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  23. Yeesss, its jjong’s radio show bluenight. And its a midnight (0 AM – 2 AM) radio show, so I think they were pretty tired and sleepy ;~;
    And wow thank you so much for the detailed analysis ❤ Ahh, maybe jjong was lack of rest because of tight schedule and his upcoming solo concert practices ;~;

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    1. Ahmin, since I saw you mentioned Jonghyun possibly not warming up, how important would you say warming up is for singing. Isn’t it possible to sing a few practice songs, and then proceed with the actual performance or do you have to do something more? By the way, is singing a lot of focused songs good practice and good warm-up? For example, If it was for you, you could sing songs and gradually increase the range, for example, one with B4, then 2 wit D4-E4, and 1 with F4 and so on until G4.

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      1. Most of the time songs are a bit too much fir your voice if you’re not warmed up. Warming up is essential. Athletes don’t start doing stuff without stretching first and we vocal athletes, we need to stretch our vocal cords. Yes that’s also one way to do it.

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      1. Yep, super diva Key doesn’t even have a supported range, I noticed especially when I compared Replay 2016 vs. Debut.

        Oh hi, Ahmin, I was here to say hi and ask a question. Hope you are doing well. I saw on your SNS that you’re an official instructor(woohoo!). I wanted to ask about Onew’s head voice. Why does it sound, please correct me if I’m wrong, cleaner and better produced than Jonghyun’s head voice.

        P.S. Minho’s arms or Jonghyun’s abs? BTS Jimin’s cheeks or V’s smile?

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      2. I’ve been an official instructor for sometime now haha Onews head voice is thicker than jonghyuns, he uses more chest muscles and a bit of a lower placement, that’s why. Mhmm jonghyuns abs and Vs smile.

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  24. That is quite fascinating. So Onew produces a thicker head voice because of the chest muscles used in his head voice. I remember you said once that males don’t have pure head voices because of the chest that is carried in head voice and females can disconnect their chest muscles from their head voices. So with these traits in mind, amongst onew, ryeowook and jjong , can you compare and contrast their head voices for me if its not too much trouble? Can you also tell me who has the best approach?

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    1. I think Onew’s placement is lower, often more nasal and Jonghyun’s is higher placed and less nasal, more head-voice like. Ryeowook is in between, cause he places it better in the head than Onew but he doesn’t keep it as light as Jonghyun. The approach is different, Jonghyun’s approach is better for him to go higher, but Ryeowook’s approach is good in terms of support and so is Onew’s, Onew’s is just too nasal and he doesn’t open up the upper part of his range because he doesn’t allow the placement to move up and the head voice muscles to thin out and be used more than the chest muscles as he goes higher.

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  25. Posting on Onew’s page simply because his voice seems the clearest.

    How was the harmonising from 0:26 onwards? Sounds right up my street tbh. Am I the only one hearing a female voice at 0:36 on ‘-mas’ or is it Onew going up into a head voice possibly heard again at 0:38-0:39?

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    1. 0:26 and 0:31 someone or two people are flat but they’re okay. The higher voice is Jonghyun singing lighter around 0:36, he’s using a lighter mix or a bit of a falsetto like sound. I don’t think it was Onew.

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      1. I wish I could reliably place the note I’m hearing but I don’t have the training. But I do have a guitar and a crappy keyboard and I’m fairly certain it’s a Bmaj chord at 0:37 and I hear Jonghyun with the mix as you said but I hear a voice above him for half a second as 0:38 goes into 0:39. Possibly a F#4. Almsot certainly falsetto.

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  26. Hello. I really would love to have someone else’s opinion about the before and after surgery Onew voice. I am a longtime fan of SHINee and especially Onew’s voice. I really loved hearing him sing Trot songs because he had such a wide range and seemed to effortlessly sing any of the songs with almost no effort. I didn’t want to bring this up online, because I would never want to hurt him, but it has broken my heart to hear him sing ever since the surgery. The deeper notes are what made his voice sound warm and made me hold my breath. While his voice is still beautiful, to me it seems to be missing the ability to go as deep as before. Can you just email me your answer, and delete this post please?
    Thanks

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    1. Actually honestly speaking Onew’s voice has been completely fine after the surgery. There’s no real change to his singing, he can still sing as low as he used to before, he actually has sung lower than he had in the past. He still maintains the same level of skill and technique that he possessed before. I believe I’ve always answered questions similar to yours and I keep my opinion that he is doing just as fine as always. The surgery seems to have been successful and he’s healthy. There’s nothing hurtful about your question and I hope there’s nothing hurtful about my answer because he is doing just fine, he can sing as low as he did before and just as well. His ability to sing lower notes as well as higher notes is not gone at all.

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  27. Just wanted to know what you think about this collaboration between Onew and Yonghwa yesterday. The song doesn’t seem all that challenging but I think they struggled with it a few times, maybe because they didn’t have much time to rehearse. Anyway I’d like to hear your opinion on their performance.

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    1. 1:13 whispered C3 or C#3 but it’s the style he’s going for. 1:23 Eb4, easy range so far. 1:29 Yonghwa went off key but he’s okay. 1:33 1:35 1:36 he’s kind of pitchy throughout actually. Oh how I’ve missed Onew.. lol It’s been a while since I’ve seen him singing. 1:53 again Eb4, no problem there. 2:03 pitchy again Yonghwa, and really strained for the 2:05 G#4 down to F#4. Again not that high but he’s straining quite a bit and he’s really too airy throughout, he’s not engaging his vocal cords enough so being on pitch becomes much harder that way. 2:15 sloppy run. 2:19 Onew sounds fine, his pitch is clean. 2:27 C#3 nicely connected. 2:29 slightly flat here for Onew. 2:31 a bit flat here too. 2:38 tight F#4’s, why is Yonghwa getting the mixed voice notes he can’t handle? 2:53 I hear phlegm in Onew’s throat, he did not warm up enough for this. 3:11 Oh Onew drowned out Yonghwa’s strain on the A4 and G4. A4 is above his supported range but the G4 was fine. 3:27 kind of pitchy run for Onew. 3:40 Yonghwa did a run while Onew was sustaining a note and so mhmm…yeah not matching and then the harmony at the end, Onew was singing the harmony and Yonghwa was harmonizing but he was kind of flat. Throughout I think I saw I’m used to for them, Onew being a bit too airy when he wants to sound pretty and forgetting to use enough support while Yonghwa just has weak support so he was pitchy throughout and strained. Onew should’ve gotten the G#4 line cause I would be curious as to how he’d handle that on his own. But oh well, not too bad, but not their best.

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  28. Hi Ahmin,
    I’m not sure if you watched this video before. It is from SHINee’s latest Japanese release. I would like to hear your opinion on how Onew hitting the high note. He was singing out loud his part for the pv shooting, instead of lip syncing.

    Was it a head voice or falsetto? I still can’t tell the difference of these two. Many thanks !

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    1. The vowel wasn’t very good, it was a bit tight considering it wasn’t a focused enough vowel for him to place his head voice properly. It could’ve been a bit more relaxed but otherwise it was okay. It was head voice though.

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    1. The biggest problem isn’t the quality of the audio, it’s the quality of his singing. Onew is not classically trained, he does not have the right understanding of the proper larynx position, amount of support, placement nor resonance for classical singing. He’s pushing the whole time. His muscles aren’t developed for classical singing. A classical opera singer would also need to retrain their voice to sing pop. So no it’s nowhere near Pavarotti, even more so because as a tenor, Onew lowered the key of the song by a minor third when as a tenor he should be able to handle it, has he been classically trained.

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      1. Hi Ahmin, out of curiosity what does that make classical-contemporary crossover singers? I mean, do they use a different way of singing every time according to which pieces they are performing? And if I remember, Sarah Brightman is a crossover, which rank might you give her? Sorry for so many questions!

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      2. See most cross-over popera singers are really classically trained vocalists with classical placement who attempt pop with that sound, but ultimately they’re usually classical in terms of technique. We can’t rate Sarah, the way she sings is still very classical and our criteria does not fit her technique.

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  29. Ahmin, do you plan on analyzing idols’ vocal mentor (like Onew’s Kim Yeon-woo, Taeyeon’s The One, SM’s Yoo Young-jin,etc.) in the future? I am actually quite curious about them.

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  30. I always love the tone in Onew’s voice, so clear, so bright and unlike any Kpop male idol. How can I say that, but I always like a male singer sing a song with clear vocal, and make the audience feel the emotion from his heart, not moaning the lyric and make it seem like emotional (which a lot of Kpop idol do) Onew’s voice is so bright, it light up the whole song.

    Thank you for this analysis, btw, what do you think about this performance? Love Onew’s voice here.

    Also this, it’s not perfect, but still I really want him to sing the whole song.

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    1. This performance was already asked about on August 22nd 2016:

      “0:14 wtf was that sound that came out? lol Actually nobody asked about this, considering it’s a completely new performance. Let me take a listen.

      I believe the range for the verse is C#3 ~ C#4, which is fairly easy for all of them. They kind of whispered the C#3’s, but they sound comfortable and supported. 1:12 F#4’s with lightness and support, Taeil is a bit nasal but overall they sound all comfortable and supported. Ken does have a bit too much compression in his vocal cords, but he also sounds supported. 1:28 throat tension on the A4 for Onew, but the G#4 and below range was fine, well placed. He could have rounder placement but the overall support was good. The A4’s were much better for Sandeul, although he could have been a bit less pushy. 2:03 tightness in his throat, but not too bad. It’s just the nasality. 2:11 a bit closed for Ken too, but when both he and Taeil were singing lighter they were using less pushing and tension which helped them in the end. 2:18 strained pushed G#4 for Ken though. 2:20 oh of course he could go for a C#5, much more tense than the G#4. 2:23 more closed in placement and throat shaping, but not too tense for Taeil. 2:39 A4 to B4 for Sandeul, very well placed and resonant but too much chestiness. 2:40 ~ 2:54 Ken’s throat is very closed throughout, the tightest of the the 4. 3:00 good transitions into his head voice, even though the vibrato was a bit wobbly and he fell flat at 3:09. Overall they all did as expected, no decline and no improvement.”

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      1. Oh, I must miss that comment. And I don’t know much about the technique so it’s really too detail for me 🙂 just wanna know your general opinion about those two performance

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