SHINee’s Vocal Analysis: Jonghyun

Jonghyun

Vocal Range

G2 ~ C#6 (3 octaves and 3 notes)

Supported Range

C3 ~ G#4/A4

C3 ~ F#5/G5 (with head voice)

Voice Type

Light-Lyric Tenor

Strengths/Achievements

  • Second most supported lower register in SHINee amongst the tenors
  • Most developed head voice/falsetto register amongst SHINee members
  • Achieved resonance a number of times from Eb4 ~ A4 range
  • Strongest vocalist in SHINee
  • Able to keep a stable larynx even in his lowest notes
  • Able to project forward his lower register range between F#3 ~ C#3/C3, occasionally B2 and Bb2

Weaknesses

  • Tendency to push notes on A4/Bb4 and above
  • Although resonant in placement, throat isn’t as opened as it could be to achieve a fuller sound
  • Pushed falsetto/heady mix at times, creating a nasal strained sound
  • When he does not breathe properly or shows vocal fatigue, prone to having pitch/intonation issues
  • Although having a stable larynx in his lower register, notes tend to be quiet and breathy below C3/B2

Registers

  • Lower register: Stable larynx in his lower register, but at times overly breathy and unsupported, with others having a better projection and placement
  • Mixed register: Able to mix well, choosing when to use a heavier or chestier mix or a more balanced and lighter mix, although having the tendency to push on the chestier mix. Very extensive upper range, capable of mixing up to F5/F#5 but still not being able to fully support notes above A4 properly.
  • Upper register: At times able to produce a very relaxed and supported head voice/falsetto, able to extend up to A5 with a relatively relaxed throat, but also having the other extreme of pushing with a nasal forced placement and strained on notes as low as C#5~F#5 range. In a softer falsetto, generally relaxed up until F#5/G5 with some ease up until A5.

Agility

Jonghyun possesses a very light and somewhat agile voice, the problem with it is his lack of pitch accuracy. Although he’s able to smoothly transition in between pitches with a slow to medium tempo agility, some are not hit correctly thus creating sloppy runs. It’s an inconsistent agility with the need of more precision and care.

Overall analysis

Jonghyun’s natural light and thin voice allows him for a very soft sound as well as a very piercing sound when desired. His vocal timbre is youthful, with a very bright quality to it. Over the years his voice has matured and lighted up in tone, allowing for an even brighter sound with more ease in the upper register, also enabling his voice to be much softer in his lower range and better placed. He’s able to descend down to his lower range with relative ease, generally able to keep his larynx considerably stable, with a forward placement and projection down to C3, such as in “Deja-Boo“. Usually most low parts require a softer approach so he has the tendency to produce overly breathy notes below in the A2 ~ C#3 range, although more often than not C3 and C#3 are fuller in tone. In some performances of Breath, with labelmate Taeyeon of Girls’ Generation, Jonghyun descends to breathy B2’s and other fuller ones at times, same for Bb2’s, such as in the ones in Nothing Better. As a natural tenor, his voice really only shines up in his higher mixed range in the mid-fourth octave.

Jonghyun used to approach his higher mix starting around the Eb4 ~ F#4 with more forcefulness and would push up higher and higher, with a chestier mix. Over the years he has brightened up the sound to a more mask placed mixed voice with a more balanced production, therefore producing a healthier mix. He is most consistently resonant in his mixed range up to G4/G#4 and sometimes resonant A4’s are reached, or supported. His vibrato is also usually present on resonant notes up until G4/G#4, with relative ease and control, but notes above G#4 tend to be a bit tighter and not as relaxed, not having a present vibrato as a consequence. However so, he has the tendency to breathe incorrectly at times causing his support to drop and his pitch and tone production to be compromised, such examples include that of his L’Arc En-Ciel cover where due to moving too much around on stage, the breathing was greatly compromised causing him to push on many notes and going considerably flat and sharp throughout the performance. His placement is still considerably well produced most of the time and he’s able to keep a consistent column of sound with mask and chest resonance in his voice. Although resonance is achieved Jonghyun still tends to keep his vowels closed and his throat ends up closing as well, trapping some of the sound. In other words, although his voice is well placed in the mask, the tone isn’t as full as it could be due to the little space provided in his throat for sound to come out and project.

His breath support and control is relatively consistent. When he is on point, he’s able to keep his throat open enough and his intonation is good, but at other times, due to too much movement and vocal fatigue, his intonation is clearly damaged, although tone production in itself isn’t always compromised. In the London Performance of “Nothing Better” Jonghyun shows vocal fatigue and so his intonation and vocal runs are at times off, but his upper falsetto notes still retain a relaxed and opened free sound, without real constriction. Jonghyun’s falsetto register is one of the most developed in SHINee, at times being able to produce a fuller head voice or at others a more breathy falsetto sound. He’s consistently able to stay in that register without real signs of fatigue, although at other times he will push a more heady mix sound with clear throat tension which also compromises his intonation and control.

Jonghyun is overall consistent enough in his falsetto, lower chest and mixed register, being the most well rounded SHINee member. Although it’s known that Taemin possesses a more consistent and well placed mixed voice, with notes produced with more of a healthy technique in between the G4 ~ B4 range, Jonghyun still is able to withstand his position as the main vocalist by his falsetto and lower chest register to balance him out, alongside his musicality, also known as the understanding of music. Jonghyun is able to use onsets and perceive music more accurately with appropriate dynamic, breathiness, raspiness and placement changes depending on the style, although not 100% able to execute it well, he has the right potential to achieve such versatility. So in short, he has potential and ability at times, but it’s either a nice delivery or a messy delivery.

Over the years Jonghyun has shown some improvement, considerable at times, in consistency and placement, but he has still a lot of room to grow with the years. He’s a passionate vocalist with a strong ability to understand music through lyric writing, composition, bass, guitar and piano playing. As an artist he shows potential to develop his craft, as a vocalist, from what he’s shown, he might improve more slowly and develop through the years.

Musicianship

Although able to vary songs and show his own interpretation, he lacks on consistency of his creativity. In other words, Jonghyun has the ability to creatively think of ways to change a song around and make it his own, but also isn’t consistent on delivering his interpretation effectively, at times going off pitch, at times straining and creating unnecessary strained sounds. At times he’s able to execute his ideas effectively with good pitch and placement, like adding vocal runs to embellish a song, but at others adding runs that are closed in his throat and with varying precision.

Rating

Proficient Vocalist

Vocal Range Video(s)

Video by: kitsunemale

Video by: 2NE1Bang

Best Vocal Performance(s)

Analyzed by Ahmin (Kitsunemale)

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332 thoughts on “SHINee’s Vocal Analysis: Jonghyun

  1. I didn’t think it was a challenging note, I just thought it sounded different than usual. Maybe ‘better’ wasn’t the right word. Also yeah, chest to head makes sense. Still trying to get my head around singing terms and whatnot though. Thanks for replying. 🙂

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      1. Hey, I was wondering if Jonghyun’s head voice is better than junsu’s. Personally i think it is just from some performances that I saw but I’m not vocally trained enough to be sure. Thanks and love your work! Keep it up!

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      2. Jonghyuns placement in his mix isn’t as good as Junsus but in about every register, his vocal cord stretch is better than his só I would say his head voice is somewhat better yes.

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  2. Hey, I was watching this very recent performance and I think he did awesome. Imo he’s improved enough to be a bit higher than “competent” but I’m not the expert lol:

    Also, I think Onew improved a lot too and deserves to be higher:

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    1. Listen, I understand you’re a fan and that you really want them to be rated higher on here but I ask of you to just be happy that they’re rated as high as they are, which is generally actually quite high. Jonghyun is easily in the top 5 of the male idol vocalists. This Rainy Blue performance for Onew has been posted over and over and honestly, not only is it lip synched, it really shows nothing new at all for Onew, he is singing the same exact way he’s always sung. As for Jonghyun’s performance, if anything I’ve heard better performances of Jonghyun. This performance you posted again shows nothing new that would show improvement in anyway. He sounds the same technically which is actually a positive. Trust me, as a Shawol, we should be glad that they’re consistent and are not regressing in their technique but no, these videos do nothing to show improvement or to change their ratings at all. They’re singing the same exact way as always, so the ratings stay the same as do their positions and their vocal health, which are all positive things.

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      1. Vocal training doesn’t really have to do with knowing how to detect lip synching, you either are used to it and know what it sounds like or not. When I said lip synched maybe I meant dubbed but that audio doesn’t seem to belong to the video to me.

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      2. First, being a fan doesn’t have anything to do with my opinion here. I’m a fan but not delusional. For example, I wouldn’t dare to say that Minho and Key are good despite actually being my 2 favorites, but whenever I hear Onew and Jonghyun I DO think they’ve improved, since they’ve sounded way more struggling/strained before. Second, like the other person said, how do you know that performance is lip synched? He hasn’t even recorded that song in an studio or anything and people who went to that concert said it was completely live so I obviously believe what people that were actually there said. It’s a fact that both Onew and Jonghyun used to sound way more struggling (like, before Onew’s surgery and before Jonghyun’s car accident) and I’ve read that they had to take new vocal lessons and according to other people who know about vocal technique, they sound way better than before, more stable, less struggling, they project the voice much better, etc. You said that they haven’t improved or show any change but by that logic, I haven’t really heard anything “different” in Chen or Kyuhyun’s vocal techniques either yet you ranked them higher than they were before. Like if you compare Kyuhyun’s performances of their solo debut with their performances this year and I honestly don’t see the difference. I don’t particulary see a big improvement while I do see it with Onew/Jonghyun. And before you say “but I’m the professional one”. Yes, but I’ve seen plenty of “professionals” that admit how much they’ve improved in the recent year or so.

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      3. Okay, I don’t know what part of my comment has rubbed you off in the wrong way so I apologize for anything that I might have said that wasn’t right to you. I never called you delusional. If the song is or it’s not lip synched is first not supposed to be an attack to anybody and if it is or is not lip synched it still doesn’t really show anything new, perhaps not lip synched but dubbed is what I was hearing. If it’s not, that’s fine, I’m sorry if saying it was lip synched seemed like an attack. Kyuhyun hasn’t been rated higher..he’s in the same rating that he was before. I honestly think people worry too much about ratings and not enough about what the content of the analysis says. If you read the analysis and compare it to the criteria, you will see why each and everyone of them is rated in a certain way.

        You don’t hear a difference in Kyuhyun’s solo debut and the performances this year? Yeah no there isn’t, his rating hasn’t gone up since last year. He was in the same exact rating. Listen, I ask of you to calm down. Who do you think we are? We are not some stuck up snobs. We don’t use arguments “but I’m the professional one” here, we will use valid arguments to validate our points, not try to act like we are superior to you so whatever impression you got, I am sorry about it but please take the time to rethink it. You’re welcome to tell me exactly how they’ve improved but I listened to both videos and all I can hear is consistency, they’re consistently doing well vocally so they’re more consistently doing the best they’ve ever done, but apart from that there’s nothing that I can pinpoint that I haven’t heard from both Onew and Jonghyun before. So if you do hear something that you think, after reading the analyses, is new and should be added, please let us know.

        Also please I ask of you respect. I did not talk down to you so please don’t use the “professionals” admitting they’ve improved in the recent year because “professionals” say many things, that’s why Taeyang and Bom are in many Top 10 vocalists in K-pop ratings, because said “professionals” are music critics, producers and composers, not vocal instructors. (I understand the ones who said it might be vocal trainers, but let’s keep the point here, your own words, not someone else’s words.) Anyway tell me exactly how they’ve improved and how they should be rated according to your understanding of the criteria.

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      4. How are you so sure that people rating Taeyang and Bom aren’t “vocal instructors” though? I’ve seen rankings made by vocal trainers and maybe they have their own criteria to rank those two so high the same that you yourself have yours. You said that you don’t want to sound “stuck up” but you’re clearly putting your own opinion above and assuming that everyone not sharing your opinion is just a biased critic or whatever, when that’s not true. I also don’t understand why do you insist so much in that a vocalist need to do “something new” to be rated higher. Improvement is not only doing something new (I don’t even know what do you mean by that) so if someone has previously sounded more strained and struggling while they sound stable, non-struggling, powerful and clear now they’ve obviously improved. What is a vocalist supposed to do to be ranked higher then? Because again, Kyuhyun hasn’t done anything “new” from last year to this one yet he went from “good” to “good-to-great”. I’m comparing his performances from last year to this one, I’m watching his performances from his solo concert and I fail to see what’s that “something new” he has to be considered good-to-great now. He literally sounds the same and even worse sometimes than he sounded last year (you could say he’s tired, yes, but aren’t all idols overworked and tired anyway?). I don’t understand that if according to you Onew/Jonghyun are “consistently doing the best they’ve done”, they’re ranked in such mediocre categories while Kyuhyun that hasn’t particularly improved is ranked so high. I get it’s your own personal opinion, but other people are on their right to disagree and I don’t see how that’s “lack of respect”. I consider much more lack of respect starting with “I guess that you’re a fan” as if being a fan particulary meant that I disagree only /because/ I’m biased.
        And of course people care about rankings. Everyone likes their faves to be recognized, especially when they work hard for it. It’s similar how when you work hard for a exam, you obviously don’t want to get a mediocre C but an A.

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      5. Well because usually they say “a ranking from music critics, producers and composers” …I’ve yet to see a ranking that mentions them that actually says “ranked by vocal instructors” except maybe..one? I’m not sure to be honest. The criteria often used includes emotion and tone, which are simply taste and that shouldn’t be a criteria, at least in my own humble opinion. What we do isn’t rank things according to our taste, just according to what’s healthiest and most technically correct. We don’t rank what’s appealing or enjoyable like tone and emotion, those are personal opinions.

        I’m sorry that you feel I’m putting my opinion above everyone else’s, that was not my intention. What I mean by something new is exactly what you’re saying. I agree, improvement means sounding more stable, with less struggle and more powerful. That’s “new”, different than how they used to sound. Both of the songs you presented for them were within their supported ranges so it is understandable that they sound less strained in general. Of course if we compare them to 2008 ~ 2012 SHINee, yes obviously there has been a clear improvement. Since last year? The notes in which they strain are the same, the notes in which they support are the same, their sense of pitch is the same, the volume and power are about the same, the bad and good habits are about the same. If you feel that they didn’t strain or have moments of struggle in those songs it’s because the highest note in Rainy Blue is G#4 and the highest note in Jonghyun’s song was A4, both of which are within their supported ranges so that’s why I’m saying, nothing is new because we already knew they had those notes down. Jonghyun still has issues with straining above A4, jaw tension, tongue tension, uneven mixing. He still has issues with his lower range below C3. Onew still has issues with the consistency of his production of resonance, he still has issues with his mixed voice above G#4, so that’s why I say there’s nothing new because the same issues are still there. Do you get what I mean?

        Okay the issue with you using Kyuhyun is because the previous analysis for Kyuhyun lacked information and lacked accuracy. He has not improved, he was misrated. He was put in the wrong category, but there was no improvement, he was supposed to be in that category before already. I’m sorry but don’t use the word mediocre because we don’t use that word. Onew and Jonghyun are both ranked actually quite high. Maybe the word Competent doesn’t come off right to you but this is the definition we go by here:

        “(of a person) efficient and capable.
        “an infinitely competent mother of three”
        synonyms: capable, able, proficient, adept, adroit, accomplished, complete, skillful, skilled, credentialed, gifted, talented, expert;”

        So calling where both Onew and Jonghyun are “mediocre” is unfair to them and their effort. Their categories are some of the highest. Like I said before, Jonghyun is literally in the top 5 male idol vocalists, how that is mediocre I don’t understand. Again you’re looking at this completely the wrong way. Jonghyun and Onew are quite capable as vocalists but can you tell me exactly why they should be ranked higher, in technical terms and where they should be ranked? Honestly and seriously their rankings are actually actually pretty high. Literally if you’re ranked competent, you’re better than 80% of the rest of main and lead vocalists in K-pop, that’s mediocre to you? I view mediocre if one is rated “average”, because that’s what mediocre means, in the medium, in the borderline, in the average line. The word mediocre is a synonym for average and we have an average category and if you look at it, they’re both ranked considerably higher than that so can you understand why I don’t get why you’re upset? I’d be happy to have a group where all idols are considered competent, that’s hard. That doesn’t happen often, most vocalists are average hence why the word average is used because most everyone sings with the same level of ability as you. Jonghyun being in the top 5 coming off as mediocre to you really puzzles me, I’m sorry I really don’t understand.

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      6. Hi sorry to butt in. But what ahmin is saying is that Jonghyun hasn’t shown anything yet that make him qualified to be ranked higher than competent. See, in order for a tenor to be ranked good he need to be able to support at least around C3-Bb4, that is just one example of how this blog rates vocalists, therefore please check the about and Our Criteria first before you asked whether a vocalist’s rating should be changed.
        Do you have links of videos where he consistently support and/or resonate Bb4 or higher? Or even supporting below C3 (B2 or below)? If you can’t distinguish between supported/airy or supported/resonant/strained notes yet, you can link him the video of Jonghyun hitting those notes and Ahmin will identify it for you and if he was proven to improve/regress therefore the rating will be altered. 🙂

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      7. I really wonder if I came off as rude, but your reply is really good. I really did not mean to come off rudely, but I like the way you phrased your answer so thank you for the help!

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      8. haha no, you are not rude at all! 🙂
        I meant I saw these kind of questions quite often in the blog and yeah, actually it would have been really clear if the blog readers fully understand the criteria for rating first before questioning someone’s rating. The rating’s criteria you made was actually REALLY GOOD! It makes it really clear when you are rating a vocalist. I meant before this we didn’t really have a clear-cut criteria which is why a lot of vocalists were misrated.
        I meant some of the readers seem to misunderstood your intention of making this analysis in the first place 😦
        The analyzer (you in this case) was trying to answer some fans’ curiosity of kpop vocalist’s technique and it was never meant to be biased. And like always i have seen you upgrade/downgrade a rating before (like hyorin, chen etc) when there were proofs of improvements or decline.
        As always, good work!!! Don’t get disheartened!
        Hahaha

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      9. oh and speaking of kyuhyun, he was technically kind of been downgraded rather than upgraded. Not necessarily because he improved or regressed, but because he was misrated and his analysis was not really thorough like you said. Yes he was indeed rated as good before (zhx analysis), but on zhx analysis his supported range was A2 – C#5/Eb5, which according to the blog current criteria he should have been rated as great/excellent to excellent back then, while in the current analysis he was Bb2/B2 – B4/C5. So saying kyuhyun as an example of the vocalist who was upgraded is actually not true, hahaha. Chen is the one who is more fitted as an example of a vocalist whose rating was upgraded ! 😉

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      10. Thank you!! Yes thanks to pandayeu as well, we figure out a much more accurate way to rate and evaluate the technique of the vocalists in the blog! I wish people would take the time to read.

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      11. I don’t understand how someone can’t notice lip syncing since kpop idols never try to hide it. From what i’ve seen Kpop idols only lip sync when the dance choreography is too difficult to perform while singing&rapping. Westerners usually try to hide it though and there are youtube videos that explain how you can spot lip syncers. Also on a side note why does Mariah lip sync? She already has proven herself to be an amazing singer.

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      12. Yeah i heard she had vocal fold nodules. I don’t know how severe it is but with training she may be able to go back to slaying again. Gummy and Daesung did it and they are now well.

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  3. I really learn a lot from this blog not a
    only about vocal but also the attitude you guys show. Who can you guys so calm and patient to answer all the “unique questions”.

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    1. Well it’s like a classroom of new students, you have to understand not everybody knows the same as the rest so you have to explain things over as many times as it takes, like you do with students, Yknow?

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  4. Hello 🙂 I just want to confirm something.. Is jonghyun finally fix his tongue problem? Because he doesn’t sound froggy in this performance

    his part are at 0:40-0:50 and 2:47-2:52
    and I go to this video to compare

    at 0:49-0:59 and 2:56-3:02…
    he sounded much better in the recent performance, this performance too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehPWeLTl6DY
    I know its not a big deal, but is this count as improvement?
    thankyouuuu

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    1. 2:49 that G#4 wasn’t bad! 2:59 that G#4 was less well placed but again note bad. The tongue thing mostly happens in his higher notes, not the low notes or even his phrasing. It’s like a tongue + jaw position thing he does as he gets higher and sustains higher notes.

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  5. Wow I never knew Jonghyun was a better singer than half of the other singers you have placed on this site.

    What a COMPETENT singer Jonghyun is.

    SO MUCH sustained supported singing in this video, it blows my mind. No straining at all. cough cough

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    1. M’am, do we have a problem here? ._. Is the word “competent” insulting to you? Let give you the definition of the word:
      “(of a person) efficient and capable.
      “an infinitely competent mother of three”
      synonyms: capable, able, proficient, adept, adroit, accomplished, complete, skillful, skilled, credentialed, gifted, talented, expert; More”
      Expert, skillful, talented, credentialed, gifted, proficient, accomplished… Mhmm I fail to see how any of these words is incorrect.

      On top of it all, Jonghyun is literally in the Top 5 male idol vocalists. Is this offensive to you in anyway? I think you should check the criteria before you start attacking a vocalist based on 4 year old videos.

      Onto your video examples, in 왼손잡이야, he hits A4’s in the chorus “Nananana”, the second Na is an A4, it’s a bit too light in support and it sounds slightly shallow but again his supported range ends at A4 currently anyway. 1:51 that was not supported, C5’s. 2:30 onward strained C5’s. Do you see any mention of C5’s being in his supported range in this analysis? No? Oh, that’s right. It ain’t. 2:06 strained Bb4, 4 year old strained Bb4, again do you see any mention of Bb4 being in his supported range? Nope. 4 years ago, Bb4 wasn’t in his supported range. Let me remind you, aside from Ryeowook, Sandeul, Kyuhyun and occasionally Taemin, no idols show support up to Bb4. No male idols at all, so if you want to insult Jonghyun based on his Bb4’s and C5’s, please be fair and do so for every single other male idol who does not do well on Bb4 and above. I’m sure that would be a long list and it’d take you quite sometime. So if you have a problem with Jonghyun’s rating, please do explain why, based on recent videos, his rating is inaccurate. Nobody saying Jonghyun doesn’t strain, we’re all very aware he does and if you had read the analysis correctly, which I’m sure you didn’t, you’d know his strain was addressed in them.

      I like it how you use the word “sustained supported singing” …could you show me the parts where there’s sustained support? Do you know what sustained means?

      Here’s some “sustained supported singing” for you:

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      1. Idk why some people are always so pressed about Jonghyun (and lately about Taemin too) ? And the funniest thing is that some people base their statements either in old ass videos or purely subjective things like vocal tone, emotions, etc…Nobody is saying that they’re perfect but when someone who’s trained and expert in vocal technique like you says he’s competent is because he’s competent, idk the deal with that person. Something I rly like about you is that despite having your own faves you’ve always been pretty honest about their ranking and never tried to place them higher than they are so if that troll (or whatever) is trying to imply that you place Jonghyun as competent because of bias…just lol. They’re clearly pressed that he’s ranked higher than their own faves or something when honestly, if we search old videos of every kpop singer, we’ll find issues on literally everyone so idk their point??

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  6. More great resonant vocals from Jonghyun the COMPETENT singer.

    No lowering of larynx and pitch issues with unstable vibrato.
    No straining at all. WOW

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      1. The sarcasm is strong in this one xD. Anyway @Unimpressed, as the analysis shows, Jonghyun does have issues but overall, he is a competent vocalist according to the criteria of the blog. I’m sure we can do a statistical count of how many times lower ranked vocalists have more fails but that’s too ridiculuous and petty don’t you think?

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    1. Why are you trying SO HARD to downplay Jonghyun using videos from 5-6 years ago? Are you so bitter that he’s placed higher than your faves that you have to search old videos to discredit him and the people that are doing the analysis? If we search old videos we’ll find issues on literally EVERY singer so I don’t see your point? People on this blog are music/vocal graduates and they’ve said over and over again that they rate vocalists as they sound NOW, that’s why they constantly update the analysis. They’ve said many times that Jonghyun (and many others) weren’t that good when they began but they have improved considerably. Drink lots of water because you’re literally FULL of salt.

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      1. I was wondering, according to your personal taste, who’s voice do you prefer, Onew’s or Jonghyun’s?
        And did they improve at all after your analysis’s? And who would be your favourite male idol vocalists? Like some prefer D.O over Chen because his voice ‘apparently’ sounds better and nicer.

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      2. I don’t believe they’ve shown considerable enough improvement for any changes to happen to the analyses. I prefer DOs and Baekhyuns voices over Chens, but my favorite idol vocalist for guys is Onew. I actually really like Sungjaes and Changsubs voices too, I do like Onews voice more than Jonghyuns. However that’s just taste.

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    2. How low is your IQ? We have 2016 right now…and this video is from 2014…Jonghyun is an amzing vocalist and the fact that you support your opinion with old videos is really pitty…How about checking new videos?Before you start with your offensive comments,check out the most recent ones not the ones that were uploaded 2 YEARS ago -.- THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE

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  7. I wished ‘Y Si Fuera Ella’ was one of his best vocal performances. It wasn’t? I really loves it personally. I think his lower notes in the beginning were really nice. Could u analyze it? Thank u in advance 🙂

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    1. He actually doesn’t sing much below G3, there are a few passing E3’s or D3’s, but they’re really quick. He’s really not singing very low, there’s a quick C3 at 1:00 but that was not supported. 0:41 that small crescendo is nice actually. Dynamically, this is a very nice performance actually. It sounds like this was a dubbed performance… but meh whatever, I’ll judge it as a studio performance lol 2:20 ish he has a few Bb4’s there or so. 2:37 another Bb4. So yeah anywhere that high, not a happy place for him. 3:35 strained. It’s a song that’s in a good range for his range overall but he’s had better performances, that were really live.

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  8. He is slightly lower than what I thought but still really good ❤
    I wanna ask something, please estimate the ranking for these female vocalists
    1. Supported range Bb3/B3 ~ Eb5/E5, very consistently resonant, good pitch and almost always sings within her supported range but have a very weak falsetto
    2. Supported range G#3 ~ D5/Eb5, not a smart vocalist I think she is a big strainer but had big resonance on C5/C#5 and below. Good and relaxed falsetto, on and off head voice moments. Her pitch is cute LOL

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    1. Probably Competent or Competent to Good. Her pitch is cute? Sounds Competent or Competent to Good…most likely more towards Competent or AA to Competent because of the pitch.

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      1. 1 sounds very much like Taemin and 2 is like Baekhyun but the female version. the accurateness is ridiculous lmao this kinda showed that male vocalists are underrated in comparison to the females….

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  9. Hi, I love your blog its awesome, thank u for taking time to do it.
    And, I have a question, the user in this two videos say that Jonghyun can hold 4 octaves, Its true or…? (If I had a mistake, sorry for my bad english Im from Venezuela so..)

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    1. That’s a mistranslation. In Korea 4옥타브 refers to the 6th octave of the piano so when he said he can hit 4 octave Do, he means C6. So no he doesn’t have a 4 octave range.

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  10. Hi, I was wondering, how often do you update your analysis? I always check on your site just to find more about singing and I have to admit that I’m starting to learn more and more everytime I read something, so thanks! But I am asking because 2015 was pretty intense for SHINee’s Jonghyun – two solo works and a group’s album. Is the update made because of progress of a singer or due to the time that has passed? Thank you in advance for answer and keep on doing your great job! 🙂

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    1. We update them whenever we notice a significant change in a vocalist, not everytime they make a comeback. Oftentimes people tell us so and so improved so much and send us videos and most of the time.. It’s the same. lol So only if there’s a change.. Positive or negative. We will keep working hard!

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      1. I meant the parts with resonance lol The verse of End of a Day sounds really nice, it’s a really pretty song~ 1:19 nice transition into his head voice. 2:51 that tongue thing he does needs to go, it’s very subtle there but it’s still happening. Really good pitch and good transitions. The chorus was nice 3:34 was nice, but the jaw position could be fixed. He could relax his jaw more. 3:54 again nice F#4. 4:05 there was support in the A4 but he was trying way too hard with his throat and then tension crept in. He could have relaxed a lot more for that.

        Skeleton Flower, hey this sounds pretty! Did I not already know this song? 11:11 those slower runs there, they are really nice. Wish he kept this up when the tempo speeds up. The song is nice, comfortable for him. He sounds nice when he sings in his head voice. I like his compositions.

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  11. Hi, I’m new here, I just came across this site yesterday.
    I wanted to than you for you amazing job, you must have put a lot of effort to evaluate singers like that.
    Since I’m just a passive listener and I don’t have any knowlege abou singing techniques, I find it wery fascinating, that someone has such a deep understanding of music.
    I have been creeping around this site for a few hours, and because I’m a shine fan, and especially Jonhyung’s, I wantd to post it here.
    You remaind me of MRJKPOP, a youtuber, thatcommentsabout the quality of the music (if you don’t know him and are interested, here is a link to his reaction/review to jjong’s Crazy – posting Jonghyun since I’m commenting here:

    Anyway, I just found a cover jjong made, and since I’m not sure what to think about it, I will just ask here 🙂

    Thank you for your hard work 🙂

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    1. Hi there! I’m glad you enjoy the analyses! ^ ^ Here’s what I said in the past about the Woman’s Work performance:
      “I think Maxxwell’s version still has a bit better placement and less airiness, but the difference in Jonghyun’s performance of 2011 and this year is great actually, he has improved a long way and every note below F5 shows consistency of pitch, control, it’s relaxed and it’s all done really nicely actually. His placement is less nasal and whiny and he sounds less tense and uncomfortable.” So it wasn’t bad at all! Also yeah I know of MRJKPOP, I can see the similarities in what we do to an extent haha He’s more about the music, not necessarily the vocal ability but it’s similar.

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      1. Thank you for your replay 🙂
        Sry to ask abou this song, I must have missed some comments, I didn’t realize you answered this question already.
        What I like about you (and mrjkpop) is your objectivity.
        I really love SHINee, jjong is my ultimate bias, so of course I want to hear how good they are and how jjong is the best vocalist in the world.
        But the truth is, that he is not. He has a lot of bad habitts and sometimes, I have no idea, what is he doing on the stage (just woke up? under hypnosis? alian attack?).
        I personally still enjoy his singing, but I like the objectivity.
        Thank you 🙂

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      1. Yeah, I actually wanted to ask about that. People say that he became really nasal and uses falsetto way too much. I’m not an expert on vocal technique at all (still have to read through your guides even though it’s been over 2 years since I’ve been lurking on this website heh heh) but it definitely sounds like his voice has changed.

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      2. Him using falsetto too much isn’t vocal decline, it’s a stylistic choice to do with his own musical choices in his solo releases. He’s not really nasal either. He’s just changed his style.

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  12. Does his head voice help the rating? Because if i compare with Ryeowook, his supported range only around Competent to Good so i think his head voice help him to Good. And Jonghyun’s supported range is already Competent, and i think it can be Competent to Good too with the head voice lol i hope you all understand what i mean hehehev . ___.v

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      1. So if it’s without the head voice, he’s just about Above Average to competent even his range already in competent? Wow

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      2. Again, this is not an RPG so it’s not that precise but yeah his mix is not that strong on A4. He doesn’t produce resonance nearly as consistently on A4’s compared to the other competent tenors.

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      1. Nooooo!
        I never thought Onew name would come out! LOL
        Okay serious questions, im a bit confused about resonant and mask placament when singing, both are good technique right? But I dont feel any vibration around my mask when I sing with resonant which mean I lift my soft palate so there are no nasality, any explanation?
        And does being resonant all the time is good? I feel like it sounds boring and emotionless.
        And any tips for practicing pitch accuracy?
        Last, what is your favourite recently realeased kpop music? There are alot comeback, Akmu, lee hi, jonghyun, tiffany and many more.
        Thanks!

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      2. Well I first said Jonghyun but then I was like mhmm. LOL Mask placement creates resonance, but you can be placed forward into the mask and not have enough openness to create resonance. It just means you could rely more on that placement and then open up better in your throat. Lifted soft palate is not the same as resonance, it just means not nasal. So you can be not nasal and not produce resonance, like Wendy most of the time. Resonant all the time? It depends, if you sing a song in one volume the whole time it’s not good, right? lol Resonance is a placement, not a volume output. You can produce small resonance and big resonance, it all depends on how you’re singing. Pitch accuracy? Get a keyboard, try to match pitch. Play random notes and try to sing it right away, even in higher octaves try to find the pitch in an octave that’s comfortable in your voice. (i.e. If you’re a baritone, you would play a C#7 on the piano but sing a C#4).
        Recently? I like Jessica’s album and Tiffany’s… AKMU’s is nice too.

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      3. Wow that concept blew me away. I’ve seen so many youtube video that indicating lifting soft palate means not nasal and also mean resonance in singing, or maybe im just misunderstood? So is it mean that you can get resonance even you nasal? Do you have any video link for the resonance thing like the clear explanation, example or practice? Sorry if i asked to much.
        Dunno but i feelbit disappointed with tiffany debut and not forget the lip sync moment tho, LOL
        Well, have you ever listened to DEAN? For me he sounds amazing, is he really good in term of vocalist? I know he is on list just want some short analysis.

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      4. No you can’t produce resonance while your nasal but a lifted soft palate won’t guarantee resonance being produced automatically. Have you seen my videos about nasality and about high notes? Dean is your typical RnB indie Kpop vocalist, lots of style and almost no technique. Very Crush, Zion.T, Jay Park and G.Soul.

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    1. Most of White T-Shirt should be fairly easy for him and he sounds comfortable throughout. 1:48 that sounded tight and flat. 2:37 those runs could’ve been better. 2:49 that part was flat too. The second video 0:37 those head voice moments were nice for the support aspect of it all 0:39 that sounded flat. Most of Jonghyun’s songs don’t focus on belting, they focus on a lot of head voice and a lot of smooth singing. That doesn’t challenge him much and there’s nothing major for me to talk about. He should just be careful with his pitch when jumping around.

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      1. yeah, i noticed that most of his solo stuff isn’t really challenging as he mostly focus on head voice/falsetto and it’s mostly a smooth type of singing. i wonder why he choose this style over something more powerful/risky? it’s a bit dissapointing tbh. i want to see him singing something that showcases more of his power vocals.

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      2. You should check out ‘Cocktail’ (09:27 – 12:09) from his recent album 😀
        I do think that song and ‘Moon’ (19:11 – 22:49) are total standouts from the whole album.
        (Can’t say much since these songs haven’t been performed live actually)
        What do you say?

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      3. Glad you enjoyed them.
        Anyway, I was surprised with the screaming(?) at 22:16 – 22:20 because it doesn’t sound like Jonghyun’s voice at all. Maybe something’s wrong with my ears. LOL
        If it was indeed his voice, would you care to explain how he did it?

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  13. Hi! I really enjoy your blog and the work you put into each analysis (I’ve been stalking your blog for a hour now haha)! I don’t know if you’ve seen this (and I don’t think you’ve done a vocal analysis for Key from Shinee yet but) what do you think about Jonghyun at 2:57 and 3:30 and for Key at 3:45? I was especially surprised by Key…I was not expecting that from him!

    I don’t have any knowledge with singing so I’d like to know what your opinion is about it. Thank you!

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    1. Hello there! I’m glad you’ve been reading up on our analyses and you’ve been enjoying your time here. Actually this is not the first time this question has been asked and most certainly not the last lol We will not analyze Key’s singing unfortunately but asking about SHINee on a SHINee analysis is perfectly fine. 2:57 that wasn’t that bad, but he seems to be out of breath a bit and has some jaw tension. The run wasn’t as precise as it could’ve been. 3:30 It’s a really mask placed head voice, pushed G#5. Key does the same note at 3:45 but then quickly goes up to A#5 at 3:48 but again, this is full of tension. Very strained, very tight, but high nonetheless. It’s hard to find any males who could sing this note well, so it’s not much of a surprise that there’s tension in this. It’s the highest note Key’s ever sung but not the highest note from a SHINee member.

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  14. you probably been aske this but i couldnt find it anywhere

    In stranger (link above) jongs note at 2:20 does have a difference of an octave right? did i word that correctly?

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  15. Hi! A while ago, I read that Jonghyun said in an interview that he was a “countertenor.” I’ve also seen a lot of people listing him as a soprano. Would you mind explaining to a complete newbie why he’s listed as a tenor rather than countertenor? (He can’t be a soprano because he’s male?) Thank you so much.

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    1. Well Mariah Carey once considered herself an “alto” in an interview, so many singers don’t actually know what they are. A soprano is a female, that’s right. A countertenor may refer to a male with an androgynous tone and a very high voice, or a male regardless of being tenor baritone or bass who can use their head voices well enough to sing female roles. Those are both descriptions that can be used in classical music but the terms are cloudy in contemporary music and we don’t feel comfortable using it for pop singers. So he is a tenor because he’s not truly androgynous nor is he able to use his head voice like a true soprano, but really it’s because it’s a term unfit for pop singing.

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  16. I’ve been browsing through this blog again (love the fact that you guys have been updating singers!) and I’m very grateful for all the work and analysis done on all the vocalists.

    I haven’t seen this video brought up in the comments above, so I was wondering about his musicality here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuuV6_bz9zI

    Particularly at 1:49 with the growl, and again at 1:53. His dynamics and phrasing, particularly at the rap section, are pretty well-done throughout, in my opinion. How was his singing at 2:12 and the subsequent runs afterward? Another run at 3:18.
    I’m curious just how much he made this song “his own” especially since he composed and wrote it himself, I feel like he truly brought the song to life compared to EXO’s version of it.

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    1. Yeah no I have never seen this video myself either. Thank you for your compliments. The growls were a bit much and he did them quite a bit throughout. He had a G2 at 1:20 smth, it wasn’t bad. The growls were tense and aggressive but he was going for that, it worked. The runs weren’t bad, 3:18 was a bit more scatty after the head voice G#5, right? He did well throughout but honestly I’m not familiar with EXO’s version.

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  17. Hi,
    I’m interested what do you thing abou JH’s singing abilities during his debut days. Like how would you rate him back then?
    I konw this is not an up-to-date question, I’m just interested, especially knowing how much better Taemin got. I’m just going through some old performances and I’m interested.
    Ang if you could bother, could you summarize this performance? It’s an old one too, I think it sound nasal, or mabye too low for him? Like too pushed back in his throat. I don’t know… but at the same time quite stable? Srry, I don’t konw the terminology.
    Thank you for your time.

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    1. Jonghyun always had a lot of tongue tension in his singing and it’s minimized a lot throughout the years. So back then maybe average or maybe above average? I’m not entirely sure, cause back when I analyzed him I didn’t really think of it. Taemin actually was easily a weak vocalist when he debuted, he could barely support his voice. Incomplete is the performance I had in mind when speaking of tongue tension. His sound was very much stuck in his throat back then actually, due to glottal tension. A good amount of it comes from having to sing in English.

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    1. There’s nothing lower than weak. lol I honestly don’t know where he would be rated, nothing higher than average is the only thing I’m sure of.

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  18. Hi again 🙂
    I just found a new version of Please don’t go.

    What do you think?
    Onew sound so good at the begining, even though I would say it’s still too low for him, but it still sounds lovely.
    Jonghyun high note aroun 2:50 is also good right?

    How high is this song placed? It makes me feel it is a very high placed song, but at the same time, during choruses like about 1:00 it does’n sound high (sorry if it does not make any sense, I don’t know how to write it in an understandable english :-D)

    Compared to the old version, they really got so much better, both of them.

    I need Jonghyun + Onew subunit for my life, they sound so good together 🙂

    Thank you 🙂

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    1. Someone asked about this performance the other day but they did send me a different link. It was recent nonetheless. I’ll give you the link and my breakdown:

      “The range for this song isn’t very challenging, for either Onew nor Jonghyun for the most. The chorus is around G4, where they both can sound just fine. Their pitch is very good here, their harmonies are good. I like it how in the first chorus Jonghyun sings the melody and Onew sings the lower harmony, then in the second chorus Onew sings the melody and Jonghyun then sings a higher harmony instead of a lower one. Dynamically and composition wise, that adds a lot of variation to the song. So the melody is 안 (G4) 돼 (F4) 요 (Eb4) 안 (G4) 돼 (F4) 요 (Eb4) 그 (G4) 렇 (F4) 게 (Eb4) 가 (G4) 지 (F4) 마 (Eb4) 요 (F4) which is a very simple melody. Onew’s harmony is Eb4 D4 C4 Eb4 D4 C4 Eb4 D4 C4 D4, but Jonghyun’s upper harmony is Bb4 Ab4 G4 Bb4 Ab4 G4 Bb4 Ab4 G4 Bb4 Ab4 G4 Bb4. So we can establish that the key they’re in has three flats and it’s therefore the key of Eb but the key center might be minor so I feel like they’re in the key of C minor. I may be wrong. Either way the harmony is basically Eb is the tonic, Bb is the fifth above and G is the third of the chord, so the first harmony is Jonghyun singing the third and Onew singing the tonic, the second harmony is Onew singing the third and Jonghyun singing the fifth. Anyway I’m going on a tangent. 2:45 That Ab4 for Onew sounded pretty nice actually. I’m happy to hear him doing well on his G#4/Ab4’s. 3:04 head voice, but Bb4’s are too high for him. 3:04 key change, up a semitone. 3:08 Now Onew is phrasing G#4’s, which are still pretty nice. 3:16 they’re giving the harmonies back and forth. Jonghyun is singing the tonic of the chord while Onew is singing the third, then going back and forth with that. I’m going on and on about the harmonies because the song is comfortable. 3:37 nice G#4 for Jonghyun 3:43 supported G#4 for Onew, the key is now E major. Anyway I hope this helped in anyway LOL I had too much fun figuring out the harmonies. lol”

      To answer your more specific questions, the song isn’t high for Onew cause he never takes the upper harmonies but for Jonghyun it has a few pretty high parts. Not that he can’t go higher, but high compared to how high he can support. The verse isn’t too low for Onew at all, he’s just being stylistic. 2:50 that was a inward placed head voice with support, could’ve been better but not bad. Ah is a hard vowel for pop singing when trying to place your head voice correctly. Bb4 to B4, not high at all. Your English is just fine dear. ^ ^

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  19. I know that this is Jonghyuns’s vocal analysis but Key doesn’t have one so I am asking you this here. I hope you don’t mind. He is singing lower right?Did he got a hind that he might be a baritone? 😛 And correct me if I am wrong but I hear a bit of resonance hear and there, it’s not live tho. What are your thoughts on the video generally? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB169XODYQ4

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    1. This is a baritone song so him singing this fits him quite well. It’s refreshing. 0:08 F#2 no tone but the A2’s were fine for the most part. Key is unable to produce resonance cause he is unable to support properly. His voice is mostly placed in his chest, throat and nose. He doesn’t allow for his throat to be fully relaxed, for his breath to take over and do most of the work. 0:48 that’s F#3 but he still sounds very much placed in his throat with no support. 0:52 throaty C#4’s, no support just his throat. 0:55’s D4’s as well, just in his throat. 1:09 throaty tight F#4’s. He mixes like a baritone surely, you can tell by how his mix sounds on G4’s and F#4’s. He has no true support.

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      1. I meant support,not resonance sorry.I thought I was hearing a little bit support,that’s why i was surprised cause I know from you that he can’t support. Thanks for your reply.I really hope he can improve as a vocalist,he has a really pleasant tone,for me atleast! Have a nice day 🙂

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  20. Hello, I am a reader of you thread, and I am learning so much from it, it has helped me improve my vocal technique a bit just by reading and understanding it.

    Btw, I have a recent short sample of Jonghyun singing karaoke with SHINee, maybe without interference of pitch correctors and other equipment, so can you pls watch it and reply whether it tells us something new or not?

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    1. He didn’t do anything out of the ordinary, his pitch was mostly fine save for a few runs. 2:30 the head voice production is good on the oo vowel, not the ah vowel and the run was pitchy after that. Aside from that, they all seemed normal. Onew needs to open up his vowels and drop his jaw, because that A4 would’ve been easier if he hadn’t kept his jaw so locked and closed.

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  21. What are your thoughts on jjong’s vocal techniques this in this repack? It seems to me that he’s singing has become somewhat smoother? like he’s not belting his notes anymore idk

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    1. Jonghyun has been mixing up to A4 with support, he always has actually. I’ve noticed him when he phrases up there, he can maintain support consistently but he just hasn’t been doing so with more openness and better placement, so he lacks resonance when he goes up higher, which is a pity. Jonghyun has opted for less belting and more head voice and smooth singing ever since his solo releases. Taemin’s placement tends to be better than Jonghyun’s actually. I didn’t know they released a repackage, I like this song actually! His A4’s could be more opened but they have support.

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  22. Hi! I’d just like to thankful I am for you making these analyses. Also, Im really sorry for some of the fans that went kinda delulu on you :P. I was just wondering off the top of your head if you were to rank key and minho would they be so bad you wouldn’t have a ranking for them or weak or sth else?

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  23. i’ve been really curious about his voice. He sounds very “soft” in 1of1, 0:31

    and he sounds so “rough” in https://youtu.be/w-xpVnrpOh0?t=1m54s 1:53 , it’s like he push so much with his throath. Even he sings the same lines or notes, he could sound both rough and smooth.

    What do you call for his “rough” vocals and “smooth” vocals in music term? And what happen to his voice for those both conditions? If he could sound smooth everytime i might like his voice tone as much onew but too bad it doesn’t come often.

    sorry my english is terrible XD

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    1. No no your English is perfectly fine! Oh no he is not pushing with his throat at all, the difference in how he sounds is to do with how heavy he is making his mixed voice. In the first one he’s very light, he’s using more head voice but in the other one he’s using more chest voice, which is why he sounds a bit thicker. So this is just different mixing technique, chestier or headier. ^ ^

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      1. ah thanks for your reply. So his chest voice is what annoys me the most, personally. I rarely hear any singers sound like that. Is it normal or he needs to project his head voice more often?
        And oh this, i like his light voice in this
        https://youtu.be/e7z38zMcAVg?t=2m57s , the chest voice is not too much

        yeah it’s because i never learn vocals properly and english is not my 1st language so i’m completely noob for vocal terms you said on your articles. I need to read again.

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      2. Honestly I am not sure the problem is his chest voice because many many vocalists are pretty chesty and the range which you gave me last time was very narrow and comfortable. He wasn’t singing that high. If he had tension and sang higher with more chest, he would have sounded unhealthy and strained his voice. So I think it may be a preference thing more so than anything.

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      3. Agree, it’s on his comfortable range but still sound like “that” and I guess it’s his habit (?). I hope he can remove that kind of singing but I doubt since it’s only my personal opinion and people seem fine with that lol.

        The similiar sound/singing style I’ve ever heard besides jonghyun, this girl:

        About 2:00 https://youtu.be/FG5TojxSFYs

        Thanks for replying, sorry to bother 😀

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      4. I guess what I do hear is slight tongue tension, in Jonghyun. It’s very subtle and it only happens when he sings with a bit of a thicker approach like what you noted, but it was mostly pretty relaxed. The girl you just showed has it a lot more prominent and I know plenty of vocalists with very prominent tongue tension issues.

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  24. Is there another vocalist, obviously there is but who would be comparable to jonghyuns lower register in terms of support, placement, control etc. and also comparable to jonghyuns upper register, also in terms of support, placement, control etc. Thanks!

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  25. Hi ahmin, gristly I would like to thank you and the rest of the team for these amazing vocal analysis. And not onto my question, between Jonghyun and ryeowook, who has a better head voice? And which one of these two has a better lower register? Thank you so much in advance

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    1. Do you really need to ask who has the better lower range? Cause I think that’s easily perceived by looking at their supported ranges, no? As for head voice, Ryeowook has stronger muscles but less pitch control so I’m not sure to be honest who would be better.

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      1. He does not have better control, I believe I just said that. Also Ryeowook has overall better support he IS the stronger vocalist of the two.

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  26. Hi ahmin! Does Jonghyun have a better head voice than Junsu, and if so in what areas? For example, control, pacement, openess, support. (I would’ve asked about their lower registers but in Junsu’s analysis, you said it was pretty weak.) Thanks in advance!

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    1. Well honestly I am not too sure. I think both of them have fairly light head voices without large resonance so…yeah. I’m sorry it’s been a long time for them and I haven’t heard Junsu’s head voice in a while, I would say they are pretty similar.

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  27. So does his head voice mean he is in the top 5 in terms of head voice? I looked at other male analysis’s to see if anyone could reach higher with support, but only Park Hyoshin, jung dongha, ryeowook, and naul could reach as high as him.

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  28. So I saw you saying in your twitter how much you suck in describing someones’s voice and only use colors to do so, I found it quite interesting and burned my brain trying to find the matching color for SHINee’s voices IoI I wanna see what you think of my thoughts:

    Onew – Caramel
    Jonghyun – Coffee
    Taemin – Cream
    Key – Orange
    Minho – something in the start of the blue escala

    I actually wanted to challenge you with the html code for the colors and make you guess for what member I gave each but I guess that would take too much of your time xD

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      1. Ikr, this was the best way I found to be more specific, also I suck at naming colors LOL So what colors/flavors or whatever do you think their voices have?

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      2. I agree with onew being caramel but then like… idk Taemin is like very light and boyish like a very baby blue to me and Key is rough so like a pumpkin orange and yeah I don’t know for sure lol

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  29. If you don’t mind, what note is this high note in Prism?

    I originally didn’t think too much of this note because I had assumed it would be part of the backing track since it is heavily edited in the studio version, but live performances surprised me a bit.

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    1. He sounds very relaxed and supported throughout the verse, he is pretty forward, connected and the tone production is very nice. I believe he’s singing this only a minor third below the Lee Hi key, so while she goes for C5’s in the chorus, he goes for A4’s. 2:07 he could’ve taken a better breath before this phrase, he was running out of air. His head voice is slightly airy for effect, but I’m glad so far he’s singing the choruses only with his head voice instead of trying to mix A4’s since I think that’s a bit too high to compare to her C5’s. I only hear very slight tongue blockage in his head voice but he sounds nice, dynamically he only used his head voice and didn’t grow in the song much, not nearly as much as the song originally would either.

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  30. Can someone please explain to me what Jonghyun is doing when he hits notes like his high note in Hitchhiking (an F5)? I assume it must be what you’d refer to as head/mix voice, yes?

    The note is at 3’25” in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRcy-QVKPzY . I don’t know whether he was actually singing it live (in which case I assume he, and all of them, were using live auto-tune), or whether he was just lip-syncing it, but I was surprised by how full this note was–not that shitty, nasally sound you get from rock singers like Axl Rose. Anyway, I thought, that can’t possibly be full voice, yet it sounded so full. I’m a bit uncertain as to what is actually meant by the term mix/head voice. Isn’t mix essentially a “hard” falsetto, reinforced with a bit of nasality? Sorry for the basic question.

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    1. No, a mix is not a hard falsetto nor head voice. A mix is not a head voice placed in the mask or nose, that’s just a mask placed head voice. lol A mix is more to do with the vocal cords, and the placement. It’s the muscles from chest and head voice working together. That F5 was a pushed high larynx strained mix. Was this what you were asking?

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      1. All right, thanks. So, you don’t think that F5 sounded good? Or do you just mean it was unhealthy? Also, what then is that shitty, nasally, Axl-Rose tone? Sorry, do you enjoy stomping out all these fires with all these noob questions?

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      2. I don’t listen to Axl-Rose, so I don’t know what you’re referring to. Subjectively speaking, it didn’t sound pleasing to me. Objectively speaking, it was strained and unhealthy. I’m sorry, but I’m not sure I understand your last question.

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      3. Haha, he’s the lead singer in Guns & Roses. I don’t listen to him either; I just use him as a reference sometimes. Plenty of classic hard rock singers and metal singers have a similarly nasal tone–be it “mix” or “head voice” or whatever. Based on your response, I’m inclined to think of it as the hardened falsetto / head voice that I mentioned, rather than mix voice. These terms–head, mix, falsetto–are so confusing because there doesn’t seem to be any consensus on exactly how they should be used, nor any acknowledgment of that ambiguity by those who claim it to be one way or another. Depending on who you ask, it seems that “head voice” could be either synonymous with “falsetto,” synonymous with “mix,” or distinct from both.
        Anyway, you must have high standards if you didn’t think that was a good note. Perhaps just a bit too piercing for you?
        And with the “noob questions” comment, I was just apologizing for having you respond to very basic questions. Obviously, your participation in voluntary, but still.
        Also, you should definitely give Axl Rose a listen, just for the sake of knowing and then telling yourself not to listen to him again. But then, if you have, by some strange luck, gone through your entire life without ever hearing Guns & Roses, you must have lived it under a rock.

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      4. Oh no, I know of him. I just don’t listen to him. No, it’s not about high standards. It was a strained note, with a closed throat and a high larynx. It wasn’t a well executed note, it wasn’t good, it was high and that is all. A good note would mean a healthy note, and that wasn’t healthy. And no, it was a mixed voice. It wasn’t a head voice register placed in the mask, the muscles working were both the CT and TA muscles at the same time producing the mixed with a high larynx and mask placement. A mask placed head voice would sound like it’s part of the head voice register and yes some people could it mean it as such but unless you can describe exactly what the muscles are doing so that I know what your definition of it is, then I would have to disagree because that wasn’t pure CT muscle working there, so it wasn’t falsetto and it was a very even ratio of muscle usage, too even to be purely the head register. Oh your questions aren’t basic, they’re quite elaborate and curious and I respect that entirely.

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      5. Oh, thank you. Your answers are always interesting; the mix voice makes more sense to me now. Sorry, I didn’t mean to confuse you: when I referred to the “hardened falsetto,” I was referring to rock singers, not Jonghyun.

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      6. Oh I know you meant that but most of the time rock singers mix as well, like Norazo’s Lee Hyuk. He is not using head voice, he is using a mixed voice for sure. Bu then again that’s from what I know of most rock singers that I’ve heard, but then I don’t listen to them often so if they turn out to be using head voice as well sometimes, I probably wouldn’t know then. lol

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  31. Hey guys, it seems that you guys have noticed that Jonghyun’s solo songs are sung in a very “soft” manner. I think we should add to the fact that with this style of singing, he is very breathy and at times at the end of his phrases he does not even support. Is this intentionally bad or is it becausd his breathy doesn’t not go well with correct technique? He is a formidable belter and his chest, mix and head do sound well supported when he’s singing cleanly, but when he sings his solo songs, he sounds more like he’s whispering

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    1. We should add? Who’s we? lol Breathiness kind of counters support in the essence of not connecting the vocal cords. But it’s done stylistically and he can support just as well when he needs to, so this isn’t an issue. Anything that’s done stylistically and on purpose is fine, as long as they can turn it on and off at will.

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      1. What? He can support those breathy notes ??? I get that he usually sings thel in his mix range but where did he support for example? I’ve only heard air and tone from him whenever he goes breathy, though the tone he produces is quite open and clear, not muffled and held back like the Weak singers

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      2. No, I didn’t say he can support the breathy notes. I said that he can support the same notes he sings with breathiness when he wants to, which shows the breathiness is a stylistic choice, not a technical flaw.

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  32. Hey Ahmin,

    Can you tell me what you think of duet songs in terms of harmony?

    I am asking because when I listen to Taeyeon and Jonghyun’s duo in breath, I like it a lot better than when she sing it with Chen. Is it because of Jonghyun’s voice/technique that made the difference? Or there just isnt good harmony when certain voices are sing together?

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    1. Some voices blend and suit each other more than others, subjectively speaking I would say. It’s kind of preference but there is a technique to knowing how to blend and how to match someone’s tone. If two people have very different tone qualities, their voices can clash so it depends. The most important thing first is people singing the correct notes, since harmonizing is like singing a chord with two or more voices. Then blending, pulling back the volume, matching the tone quality, placement and whatnot. And then the subjectivity of their voices being nice to listen to together or not.

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  33. Hi! First of all thank you for your hard work, this blog is really interesting! I sing and make lame kpop covers as a pastime but I’ve never taken proper singing lessons so it’s nice to read and learn about it through idols ~ for example today I learned that people can have trouble with singing a certain vowel, I always thought I was weird for struggling with the vowel U ahahah!
    SHINee is my favourite group so I’m glad they’re considered pretty good in terms of vocal abilities, especially Jonghyun which is my favourite member. I remember reading about him having nodules on his vocal chords (found it, it was on his radio program http://fyjjong.tumblr.com/post/132090299733/blue-night-radio-151029-to-a-listener) and I wonder if his ”switch” towards a softer/jazzy type of songs might also be caused by this fact. His voice still sounds nice so it mustn’t be that big of a deal, I just hope it doesn’t get worse. Something I noticed though is that his voice sounds a bit ”thinner” compared to some years ago, I don’t know if it’s the right term but I really can’t tell what it is, maybe just a different singing style? Could it also be because of over-use or even weight loss? Has anyone else noticed it or is it just me imagining things?
    (sorry for any mistakes, English is not my native language)

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    1. Oh no the vowel U is generally a problem for many many many people. lol Yeah see I think vocal nodules are nothing to be proud of because they come from abuse, one way or another and they can go away with rest but he needs to let them go. He does have strong vocal cords that can take abuse more than others. I personally don’t, my vocal cords get damaged more easily so I couldn’t handle the type of abuse he puts his vocal cords through. I think he just went for an easier and less intensive vocal style lately which just means he is branching out in genres, it doesn’t really mean he’s had regression vocally. I think it’s just style. Your English is fine, don’t worry! ^ ^

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    1. I think there’s tongue tension on the first head voice note at the end, the F5, but the Eb5 right after was a lot more relaxed. The placement is nice for both, the G#5 right after was a bit thinner and had a strained quality.

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  34. Hi ahmin, I’m curious about what you think about Jonghyun’s latest album, specifically the songs “where are you” and “let me out”? (totally not my favourite songs from the album)

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    1. What exactly are you asking? What do you mean what do I think? What do you want me to focus on? Also please provide links when asking about specific songs and/or performances.

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      1. Let Me Out:

        Where Are You:

        Aha, sorry, I don’t have any hard hitting vocal related questions but I just wanted to know if you liked his album or if you thought he improved vocally or did anything musically interesting with his new songs. Again, sorry if this is considered spam since I don’t think this is exactly related to the purpose of this blog. ^^

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      2. His C#3’s throughout Let Me Out in the verse are very nice, actually I really like this song. It’s kind of dark and cool. I love the beat. He’s been choosing to sing softly, he’s not been singing like powerful belted songs. His style is more pop, more about the overall production of the songs and all, they’re not like big ballads revolving around vocal ability so I haven’t noticed improvement in technique. Where Are You, love the lyrics in a weird way. lol

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  35. Hey ahmin, just had a quick question. Is Jonghyun’s head voice support up to G5 what put him at Proficient? Cuz I looked at the criteria and he seemed to be around AA to P since other than his head voice, his vocal ability seemed to be similar to Baekhyun.

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  36. Heyyy, just a quick question. I don’t know if it is just of what I have listened to Jonghyun, but is it bad that he is using his falsetto a lot instead of his head voice?

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    1. He is doing it for stylistic reasons and he has shown many times that he can use a head voice if he wants to, so there’s nothing necessarily wrong with it.

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  37. Hi, i really appreciate all these vocal analysis you’re doing. I’m sorry for being a bother, but i’m no vocal expert and i need an expert’s opinion haha. I know how annoying it can be when ppl sent you questions with videos tagged along side…and that’s exactly what i’m doing haha. So i chose very short videos that don’t surpass a minute.

    This is a very old, 26 sec video of Jonghyun singing tears.

    I really don’t know. Was it great? Was it terrible? When i first heard it, i was amazed, but then i started wondering if he straining his voice too much.

    In this 45 sec video, he did some high notes.

    To me, the high notes sound quite relaxed with technique(?) but his low notes sounded a bit breathy. Any thoughts?

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    1. Hey there. I’ve seen that video of Jonghyun before a long time ago. He is straining throughout, these are all notes in the fifth octave of the piano up to F5, which is insanely high and none of the tenors I know in K-pop can handle singing these notes without straining, even many sopranos struggle with it. So he is straining a lot, yes.
      The second video that you posted. He is trying to emulate Michael Jackson, which is not exactly the healthiest thing to do. His head voice notes, the G#5’s, they are not badly executed. A bit too much air, but not bad. 0:09 like a bit pinched, but not necessarily strained. 0:20 these notes aren’t low, they are also quite high, they’re A4’s, and pretty throaty but that’s because he was emulating Michael. 0:41 yeah the head voice isn’t bad, but this isn’t mixed like in Tears.

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